conservative vs. liberal

[Zhavric]

Quote by: fellvoice21 A conservative believes that people are essentially bad; a liberal believes people are essentially good. This explains socialism. Liberals believe a human will work out of compassion and ethics, even if he doesn't have any motivation; thus, we have communism. Conservatives realize man is lazy at heart, and thus advocates capitalism, which forces man to work for status and survival.

Meh... If you're wanting to address this abstractly, then yes I'd agree with most of it save the bit where conservatives believe that people are essentially bad.

In America, our federal government doesn't have many true conservatives remaining. Gone are the semi-libertarian conservatives who just want to be left alone by the government. Conservative in America right now means socially constraining and financially liberal. Financially, things aren't so good at the moment:

You have the dems: "Tax & spend".
You have the neo-cons: "Spend & don't tax."

The dems don't think you're generous enough with your money and the conservatives don't think you're moral enough.

We really need a change, but it's hard to govern given the set of circumstances we've established for ourselves.

[Osborn F Enready]

Liberal and Conservative are a "false choice" put forth by a bi-partisan team of one.

[samsara15]

I certainly don't think people are basically good, and I'm pretty Far Left. I believe people and unregulated capitalism are so bad that we need a government which will protect them from being exploited.

I hardly ever watch Television news, but think most newspapers are Conservative.

BTW, I think that the Conservatives under Bush have spemt my tax money generously on a war I and a lot of other people do not support. Whoever says Cons are any less tax and spend than Libs does not speak truly.

[Osborn F Enready]

Can I be more precise?

I want to clarify my opinion.

In 1850, there were liberals and conservatives. Now there are posers.

One party calls themselves democrats, and claim to be progressives, but seem to be more like communist leaning progressives based on gun control, theory of central government, centralization of powers, and lack of constitutional backing for most of their main arguments.

One party calls themselves republicans, and claims to be "conservatives", though their economic portfolio resembles nothing a conservative would have within 10 miles of their bankbooks, let alone their centralization of power and absolute trashing of the Constitution. They are in truth, corporatists who are trying to further remove citizen oversight and control of corporate charter.

Both are globalists.
Both are Pro to centralizing power.
Both support the unconstitutional "Executive Order" proclamation.
Both suppot the Federal Reserve and its "lack of oversight".
Both support the fascist styled police state.
Both support prohibition via force.
Both support the courts faulty rulings, knowing they ignore Constitutional Limitations.
Both support the lack of a secure border.(their globalists)
Both ignore the removal of the right of Congress, and Congress alone to make war, except under direct and dire threat.


Americans, you have been sold out by your own.

Stop buying into the "lesser of two evils theory".

Investigate the news corporate media feeds you with a smile.

Notice the bills being passed under the media radar.

Prepare to fight back, resist or deny government control over your private life, and refuse at all costs the "RFID" chip that will be coming with your name on it, most likely courtesy of your drivers license come 2008.

Stand up for your rights.

Do not bend to foreign, or domestic aggression against your will.





We can change this. End the 156 year bi-partisan monopoly on government, and again take responsibility for your life, labor and property.

[The American]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Can I be more precise? I want to clarify my opinion. In 1850, there were liberals and conservatives. Now there are posers. One party calls themselves democrats, and claim to be progressives, but seem to be more like communist leaning progressives based on gun control, theory of central government, centralization of powers, and lack of constitutional backing for most of their main arguments. One party calls themselves republicans, and claims to be "conservatives", though their economic portfolio resembles nothing a conservative would have within 10 miles of their bankbooks, let alone their centralization of power and absolute trashing of the Constitution. They are in truth, corporatists who are trying to further remove citizen oversight and control of corporate charter. Both are globalists. Both are Pro to centralizing power. Both support the unconstitutional "Executive Order" proclamation. Both suppot the Federal Reserve and its "lack of oversight". Both support the fascist styled police state. Both support prohibition via force. Both support the courts faulty rulings, knowing they ignore Constitutional Limitations. Both support the lack of a secure border.(their globalists) Both ignore the removal of the right of Congress, and Congress alone to make war, except under direct and dire threat. Americans, you have been sold out by your own. Stop buying into the "lesser of two evils theory". Investigate the news corporate media feeds you with a smile. Notice the bills being passed under the media radar. Prepare to fight back, resist or deny government control over your private life, and refuse at all costs the "RFID" chip that will be coming with your name on it, most likely courtesy of your drivers license come 2008. Stand up for your rights. Do not bend to foreign, or domestic aggression against your will. We can change this. End the 156 year bi-partisan monopoly on government, and again take responsibility for your life, labor and property.

Nice post. I pretty much tend to agree with you. Conservatives and liberals have changed throughout history. The political realm of those who occupy office, however tends to sway from time to time from its base. IE spending for example, this administration's failure to use the veto pen, or even allowing so many spending bills to make it that far does not pander to its base.

Catorgorizing humanity as good or bad has nothing it do with it as well. We find good as well as bad in people from all walks of life. We find corruption in religion, which is supposed to be relatively good, we find compassion in those who are columned as relatively bad, as an example, the Hezbos. To be even more precise, we find morality in some who are imprisoned for crimes against humanity, such as aggression against child molesters.

Trig.

[The American]

We may all agree, in diversity of issues, it is what basically seperates us.

Each taking its turn in politics, seems to swing issues like the ball of a pendulum. Pull it back so far one direction, it swings back the other direction just as far. When caught by the other side of issues, and pulled even tighter, it swings farther the other direction. Those who are independent, if they are not able to provide stability, are in for a heck of a ride.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: The American we find compassion in those who are columned as relatively bad, as an example, the Hezbos. .

Good point. You get a +1, your score is now a negative 2321
Ok, i know you mean "hezbollah" when you said hezbos, but thats just because my minds ear has given you a "southern" slack jawed yokel accent when i read your posts, so it was clear what you said. But for future reference, just try your best to spell out hezbollah. Even a Nice HAZBALLAH as most southerners pronounce it. or "The hezbullah". If for no other reason than to let others know what exactly youre talking about = )

[The American]

Google it. Come bck and give me another speloling lesson. If you have a hard time reading and comprehendinmg me, dolnt respond.

[Gods_Mercenary]

I would say that Conservatives are definitely less idealistic and more cynical when it comes to human beings, I don't know if they think humans are essentially bad though. conservatives are more open about manipulating people's passions tot their own advancement. Liberals do the same thing, they just like to tell themselves they aren't (mean, cynical Conservatives).

Case in point: Conservatives (Republicans, in this instance) in the US have done a good job of using key issues (gay rights, abortion) to appeal to the Christian right, it's what allowed them to hold on to the legislature for so long.
These politicians have never attempted to resolve these issues because they then lose that leverage with voters. This was, in my opinion, a concious strategy by the shot callers of the party.

Democrats (liberalish but not really) did the same thing with the Iraq war. In every race the war was brought up, and the democrat gained an advantage. The dems probably told themselves that they really were concerned about gettng out of Iraq, but if we do, they''ll lose one of their best tools.