Barbara Boxer: Spine of Steel

[PatrickHenry]

Senator Boxer was the only Senator with the backbone to vote against certifying the fraudulent Ohio vote. The other Democrat Senators are worthless and faithless when the chips are down. I wouldn't want them in my trench. Unfortunately they represent my state...

Senator Boxer will likely be targeted, but since she has just been re-elected she can go for six years before the question is put again to her constituents in California. I do not support her liberal stands on the issues, but challenging the power structure is a big plus in my book.

The Congressional Black Caucus supported the measure offered by Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, at least in large measure. Were there any black reps who opposed it? Who were the white Democratic Reps who supported the resolution not to certify the Ohio electors?

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...98.htm&sc=1153

[Technosoul]

Are you ready for Barbara Boxer to run for President next time around? (or for Vice President on the Democratic ticket?)

I wonder what she thinks about the new State of the State speech Aronald just gave in her home state? He is going to terminate about 100 of the over-site commissions and departments in the state government - in effect giving our state a crew cut at the top instead of just at the bottom. No Governor has ever done this before that I know of, he is hacking away at a lot of the departments that manage things but that could be consolidated under some other office or just dropped as being useless bagage (his opinion). Most voters might say "it's about time" we trim back the complexity of so many governmental departments. Not sure if the Democrats will vote to act on his ideas, but he is not depending on them anymore to be non-parisan, if the Democrats (speical interest group) votes no he said he would go over their heads and take it to the voters with a special election event - and do so after spending a lot on TV ads to promote his agenda. (at the moment I cannot go on the internet but perhaps tomorrow I will post his webpage with his new ideas he outlined in his speech.

He also is changing things for teachers (again). Promotions and raises in pay will be given to those teachers who show merit by actually improving the education of the kids (test results?) and not just because they have worked longer for a school district. And so a new teacher who is getting good results could move up the ladder faster then older teachers who have been employed for a longer time by the school.

At least Arnold is not a do-nothing Governor.

Technosoul

[PatrickHenry]

Technosoul, got anything more to say about the vote certification or Senator Boxer? It's not really right to drop one line on topic and then proceed with a long post on something completely different. Just start another thread, okay? I am trying to get something going here...

[Osborn F Enready]

Pat, I not only commend Boxer, but I commend all that stood today and refused to let this go un-noticed. There were many people there from the Republican party today, who totally attempted to shift the point of objection to any other topic under the sun. I commend C-Span for actually giving us great coverage, and no overtoning moderator (to explain it to us common folks) as the other so-called news services do.

The one thing that irritated me, and it may be that I missed, but I don't think I did....

All of the republicans stood up to say how that was not the correct forum for addressing these issues, and not one person made a counter-argument for a updated channel for the public to DEMAND redress of public grievance BY THE PEOPLE, to the system. Did I miss this, or was it not brought up?

Overall though, I commend all who participated and backed the outcry and demand for justice and reform of the voting system. Now we can only hope they will carry through and set dates for true talks, debate and public forum discussions to start the revision before the next national election.

[PatrickHenry]

Heroic white people, willing to stand up to insipid Democratic leadership and Republican sponsored fraud:
Lane Evans, of Illinois voted yes.

Sam Farr, of California.
http://www.farr.house.gov/issues2.cfm?id=9949

Bob Filner, of California.

Raul Grijalva, of Arizona.

Maurice Hinchey, of New York.

Dennis Kucinich, of Ohio.

Ed Markey, from Massachusetts.

John Olver, of Massachusetts.

Frank Pallone, of New Jersey.

Jan Schakowsky, of Illinois.

[PatrickHenry]

And last, I couldn't get her in the previous post(too many images)
Lynn Woolsey, from California.

[gr8fuldaniel]

The only Democrat Senator with stones. I am ashamed of John Kerry. Barak Obama didnt show up, nor Hillary Clinton, I hope everyone remembers this day if she tries to climb to the top spot.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Heres how the Senate Voted today

Heres how the House voted today

[Spartacus]

If Ohio's elections are run like this, think of the fun we are going to see in a few weeks in Iraq. At least the Ukrainians did the right thing even if we could not.

