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Osborn F Enready · Dec 16, 2004, 02:38 pm

Congress is finally addressed with someone sharing a perception common to many on this board, and though no rebuttal is shown, it is nice to see it being brought out on the floor.

Listen to this explanation of why many Americans don't "trust the government".
http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/timryanlow.html

Do you think they HEAR HIM NOW?

What's your take on this?

bishop · Dec 16, 2004, 03:01 pm

someone already posted this a month or so ago.

it's a good speech though.

Suburbanite · Dec 16, 2004, 03:15 pm

that is really a good speech

Milton Bradley · Dec 16, 2004, 04:26 pm

That felt like a Christmas present, or something. I enjoyed that very, very much.

gr8fuldaniel · Dec 16, 2004, 05:29 pm

Hes gotta be talking about the Draft. No?

The Iconoclast · Dec 16, 2004, 06:09 pm

Ahahahahha Made My Day!!!

Osborn F Enready · Dec 16, 2004, 06:30 pm

Glad you all enjoyed it as much as I did. I was not aware of its already being posted or I would have resurrected the old one.

The Black Flag · Dec 16, 2004, 11:16 pm

Wow, that was really really good. I actually enjoyed that. Thanks for posting it, again, or I would have never seen it.

Dieval · Dec 17, 2004, 01:09 am

Why does it look like the audio has been dubbed? :p

OberonDOtherseid · Dec 17, 2004, 01:12 am

Uh oh, don't try that, I got the boo boo lip and crocodile tear rant in the voter fraud thread for denouncing their beliefs. You might get told. "Stay out of topics you aren't interested in Champ". LOL...

Dieval · Dec 17, 2004, 01:28 am

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Quote by: OberonDOtherseid

Uh oh, don't try that, I got the boo boo lip and crocodile tear rant in the voter fraud thread for denouncing their beliefs. You might get told. "Stay out of topics you aren't interested in Champ". LOL...

Hahahaha.....I was just pointing it out...maybe be just a really crappy video - although the audio seemed crystal clear...hmmm..

Osborn F Enready · Dec 17, 2004, 02:07 am

Dieval, Oberon, you guys are carrying etiquette violations to other posts now I see? Now we want to derail this topic, because you and Sean had words.

You guys make me feel like I am back on the 6th grade playground again. You both had some nice one line, off topic, non-debate inspiring content. Thanks again.

All this thread is, is an example of one person, from the public, expressing his view to Congress. Dieval, if you feel it has been dubbed, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But you adding it here was just another attempt to discredit a topic of intrest and possible debate. You pointed out how it "may" or "may not" be dubbed, yet offer no reasoning as to why, or even finding out if it is publicly accessible. Nice attempt at a drive-by discredit.

Thank you, drive through......

Dieval · Dec 17, 2004, 02:18 am

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Quote by: Osborn F Enready

You pointed out how it "may" or "may not" be dubbed, yet offer no reasoning as to why

I offered a reason why..I said the video was REALLY crappy yet the audio was crystal clear... does that mean it was dubbed? no, but it's kind of fishy IMO...I just thought that you'd like to hear something other than a dozen yes-men agreeing with everything said....

Osborn F Enready · Dec 17, 2004, 02:32 am

Dieval said: I just thought that you'd like to hear something other than a dozen yes-men agreeing with everything said....

I say: I DO, I DO! I want someone to pick it apart, I want someone to prove to me he is wrong, IRREFUTABLY WRONG! I want someone to tell me I am wrong about all of the things I have uncovered, read, compiled, studied, and PROVE ME WRONG WITHOUT A DOUBT.

Unfortunately, nobody who holds that opinion has shown me, fact by fact, how I am wrong. Usually the most I can get is somewhat reasonable doubt on SOME issues.

There is an old saying, when the shoe fits wear it. I think the shoe fits pretty well on the fact that we have been consistently lied to by this administration, and the lack of accountability for it is STAGGERING.

If the Bush administration (republican party) and the Democrats believe in our rights, our liberty, our vote, and TRANSPARENCY OF THE SYSTEM they would be right there DEMANDING a recount.

