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Osborn F Enready · Jan 11, 2005, 04:43 pm

Its called thinning the herd, culling for result. If there are not explicit laws set forth to govern what is done with these results, how they are handled, how the privacy is handled, it is NOT LEGAL by default. This is not part of the prescribed process for criminal investigation.

They want to rule out those who are INNOCENT, instead of using evidence to find who is at FAULT.

**Pooeypants** · Jan 11, 2005, 04:49 pm

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Then you haven't been paying attention. I'm not a criminal. They will get my DNA and fingerprints when they get my guns. End of story. You guys want to be part of the criminal, corporate fascist slave state, so be it....Have fun.

What in the name of Satan? You've got this the wrong way round. Why on earth would you afraid of having your identity recorded? Have you got something to hide?

Dieval · Jan 11, 2005, 04:53 pm

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If there are not explicit laws set forth to govern what is done with these results, how they are handled, how the privacy is handled, it is NOT LEGAL by default.

Well, if you're so worried about it, why don't you check into that and see how it's being handled and post what you find here?

Lou Minotti · Jan 11, 2005, 04:54 pm

It's called freedom. And yes, I do have something top hide from a criminal, out-of-control, quasi world government. YOU have got this the wrong way around and THANKS to people like you this beast of a system gets more and more control by the minute.

**Pooeypants** · Jan 11, 2005, 04:58 pm

So do you have a better way to catch criminals? Something else that forensics can work with?

Osborn F Enready · Jan 11, 2005, 05:02 pm

Yes pooey, the Guidelines in the Constitution, which recognizes that all rights, including the right to privacy is guranteed. They have been catching criminals for years before DNA, and they will continue to do so, maybe just not in this case since the bumbling boobs, who are investigating can't do their job the right way.

Lou Minotti · Jan 11, 2005, 05:03 pm

The first step? Destroy the economic system that enables and creates crime. Forensics are great. My best friend help catch murderers at the body farm in TN. No problem with forensics. My only problem is pre-crime.

**Pooeypants** · Jan 11, 2005, 05:06 pm

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Yes pooey, the Guidelines in the Constitution, which recognizes that all rights, including the right to privacy is guranteed. They have been catching criminals for years before DNA, and they will continue to do so, maybe just not in this case since the bumbling boobs, who are investigating can't do their job the right way.

But now with genetics at hand we can increase certainty and perhaps the range of changes that can be solved. And what constitution are you talking about?

**Pooeypants** · Jan 11, 2005, 05:07 pm

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The first step? Destroy the economic system that enables and creates crime. Forensics are great. My best friend help catch murderers at the body farm in TN. No problem with forensics. My only problem is pre-crime.

Right, that's going to be cheap isn't it? First you'd have to take down the politicians who've got the corps lining their pockets and next you have to face these big corporations who own and control the system. Sure, when is this scheduled?

Lou Minotti · Jan 11, 2005, 05:21 pm

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Right, that's going to be cheap isn't it?

Cheap? It would pay for itself thousands of times over. My guess is the black market is worth what? 4,5, 6, 7 trillion. Who freaking knows. It's scheduled for whenever people decide to stop coddling evil. At least you'll admit the system exists.

Lou Minotti · Jan 11, 2005, 05:39 pm

Speak of the devil...
http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?s=2776926
and
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=4315

Ron Paul:

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"National ID cards are not proper in a free society," Paul stated. "This is America, not Soviet Russia. The federal government should never be allowed to demand papers from American citizens, and it certainly has no constitutional authority to do so."

"A national identification card, in whatever form it may take, will allow the federal government to inappropriately monitor the movements and transactions of every American," Paul continued. "History shows that governments inevitably use such power in harmful ways. The 9/11 commission, whose recommendations underlie this bill, has called for internal screening points where identification will be demanded. Domestic travel restrictions are the hallmark of authoritarian states, not free nations. It is just a matter of time until those who refuse to carry the new licenses will be denied the ability to drive or board an airplane."

"Nationalizing standards for drivers' licenses and birth certificates, and linking them together via a national database, creates a national ID system pure and simple. Proponents of the national ID understand that the public remains wary of the scheme, so they attempt to claim they're merely creating new standards for existing state IDs. Nonsense! This legislation imposes federal standards in a federal bill, and it creates a federalized ID regardless of whether the ID itself is still stamped with the name of your state."

"Those who are willing to allow the government to establish a Soviet-style internal passport system because they think it will make us safer are terribly mistaken," Paul concluded. "Subjecting every citizen to surveillance and screening points actually will make us less safe, not in the least because it will divert resources away from tracking and apprehending terrorists and deploy them against innocent Americans! Every conservative who believes in constitutional restraints on government should reject the authoritarian national ID card and the nonsensical intelligence bill itself."