[Nono]

There was never any question that the House and Senate were going to vote to certify the election ("Hey, no kidding Nono -- You got a PhD in political science or something?"), but at least this is the second time that Bush will be president by virtue of another branch of government, rather than the will of the voters. The first time it was his dad's Supreme Court, this time by his suspiciously-elected Congress.
So much for political capital, eh?

[gr8fuldaniel]

I dont understand how the Republicans won the debate and why Dems didnt stand in defiance against the Bush Death Machine. Dont our representatives have a responibility to fight for our right to vote? Why did they lay down? They remind me of a muzzled or toothless, yapping puppy. The Democratic party should never be trusted with our vote ever again, unless we secede from the union.

[PatrickHenry]

Heh, Boxer used euphemisms to tell Condi what a liar she is. TO HER FACE!
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/...&w=RTR&coview=

Rice insisted it was right to invade Iraq and steadfastly defended as sufficient the U.S. troop levels after President Saddam Hussein was toppled, even though a tenacious insurgency quickly took root. The New York Times in an editorial on Wednesday criticized Rice for failing to acknowledge mistakes in Iraq, and worried that her unwillingness to change strategy there meant she would simply try to "sell flawed American foreign policy" abroad. "Rice acted as if things were going according to plan in Iraq and everywhere else," the newspaper said. "What the country needs is not better spin, but a secretary of state who can recognize what has gone wrong and use her access to the president to help steer a more rational course," it added. In the most heated exchange, California Democrat Sen. Barbara Boxer all but accused Rice of lying to argue the case for war. "I personally believe ... that your loyalty to the mission you were given, to sell this war, overwhelmed your respect for the truth," Boxer told Rice, citing statements about how fast former dictator Saddam Hussein might acquire a nuclear weapon. Rice responded: "I have never, ever, lost respect for the truth in the service of anything. Her voice appearing to quaver with emotion as she looked directly at Boxer, she repeatedly asked the senator not to question her integrity.

[bishop]

shit.. boxer would've made a better candidate than kerry.

out of all the people questioning rice, boxer was the only truly believable one. i like joe biden, but after paying rice lip service, he ended up voting for her as well.

[The Dunedan]

I truly cannot stand Boxer. She's a Socialistic, gun-grabbing, tax-and-spend Statist bitch.
However, that said, I must commend and congradulate her for having the spine to stand up and question this vote and question the nomination of Condi Rice.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Senator Boxer was the only Senator with the backbone to vote against certifying the fraudulent Ohio vote. The other Democrat Senators are worthless and faithless when the chips are down. I wouldn't want them in my trench. Unfortunately they represent my state...

I do not pay much attention of the party's shades a politician represents.
(Look how manipulative it has deeply settled into people's mind, and it seems pointing that people can not live without such distinction as a "party". A political party does not create, shape, build, ect. a state. People do it, regardless of a party membership. Without those people's support, that party does not exist.
Those political representatives manipulate people - with all the mass media support - and will keep imprinting into people's mind the importance of party membership. That is a good political trick, but I have already passed a kindergarden and such political manouvers have "zero" influence on me. That is why I do not care a political party and/or its representative(s), but its actions, decisions, ect. with the outcomes as the final result that may appear tomorrow, having an impact on us all).

Somehow I sympathize with people who feel "betrayed" by their representatives. However, that is politics. As long as a system stays in its fundaments it will continue, unless a new and better solution replaces it. That is the way a system works.

B. Boxer is a piteous political figure.
A plain political moron, in my opinion. She is good for Labor Union representative, while its is on strike. That is not enough in politics.
A politician should (and ought to) care for its state, but being on a public forum (during a televized political debate) her stance reminded me a person who wants answers to :
- why 1 + 1 makes 2 ?

