New Idea for I.D. cards.

[Technosoul]

We have another post about the new national I.D. card that is under concideration.

But I just thought of one that we can use in our open society now that keeping things private has become an obsolete concept in the eyes of our Homeland Security thinkers.

A national I.D. card with a micro-chip gadget implanted in it that can be scanned by anyone who has a compatible computer scanner. I works like this, if you see someone you want information about you pull out your tiny scanner and point it at their wallet and by remote zapping you would get a read out of their personal data. Not just the basics like their name but also stuff that is useful. Example if you saw someone you might want to get a date with you could find out about them in just one zap - if they are married or not, if they have any medical records of having AIDs or some other problem you might not want to deal with, if they have a good job and a worthy bank account. What their political party and what religion they belong too. All stuff you need to know for a lasting relationship but might not want to come right out and ask in some bold move. This would also be handy when thinking about busness deals with someone, you could check their police records and busness backgrounds, what education your doctor really has, etc.
If you saw someone talking to your child you could do a fast zap of their card to see if they had a record of child molestation - that would be great for personal security because anyone within sight could be checked for past records of rape or violent activity. With a good remote zapper you could check out someone standing on the other side of your front door before opening it when they come knocking. Cool.

If you got nothing bad to hide you would not object to everyone having a security I.D. Card like this.

Instead of being forced to walk around among a world of strangers we could walk around well informed about them all, just like we knew them all personally. You could even tell if someone was an undercover cop.

This could save millions of dollars for companies and governmental locations that must have a special office for taking applications for future employment. They could just zap thier I.D. security card and download it into their computer and review it later on the monitor to pick which one to hire. Emergency response personel could zap the person's card fast like to get background medical status and if they got good insurance or not, and if they are visiting our country or were born here.

They can now do some of this by running the number off your dirving permit but only if you had a police record in the past - as well as your home status, true age, and marrage status.

So when a clerk wants to sell someone a bottle of wine or cigarettes they could have a zapper at the counter that would read out the age of the person. This could be the new thing for the future of our country. This would provide everyone with a feeling of security because they would know who is who with thier zappers. No more guess work. If you zap someone and nothing happens then you know they do not have a I.D. card and right away you would know that person was up to something sneaky and deceptive.

Security is knowledge, and fear is based on not knowing. Is it not time people should know one another a little better?

Whatcha' think?
Technosoul.

[The Black Flag]

Then, instead of cops having to drive around, the government could just install video screens in our homes, cars, offices, etc etc, so they could watch us all the time! YEAH! ...No.

I don't want you to know me. It's MY business. If you want to know about me, ask me. If they implemented this, I think i'd just not walk around with one. What if someone does have aids? Great! All the kids at school could find out, then they could be ridiculed, picked on, and ignored by their peers because of one tiny fuck up and their life could be ruined. You feel secure knowing you won't get any from someoen with aids, and they feel less than human. Let's just go ahead and tage them with a big red A on their chest, no?

Look, I'm not trying to piss you off or anything, but most of the ideas you seem to come up with just sound like someway to make everyones personal business public. What if I don't want you to know who I am? If someone sees that I'm not walking around with an I.D. card, that person is going to start saying stuff like I'm some sort of terrorist or something, but I'm not. Thanks for getting the cops on my back for no other reason than I don't know you and don't want you to know me.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." Safety and security from the anonymous boogy man versus my freedom and MY business...Wonder which one people will go for? I'll take my freedom to have my own personal business thank you very much.

[The Black Flag]

Just another quick thought: Bad guy who loves to burglarize homes decides he feels like choosing a suitable candidate. Hm, don't want to break into a home with guns or more then one person. Let's find out about some people. *does some scanning* Ah, this little old lady has a fat bank account, accute asthma, isn't married and doesn't appear to be a part of any gun club, BINGO! Catch my drift?

[Technosoul]

Let me ask it this way. If someone is really dangerous then should that danger remain his "personal busness" or is it a matter of public concern? Is AIDs dangerous or not for those who are dating and out to party around? Is it dangerous to buy something from a known con-artist? Is it dangerous to trust strangers to be whom they pretend to be? In the old days I grew up in a tiny town and everyone pretty much knew everyone else's busness as well as all thier "kirks" in behavior. Small towns have an active grapevine of information (some of it not all that dependable). This I.D. Card would simply expand that small town grapevine concept to the Big Bad City and anyplace else you might go on a vacation or something.

If you have a small circle of friends they pretty much know about everyone in that group, because personal stuff is hard to hide among close friendships. People can survive such knowledge about each other without it becoming like a scarlet letter. And I did not say anything about spy cameras in your bathroom or the rest of your house. (many offices already have cameras so the boss can monitor things in his company via the security personel).

