Who should manage the oil money in Irag?

[rmnunez]

(giuliano) the debate that exists over Iraq is more about the US's new doctrine of war than it is about concerns it may be taking more than its fair share of oil, which it is doing as well. France and Russia were in Iraq for the oil, but they didn't set up a global doctrine of pre-emptive war to justify it. This is what makes the US a special case.

This is inanity, you question a superpower’s capacity to establish global doctrine, or just the US’? What is meant by “global doctrine”, would this be like Colonial Mercantilism in West Indies, the notion of self-defence, that infamous Monroe Doctrine, Manifest Destiny, sustainable development, Containment or Domino Theory? The concept of pre-emptive war is established in international relations and has been exercised before, in fact it dates back to the US War with Britain in the Great Lakes. Maybe you think, in this instance, pre-emptive war was not justified, based on the evidence. Perhaps you might consider how things seemed then, before the gringoes scoured the place for WMDs.

(bs) I think we should forge on ahead and not listen to the mal-contented screed coming from the left and get it over and done. They'll never be happy no matter what is done so why pander anymore to the politics of it and just get the job done. Let the crybabies cry a river when the effort has been brought to fruition, the terrorists have been put in their place, and Iraq has the benefit of a new democracy.

I’d forecast more than just democracy in Iraq, this will be the case in at least Afghanistan as well, if all goes according to plan, the US will slip the Saudi oil choke-hold, we’ll get an end to international Islamic fundamentalist terrorism and democracy across the Middle East to boot.

[giuliano]

Quote by: rmnunez The concept of pre-emptive war is established in international relations and has been exercised before, in fact it dates back to the US War with Britain in the Great Lakes.

pre-emption is acceptable only when based on undeniable evidence that constitutes proof of a real threat. conservatives ridiculously use the post-war line "oh well we all thought saddam had WMD, let's not point fingers."

this was a controversial war from the get-go, don't try and pull the left into your artificial consensus. the bush doctrine of pre-emption has been shown to be a failure. but gettng back to my previous post, that assumes the stated reasons and justifications were genuine...

Quote by: rmnunez I’d forecast more than just democracy in Iraq, this will be the case in at least Afghanistan as well, if all goes according to plan, the US will slip the Saudi oil choke-hold, we’ll get an end to international Islamic fundamentalist terrorism and democracy across the Middle East to boot.

highly unlikely....

[rmnunez]

The 'Sheik' linked at the bottom of your postings advises Muslims to convert to Christianity to escape terrorism, I don't suppose that's an endorsement of his views, must be lefty humour.

[giuliano]

perhaps that is what muslims think these days?

[rmnunez]

I wouldn't know, maybe you do?