Bush SHOULD be proclaiming " I dont want to win this election due to vote tampering or by some error in the voting system. I demand a clean vote, with a secured and protected paper trail for all votes, since that is the only way to insure a fair election in situations where a recount is in order."

Instead we get "-------------------------" NOTHING.
The major media won't cover it with investigative journalists, or on spot reporters even though a recount is being done officially now. There are sworn statements, witnesses, video evidence, and tons of circumstantial evidence. There is more evidence here than there was for both the O.J.and the Pederson trial combined. This crime doesn't only affect a couple citizens, it affects ALL citizens, so why is the media not covering this?

Once again, I only ask to be proven wrong, or have a logical case made for reasonable doubt to my proposed issues, theories, material or conclusions.

JohnLockeRocks · Dec 17, 2004, 02:44 am

Cool video. I wish Barbara Jordan and Henry B. Gonzalez were still around so we Texans could have voices like that in Congress...

Dieval · Dec 17, 2004, 02:49 am

I'm still not following what's to debate here. The bill this guy is talking about isn't mentioned anywhere in the thread, that I saw(if it was, sorry I missed it). The guy goes on a rant, stating his opinion about many different subjects.. What exactly are we trying to debating here?

Milton Bradley · Dec 17, 2004, 02:58 am

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Quote by: Dieval

I'm still not following what's to debate here. The bill this guy is talking about isn't mentioned anywhere in the thread, that I saw(if it was, sorry I missed it). The guy goes on a rant, stating his opinion about many different subjects.. What exactly are we trying to debating here?

I would say your "reality" vs our reality.

If you can truly watch that video, and imply that the speech has been modified to change the subject matter, I just won't know what to say. I can't imagine anybody saying something to that affect without thinking bad things about that person. Very bad things.

Suburbanite · Dec 17, 2004, 06:13 am

god that is such a fuckjing amazing speech i cant get over it. it is like he is about to slip up but he is just so embodied with hatred that his mind is clear. just one of the best speeches i've ever heard, to be honest. I hear Hitler was a good speaker but i dont know what he is saying. Bomb ass speech, I'd vote for this fucker on that alone, i think... eh probably not, but still, it would give him major kudos.

Suburbanite · Dec 17, 2004, 06:14 am

oh at that "reality" vs Reality was a great line too milton.

OberonDOtherseid · Dec 17, 2004, 07:29 am

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Quote by: Osboo

Dieval, Oberon, you guys are carrying etiquette violations to other posts now I see? Now we want to derail this topic, because you and Sean had words.

I don't know what you're talking about Osbo, there aren't any words on your thread, Sean wiped them all away last night...well, except your whining of course. You must be mistaken. Besides, as you said to me when you violated ettiquette, I am not infallible either.

Dec 16, 2004, 02:38 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Can You Hear Me Now?!? Congress is finally addressed with someone sharing a perception common to many on this board, and though no rebuttal is shown, it is nice to see it being brought out on the floor. Listen to this explanation of why many Americans don't "trust the government". http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/timryanlow.html Do you think they HEAR HIM NOW? What's your take on this? Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Dec 16, 2004, 03:01 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	someone already posted this a month or so ago. it's a good speech though. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Dec 16, 2004, 05:29 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
gr8fuldaniel Fire the Liars Location: California Posts: 7,090	Hes gotta be talking about the Draft. No? ~~ Helpful Linx * Huff Post * WRH * RAW STORY ~~

Dec 16, 2004, 06:30 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Glad you all enjoyed it as much as I did. I was not aware of its already being posted or I would have resurrected the old one. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Dec 16, 2004, 11:16 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
The Black Flag Molten Ash Location: thomaston, GA Posts: 132	Wow, that was really really good. I actually enjoyed that. Thanks for posting it, again, or I would have never seen it. Whenever citizens are seen routinely as enemies of their own government, writers are routinely seen to be the most dangerous enemies. --E.L. Doctorow

Dec 16, 2004, 03:15 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	that is really a good speech

Dec 16, 2004, 04:26 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	That felt like a Christmas present, or something. I enjoyed that very, very much.