Now I would also agree with your point of view, I am all for it but only if we remove all that is now in effect. No more driving permits and "age" would be personal busness. (that is the driving permit would only indicate you passed the driving test but could not be used for indentification purposes or for anyone to check up on your background or other personal stuff (like if you are married or not - unless you request that such data be added because it is useful in case of an accident). No more central collection of data by any homeland security people nor the FBI. No more posting names of child molesters. No more need to give your personal data when filling out an application for work or what country you were born in - hey... too personal!

So where do we draw the line between what should be only personal and what should be public information? Freedom is not about the freedom to hide behind our rights all our bad behavior, well, it could be but is that the real intent of those rights? Freedom is based on feeling secure so you can move around without having to worry about what someone else might do to destroy you happeness in life.

The line between personal secrets and the need for public awareness is blurred right now, time to debate what and where one should seperate the two or if we need to eliminate one to have the other?

So I stuck up this new idea (which by the way is not "in the works" as far as I know by any poltical agenda) to get the ball rolling. If public security is paramount then we could see someone with some authority coming up with such a thing like what I discribed as a "personal security card" and even make it a law to carry one or go to jail ( AKA - deported from mainstream culture).

What's in your closet ... er... wallet?

In the old days when you close the door to your house you had total privacy, no one would dare say what you cannot or cannot do, you could beat your kid or wife in the privacy of your house and that was just you own personal busness. No more. Any teacher could send the troops into your house and arrest you if they thought they had just cause that those private things were not right. And most would say that is a good thing, but it is a new thing, not something even dreamed about in the 1930s, nor even as late as the 1950s.

So should we fire Big Brother or welcome Big Brother as the defender of our personal security in exchange of not having personal secrets that have been documented.

Debate at will.
Technosoul.

[PatrickHenry]

It's a type of slavery. It is tyranny to propose and implement prying into everyone's privacy when they have done nothing wrong. Technosoul, you take the cake. Merry Christmas.

[Dieval]

Are you serious about this idea Tech?

[The Dunedan]

Once again, I reiterate my fallback position:
Chipping people is a horrible idea.
Attempting to chip ME is a SUICIDAL idea.

[Eulenspiegel]

1. Should this "Techno" actually this believe, have "Dangerous-Lunatic-Self-Identified". 2. If merely to "Provoke", subject-matter absurd. (No-One Beyond Mentally-Damaged or "Congenital-Slaves" would this "Chipping" accept)

[Starboy]

Quote by: Technosoul Example if you saw someone you might want to get a date with you could find out about them in just one zap - if they are married or not, if they have any medical records of having AIDs or some other problem you might not want to deal with, if they have a good job and a worthy bank account.

Or you could get a metal wallet.

Starboy

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Dieval Are you serious about this idea Tech?

Nope, I do not personally advocate any of that stuff because I like to remain anonymous as possible.

But I am sure others are serious and would like to put such a card into effect and so they are just waiting for the right moment, the right poltical environment where they could pull it off because most Americans have become totally passive and cannot "stop" anything that Washington might dream up.

Such a card perhaps would not change things a lot of things, any expert at being an identity theift could with ease find out all they want to know about you (to rob you) and so being they do it already I do not see how that would make things different as far as crime goes.

I am, however in this case playing the rold of "devil's advocate" by bringing up this idea about the some new type of I.D. card - partly because I have a notion that people could be planning something like this anyway so we might as well get prepared with a good legal debate that can prevent it from happening.

You know if you run a card you get from a bank some busnesses could tell a lot about you as far as your economic background is concerned, they have companies that keep track of you, bounce checks, credit ratings, income background (re: Preferred account) and so forth. Little icons they know that most people don't know about. Within a flash they can compute if your are rich or poor.

Now the Homeland Security Department is a-massing large files on just about anybody and perhaps everybody they happen to get information about and all that is part of the national network "electronic storage" center. They are even collect DNA samples when they can have reason to get away with doing that. All that data needs to be assigned some sort of national I.D. number - so the next logical thing is to assign a national I.D. card with that number on it.

And we can see that security is hampered by many of the "rights of privacy" rules that we had before 9-11 and those rights are slowly vanishing in favor of being able to capture potenial enemies of the establishment. Which is becoming the E-stablishment. Like E-mail, they will have a electronic stablishment (E.S.) which is otherwise known in part as our Homeland Security Department. Why? Simply because we got the tecnology to do it and so they will just have to make use of that technology because technology is the latest "in thing" (like E-voting machines and paying taxes on-line and so forth).

Now I do not know if they will have any governmental rules about the scanners and that might just be something sold on line for the gadget crowd to buy - they will say it is unlawful to use it for a crime but not unlawful to just have one. You can now go on-line and buy this gadget that the fire department uses which can instantly change a red light to green, they are for emergecny vehicle useage only but the seller on line ships them out to anyone without doing background checks or what have you. So now people get them to change lights so they can rush to work in their private cars (a fine if you get caught - but no one seems to ever gets caught).

Be back later with more (maybe).
Technosoul.

[tman_ndsu08]

If the market demands it, then it is so.