C. Rice just blew her out.
B. Boxer seemed to forget that there are political subjects that can not be addressed publically, due to the state's security and political reasons.
"The best" part ?
B. Boxer used press releases to support her claims.
That is really piteous, and indicates that B. Boxer has no access to the state's more sensitive and vital inforamations. Thanks God she does not (have that type of clearence). Otherwise, our enemies would not need to recruit and/or send spies against U.S., but turning TV-set on and listen to B. Boxer would be good enough and bring "the best results".

[Catch 22]

Eh boxer doesn't do much for me. I get the creeping feeling that she did this just for the boost it'd give her base. It’s not as if she voted against the patriot act or anything. now the real hero of this sotry is david cobb, presidential canddiate for the green party who financed this whole ohio recount thing and got it off the ground.

[Comrade]

Barbara Boxer is a hack. Its pretty funny that you would think that her vote has anything to do with being "honest." Then again, it was contre Bushitler.

I was wondering how you all were doing, with Bush's re-election and all, you must be terrified to death/stoned. Not really suprised that you consider the Ohio vote fraudulent. Does anyone remember when I predicted that you would say Bush lost, especially if he won?

Maybe we can get him elected to a third term, y'all would need (additional) therapy.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Its about time a couple of Democrats stood up to these murderers. This is an interesting point Boxer brings up:

Quote by: Barbara Boxer, newyorktimes "The fact is we've lost so many lives over it," she said. "So if we do get a little testy on the point, and I admit to be so, it's because it continues day in and day out, and 25 percent of the dead are from California. We cannot forget. We cannot forget that."

What the fuck? 1 out of every 4 who die in Iraq are Californians? Are they thinning out the population of the most Democratic state for political capital? That would make them evil in anyones book. I say we all join in prayer that God bring a plague on the Republicans in power, that 1/4 of them should become seriously ill until they repent.
Thank God for B. Boxer calling a spade a spade. Boxer used Rices own words to condemn her.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Comrade, Barbara Boxer is a hack. Its pretty funny that you would think that her vote has anything to do with being "honest." Then again, it was contre Bushitler.

IMO, it has EVERYTHING to do with HONESTY

After admitting she voted for going after OBL, and breaking the back of alQaida, Barbara Boxer quoted Peter Bergen in the Rice Confirmation Hearing:

Quote by: Peter Bergen, He wrote: What we have done in Iraq is what bin Laden could not have hoped for in his wildest dreams: We invaded an oil-rich Muslim nation in the heart of the Middle East, the very type of imperial adventure that bin Laden has long predicted was the United States' long-term goal in the region. We deposed the secular socialist Saddam, whom bin Laden has long despised, ignited Sunni and Shia fundamentalist fervor in Iraq, and have now provoked a “defensive” jihad that has galvanized jihad-minded Muslims around the world. It's hard to imagine a set of policies better designed to sabotage the war on terrorism.

So it looks like our National Security Adviser is in cahoots with bin Laden. Thats just great!
Whose side is Condi on?
Traitor!
Condi has impugned her own character and should be considered an enemy of the state. Not Promoted.

Boxer also made the point (I will have to paraphrase, for now): It would be different to lie if you were selling can openers, but "people are DEAD and DYING"

I would say honesty matters when you have to explain why they are killing our kids, dont you?

[Comrade]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Its about time a couple of Democrats stood up to these murderers. This is an interesting point Boxer brings up:What the fuck? 1 out of every 4 who die in Iraq are Californians? Are they thinning out the population of the most Democratic state for political capital? That would make them evil in anyones book. I say we all join in prayer that God bring a plague on the Republicans in power, that 1/4 of them should become seriously ill until they repent. Thank God for B. Boxer calling a spade a spade. Boxer used Rices own words to condemn her.

Yes, gr8ful, that's exactly what they're doing. The Jews/neocons/Bushitler coroporate oligarchy is deliberately recruiting people from California and sending them to Iraq to die so that California will lose electoral votes.
This is even better than when Young said Bush caused Dale Earnheart to crash.