Thank you, Congressman Paul.

Dieval · Jan 11, 2005, 06:21 pm

Why does it sound like some people here might be future criminals and are worried that a DNA database or a national ID card might help authorities track them down, in the future...? :p

Lou Minotti · Jan 11, 2005, 06:24 pm

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Why does it sound like blah, blah, blah...

Simple. You've been programmed to think that way. Nazi youth never had a problem showing their papers, either.

**Pooeypants** · Jan 11, 2005, 06:45 pm

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Why does it sound like some people here might be future criminals and are worried that a DNA database or a national ID card might help authorities track them down, in the future...? :p

Maybe they're just insecure. Who knows?

Lou Minotti · Jan 11, 2005, 06:47 pm

Or maybe they know a thing or two about history and simply don't like licking boots....

Lou Minotti · Jan 11, 2005, 06:50 pm

Interesting...a liberal and so-called conservative teaming up against someone advocating a true, Constitutional Republic. You guys have more in common than you think....

**Pooeypants** · Jan 11, 2005, 07:19 pm

Who says I'm a liberal?
I'm not teaming up with him but we do support a common concept.

Dieval · Jan 11, 2005, 07:24 pm

Someone sure does like to throw around labels....."Nazi", "Liberal", "Conservative".......

Osborn F Enready · Jan 11, 2005, 07:58 pm

Lou is right, he is pointing at both "parties" idea of globalism, world government, which entails STRIPPING the Constitution from this society. You both have been championing the concept in this debate.

I see your point Lou.

**Pooeypants** · Jan 11, 2005, 08:09 pm

What constitution? Bare in mind that our own one is unwritten...

Are you trying to say that this DNA profiling is some scheme towards 1984?

Jan 11, 2005, 04:43 pm	#61 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Its called thinning the herd, culling for result. If there are not explicit laws set forth to govern what is done with these results, how they are handled, how the privacy is handled, it is NOT LEGAL by default. This is not part of the prescribed process for criminal investigation. They want to rule out those who are INNOCENT, instead of using evidence to find who is at FAULT. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Jan 11, 2005, 04:58 pm	#65 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,609	So do you have a better way to catch criminals? Something else that forensics can work with? War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Jan 11, 2005, 05:02 pm	#66 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Yes pooey, the Guidelines in the Constitution, which recognizes that all rights, including the right to privacy is guranteed. They have been catching criminals for years before DNA, and they will continue to do so, maybe just not in this case since the bumbling boobs, who are investigating can't do their job the right way. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Jan 11, 2005, 06:21 pm	#72 (permalink) (top)
Dieval Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,969	Why does it sound like some people here might be future criminals and are worried that a DNA database or a national ID card might help authorities track them down, in the future...? :p "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill

Jan 11, 2005, 07:19 pm	#77 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,609	Who says I'm a liberal? I'm not teaming up with him but we do support a common concept. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Jan 11, 2005, 04:54 pm	#64 (permalink) (top)
Lou Minotti BANNED (Multiple usernames after another ban) Posts: 1,337	It's called freedom. And yes, I do have something top hide from a criminal, out-of-control, quasi world government. YOU have got this the wrong way around and THANKS to people like you this beast of a system gets more and more control by the minute.

Jan 11, 2005, 05:03 pm	#67 (permalink) (top)
Lou Minotti BANNED (Multiple usernames after another ban) Posts: 1,337	The first step? Destroy the economic system that enables and creates crime. Forensics are great. My best friend help catch murderers at the body farm in TN. No problem with forensics. My only problem is pre-crime.

Jan 11, 2005, 06:47 pm	#75 (permalink) (top)
Lou Minotti BANNED (Multiple usernames after another ban) Posts: 1,337	Or maybe they know a thing or two about history and simply don't like licking boots....

Jan 11, 2005, 06:50 pm	#76 (permalink) (top)
Lou Minotti BANNED (Multiple usernames after another ban) Posts: 1,337	Interesting...a liberal and so-called conservative teaming up against someone advocating a true, Constitutional Republic. You guys have more in common than you think....

Jan 11, 2005, 07:24 pm	#78 (permalink) (top)
Dieval Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,969	Someone sure does like to throw around labels....."Nazi", "Liberal", "Conservative"....... "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill

Jan 11, 2005, 07:58 pm	#79 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Lou is right, he is pointing at both "parties" idea of globalism, world government, which entails STRIPPING the Constitution from this society. You both have been championing the concept in this debate. I see your point Lou. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Jan 11, 2005, 08:09 pm	#80 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,609	What constitution? Bare in mind that our own one is unwritten... Are you trying to say that this DNA profiling is some scheme towards 1984? War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before