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tman_ndsu08 · Jan 7, 2005, 07:20 pm

Obviously yes.

For one there is a HUGE market out there for lots of women who can't keep their legs together but don't want to get pregnant.

For two, what right does the government have to deny it's own people something they demand if there is no data showing that it's unsafe?

The only way this doesn't happen is if God gets in the way like he usually does in the law making process.

Lou Minotti · Jan 7, 2005, 07:32 pm

What data do you need besides the fact that you are poisoning a human being in utero?

tman_ndsu08 · Jan 7, 2005, 07:54 pm

I believe the pill simply stops conception from happening.

IE, no it doesn't poison anything since nothing is there to be poisoned.

bishop · Jan 7, 2005, 08:07 pm

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What data do you need besides the fact that you are poisoning a humam being in utero?

poison? there isn't any poison, all the pill has are hormones that naturally occur within the woman's body. and, the pill doesn't even attack the egg! here's some help:

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/sex_relat...gafterpill.htm

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How does the postcoital pill work?

The hormones in the PCP may stop an egg from being released. Or they may stop a fertilised egg from implanting itself in the womb.

my opinion - if i'm not mistaken, only generic drugs can be sold over the counter. the reason being that patents require prescriptions. i could be wrong, though, so if someone knows, please correct me. if they are generic, however, yes, it should be sold over the counter. they don't seem to have crazy ingredients in them. nothing more than hormones.

RickSp · Jan 7, 2005, 08:17 pm

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What data do you need besides the fact that you are poisoning a human being in utero?

That is the issue. For those who believe the dogma that a fetus of any size and age is in fact a human being, then I guesss they shouldn't buy and/or use the pill. Personally, I find the phrase "human being in utero" to be less than reasonable. It is deeply personal choice, under any circumstances.

Lou Minotti · Jan 7, 2005, 08:22 pm

No, I stand corrected. It seems when I took sex ed (yes, i was raised catholic), there was some controversial pill that im pretty sure, killed the fetus. This "morning after pill" seems to merely block the conception. If a woman wants to put this crap in her body, so be it...

RickSp · Jan 7, 2005, 08:25 pm

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Quote by: bishop

my opinion - if i'm not mistaken, only generic drugs can be sold over the counter. the reason being that patents require prescriptions. i could be wrong, though, so if someone knows, please correct me. if they are generic, however, yes, it should be sold over the counter. they don't seem to have crazy ingredients in them. nothing more than hormones.

Generic or brand name has nothing to do with whether a drug is sold by prescription or over the counter. The company that develops a drug has the exclusive right to sell a drug for up to twenty years. After that the drug company retains rights to the brand name, but other drug companies may sell the same drug as a "generic".

Whether the drug is sold over the counter or by prescription is based on an FDA determination on the drug's safety and potential for abuse.

tman_ndsu08 · Jan 7, 2005, 08:52 pm

Right, and there is no data showing any negative saftey effects.

In fact, there is no debate from the medicine point of view, the case is closed.

The only point of view being taken into consideration is the religious groups trying to tell people how to live their lives.

BloodEagle · Jan 7, 2005, 09:02 pm

Even if they did decide to ban it there are plenty of herbs that are freely available that can produce a similar effect. I agree the only debate really seems to be by religeous fanatics or people that feel a baby is ababy as soon as the sperm butts heads with the egg. It is a deeply personal choice but the morning after pillis as common place as condoms in many respects. Are we going to argue about the millions of potential ives that get flushed down the toilet without a second thought?

bishop · Jan 7, 2005, 09:10 pm

thanks, rick.

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Are we going to argue about the millions of potential ives that get flushed down the toilet without a second thought?

personally, i can't say i really care about the potential lives lost. the hypocritical posture of the pro-life people has turned me into a cynnic. they supposedly care sooo much about fetuses, but then when it pops out into the real world, they could give a damn about it. suddenly, those same people who wanted to ensure that the fetus would develop into a human and be birthed - suddenly, they ignore the newborn and oppose measures like state funded daycare or healthcare. instead, the mother is blamed for what was most likely an accident.

the day that pro-lifers care for babies just as much as they do fetuses will be the day i begin to care about the potential lives flushed down the toilet.

BloodEagle · Jan 7, 2005, 09:38 pm

Biship lol inthat case in a sense i hope they never care cuz i am sure we would see a lot of people in the looney bin after demonstrating.

high Court Judge "You are charged with the spermslaughter of 1.2 million potential lives- how do you plead?"

"Guilty as hell your honour!"

**Chris** · Jan 7, 2005, 10:46 pm

Lou -you must be thinking of RU486.

Different than the morning after pill, which is essentially a high dose birth Control pill.

Jan 7, 2005, 07:20 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	Should the morning after pill be sold over the counter? Obviously yes. For one there is a HUGE market out there for lots of women who can't keep their legs together but don't want to get pregnant. For two, what right does the government have to deny it's own people something they demand if there is no data showing that it's unsafe? The only way this doesn't happen is if God gets in the way like he usually does in the law making process.

Jan 7, 2005, 10:46 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Chris Gamma-ray burst Location: Nashville Posts: 6,376	Lou -you must be thinking of RU486. Different than the morning after pill, which is essentially a high dose birth Control pill. I voted against the theocratic psychopaths Shared

Jan 7, 2005, 07:32 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Lou Minotti BANNED (Multiple usernames after another ban) Posts: 1,337	What data do you need besides the fact that you are poisoning a human being in utero?

Jan 7, 2005, 07:54 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	I believe the pill simply stops conception from happening. IE, no it doesn't poison anything since nothing is there to be poisoned.

Jan 7, 2005, 08:22 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Lou Minotti BANNED (Multiple usernames after another ban) Posts: 1,337	No, I stand corrected. It seems when I took sex ed (yes, i was raised catholic), there was some controversial pill that im pretty sure, killed the fetus. This "morning after pill" seems to merely block the conception. If a woman wants to put this crap in her body, so be it...

Jan 7, 2005, 08:52 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	Right, and there is no data showing any negative saftey effects. In fact, there is no debate from the medicine point of view, the case is closed. The only point of view being taken into consideration is the religious groups trying to tell people how to live their lives.

Jan 7, 2005, 09:02 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
BloodEagle Molten Ash Posts: 103	Even if they did decide to ban it there are plenty of herbs that are freely available that can produce a similar effect. I agree the only debate really seems to be by religeous fanatics or people that feel a baby is ababy as soon as the sperm butts heads with the egg. It is a deeply personal choice but the morning after pillis as common place as condoms in many respects. Are we going to argue about the millions of potential ives that get flushed down the toilet without a second thought?

Jan 7, 2005, 09:38 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
BloodEagle Molten Ash Posts: 103	Biship lol inthat case in a sense i hope they never care cuz i am sure we would see a lot of people in the looney bin after demonstrating. high Court Judge "You are charged with the spermslaughter of 1.2 million potential lives- how do you plead?" "Guilty as hell your honour!"