Dec 16, 2004, 06:09 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
The Iconoclast Sedimentary Rock Posts: 16	Ahahahahha Made My Day!!!

Dec 17, 2004, 01:09 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Dieval Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,969	Why does it look like the audio has been dubbed? :p "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill

Dec 17, 2004, 01:12 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
OberonDOtherseid Logic Via Reality Posts: 653	Uh oh, don't try that, I got the boo boo lip and crocodile tear rant in the voter fraud thread for denouncing their beliefs. You might get told. "Stay out of topics you aren't interested in Champ". LOL... George Bush kicks ass and takes names in 2005!!

Dec 17, 2004, 02:07 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Dieval, Oberon, you guys are carrying etiquette violations to other posts now I see? Now we want to derail this topic, because you and Sean had words. You guys make me feel like I am back on the 6th grade playground again. You both had some nice one line, off topic, non-debate inspiring content. Thanks again. All this thread is, is an example of one person, from the public, expressing his view to Congress. Dieval, if you feel it has been dubbed, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But you adding it here was just another attempt to discredit a topic of intrest and possible debate. You pointed out how it "may" or "may not" be dubbed, yet offer no reasoning as to why, or even finding out if it is publicly accessible. Nice attempt at a drive-by discredit. Thank you, drive through...... Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Dec 17, 2004, 02:32 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Dieval said: I just thought that you'd like to hear something other than a dozen yes-men agreeing with everything said.... I say: I DO, I DO! I want someone to pick it apart, I want someone to prove to me he is wrong, IRREFUTABLY WRONG! I want someone to tell me I am wrong about all of the things I have uncovered, read, compiled, studied, and PROVE ME WRONG WITHOUT A DOUBT. Unfortunately, nobody who holds that opinion has shown me, fact by fact, how I am wrong. Usually the most I can get is somewhat reasonable doubt on SOME issues. There is an old saying, when the shoe fits wear it. I think the shoe fits pretty well on the fact that we have been consistently lied to by this administration, and the lack of accountability for it is STAGGERING. If the Bush administration (republican party) and the Democrats believe in our rights, our liberty, our vote, and TRANSPARENCY OF THE SYSTEM they would be right there DEMANDING a recount. Bush SHOULD be proclaiming " I dont want to win this election due to vote tampering or by some error in the voting system. I demand a clean vote, with a secured and protected paper trail for all votes, since that is the only way to insure a fair election in situations where a recount is in order." Instead we get "-------------------------" NOTHING. The major media won't cover it with investigative journalists, or on spot reporters even though a recount is being done officially now. There are sworn statements, witnesses, video evidence, and tons of circumstantial evidence. There is more evidence here than there was for both the O.J.and the Pederson trial combined. This crime doesn't only affect a couple citizens, it affects ALL citizens, so why is the media not covering this? Once again, I only ask to be proven wrong, or have a logical case made for reasonable doubt to my proposed issues, theories, material or conclusions. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Dec 17, 2004, 02:44 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
JohnLockeRocks Junior Member? Hah! Location: Houston, TX Posts: 54	Cool video. I wish Barbara Jordan and Henry B. Gonzalez were still around so we Texans could have voices like that in Congress... "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of a cancer cell." Do you make things better where you live, or do you screw things up and live in the suburbs?

Dec 17, 2004, 02:49 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
Dieval Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,969	I'm still not following what's to debate here. The bill this guy is talking about isn't mentioned anywhere in the thread, that I saw(if it was, sorry I missed it). The guy goes on a rant, stating his opinion about many different subjects.. What exactly are we trying to debating here? "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill

Dec 17, 2004, 06:13 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	god that is such a fuckjing amazing speech i cant get over it. it is like he is about to slip up but he is just so embodied with hatred that his mind is clear. just one of the best speeches i've ever heard, to be honest. I hear Hitler was a good speaker but i dont know what he is saying. Bomb ass speech, I'd vote for this fucker on that alone, i think... eh probably not, but still, it would give him major kudos.

Dec 17, 2004, 06:14 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	oh at that "reality" vs Reality was a great line too milton.