Should The United Nations Have Its Own Military?

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by bullshitdetector, Yes it is, the boy scouts have the same philosophy in a smaller context, it just doesn't invite child molesters into the campfire sing alongs to help things along, does it? Look at the UN and who is part of it.

You don't believe that by working together, we can peaceful change the way how other countries act? No nation is without "sin", there is no innocence, only degrees of guilt.

[Suburbanite]

Maybe they should just build a really big lazer beam in space.

[OberonDOtherseid]

Originally posted by Pooeypants,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pooeypants,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-bullshitdetector, Yes it is, the boy scouts have the same philosophy in a smaller context, it just doesn't invite child molesters into the campfire sing alongs to help things along, does it? Look at the UN and who is part of it.

You don't believe that by working together, we can peaceful change the way how other countries act? No nation is without "sin", there is no innocence, only degrees of guilt.[/b][/quote]

So you would say guys like Ossama and Saddam and Kim are just sinners who we can deal with? How come you people aren't so easy on any president this country has?

[Technosoul]

No, the U.N. should not have a military, the purpose of the U.N. was to encourage peace by talking - finding was to prevent wars with peace talks, treaties, or in some cases embargos and inspections. The purpose of the U.N. is not about becoming another superpower with the purposes of encourging war as the best solution.

Peace keeper not Bully.

[tusaki]

I do think the UN should have a military. One of the main reasons it is considered "ineffective" is that member nations, including the US, France, and Russia are unwilling to deploy troops for wars they don't feel they belong in. In other words, wars which they don't "get" anything from. A UN army in my eyes would be nothing more than a treaty legally binding the member states to send armies to areas the UN security council deems necissary. And the security council should get rid of the veto power too otherwise it would still be ineffective. This would never be a 'dictatorship' because that implies that 1 person or nation can decide what to attack, and will supress the oposition. But the structure, current or otherwise, of the UN doesn't allow for that. But all this is just wishfull thinking.. perhaps in a 100 years or so...

[Mr.Vicchio]

The UN gets an army?

Okay lets say they did. Where dop you get troops?

What if they initiate a draft?

What a dangerous, and bad idea.

[Nono]

Originally posted by Vic Where dop you get troops?

Why not try reading an existing post or two before you post?

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by fedfem, Should The United Nations Have Its Own Military?

It should, but it requires significant financial support. Since such financial aid in completely unreal (at least today), then that issue may be raised sometime in a future.

[Mr.Vicchio]

If the UN Had an army, I would be out signing petitions and getting a drive going to pull the USA out of the wanna be world government.

What a dangerous and stupid idea.

[bullshitdetector]

My thoughts were of the same, Mr V, I still don't see why anyone would want the likes of Kim, Saddam, Ossama and co. on their team when they can't stand their own president.

[Rainbow]

Mr.Vicchio / bullshitdetector

U.N. needs to undergo a re-structuraliization, first. It would take time, or never happen.

[Texans 4 Furors]

Originally posted by dalin, Any New World Order conspiracy theorists around? Seriously speaking, if the U.N. had military power of its own it would be able to better enforce rulings and decisions they make. However, it would become almost like a super-state, having sovereignty over all countries. edit: the U.N. uses the resources volunteered by its member nations when necessary.

The New World Order is not a theory. Both Bushes and Clinton used the term frequently. The UN was founded in order to end all national sovereignty and empower the financial/social/intellectual elite. Communism.

[Nono]

Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors The UN was founded in order to end all national sovereignty and empower the financial/social/intellectual elite. Communism.

Sources for such a flatly categorical statement?
So it was a joint Truman/Stalin/Churchill/Atlee plot, is that it?
How's its collectivist agenda progressing anyway? :)

It's true that the UN is supposed to serve as a framework for compliance with international law, which by definition limits national sovereignty.

[Texans 4 Furors]

How about George 41's speeches and actions regarding a "New World Order". And no it wasn't a joint plot. It was a unilateral decision made by the people that funded and coddled Truman/Stalin/Churchill/Atlee....as well and Mao, Hitler, Saddam, etc...


"We are moving toward a new world order, the world of communism. We shall never turn off that road."
Mikhail Gorbachev 1987

"Our nation is uniquely endowed to play a creative and decisive role in the new order which is taking form around us."
Henry Kissinger Seattle Post Intelligence 1975

Ultimately, our objective is to welcome the Soviet Union back into the world order.
Perhaps the world order of the future will truly be a family of nations."
President George Bush Texas A&M University 1989

"We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations a new world order, a world where the rule of law, not the rule of the jungle, governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful, and we will be, we have a real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible United Nations can use its peacekeeping role to fulfill the promise and vision of the U.N.'s founders."
President George Bush 1991

"For two centuries we've done the hard work of freedom. And tonight we lead the world in facing down a threat to decency and humanity. What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea - a new world order, where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind: peace and security, freedom, and the rule of law. Such is a world worthy of our struggle, and worthy of our children's future."
President George Bush State of the Union Address 1991

"We will succeed in the Gulf. And when we do, the world community will have sent an enduring warning to any dictator or despot, present or future, who contemplates outlaw aggression. The world can therefore seize this opportunity to fufill the long-held promise of a new world order - where brutality will go unrewarded, and aggression will meet collective resistance."
President George Bush State of the Union Address 1991

[Texans 4 Furors]

Originally posted by Nono, How's its collectivist agenda progressing anyway?

Well, they turned the last vestige of freedom into a welfare state in just over 50 years. I'd say they've done a pretty thorough job.

[Nono]

So Saddam was in on the founding of the UN. What that man didn't get his pinkies into!

Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors ... the last vestige of freedom ...

What? Denmark?

[Texans 4 Furors]

No, Saddam was created/funded/armed/coddled by the same people that own and created the UN.

And I wasn't referring to Denmark.

[Nono]

Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors I wasn't referring to Denmark.

OK. You spoke of "the last vestige of freedom" and I was racking my brains trying to figure out what that might be.

[Texans 4 Furors]

I was referring to The United States of America.

[rmnunez]

The UN as initially conceived was to have a Peacekeeping Force which was supposed to be under a unified military command under Joint Chiefs of Staff from each of the Permanent Security Council Members -the Cold war forced the scrubbing of those plans but the statutes were drafted and this could be reinstated given the will to do so in the Council (dubious).

No standing army was required, the Peacekeepers were to be drawn voluntarily from contributing governments who would in some cases defray UN dues. Contribution entitles the state to staff the JCS.

The UN should not have an armed force in light of what it has become.