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Old Dec 15, 2004, 11:58 am   #1 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready
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Judge wears robe with TEN COMMANDMENTS printed on it.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...mandments_robe


This is getting ridiculous. :rolleyes:

What do you think of this folks?


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Old Dec 15, 2004, 12:57 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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I think we will being seeing more and more of this happening because of the re-election of President Bush.

Perhaps the that judge is trying to get Bush to appoint them to new opening in the Supreme Court?

Well, the judge has a right to protest. According to the new thinking coming out of Washington we should be alarmed about the bumbing down of religion and morality in America among the masses.
The bumbing down of God's will seems to be the fault of them liberals and Democrats who were never educated with the Bible. Right?

Only one or two the the 10 Commandments are even enforced by any of our laws within the justice system. (I wonder if that judge knows that before he/she starts acting in the name of Moses?

"They say there is no way to delay that trouble coming everyday and it's enough to make you start to pray" qoute from Frank Zappa.

I think we should perhaps not censor those relgious symbols that people wish to wear at the work place or in a school, or wherever. We might think them silly but hey they got their rights I would think. Otherwise we should ban Bush photos from such public places funded by the government (see my other posting about that). Perhaps it is time to just relax and chill out about all those religious buttons and such. As long as the judge can remain non-partisan relative to religiously sensitive cases pending before them I don't see what the big deal is. However such a judge should not force me to remove my pointed witch hat if I come to sit in on one of their court room cases.
(this could be fun?).

I think we should amend the bill of rights so that we can also have the "right to be silly". I think our founding fathers forgot to add that one to the list. Why is being silly so taboo in our culture?
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Old Dec 15, 2004, 01:21 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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Chime me in as thinking it is ridiculous. I would fire him since his decisions would be biased on the 10 commandments and not the Constitution.


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Old Dec 15, 2004, 01:38 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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Any judge whose professional allegience is to the Bible and not the Constitution should be fired. His personal beliefs are his business, but his job is to uphold the State and Federal Constitutions. The Alabama State Constitution has a tougher anti-establishment clause than the US Constitution, by the way.

If the judge doesn't want to uphold his oath of ofice he should quit and become a preacher.


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Old Dec 15, 2004, 01:51 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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Is this what those extreme right wingers would call "judicial activism?"

Just shows that education doesn't eliminate ignorance.
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Old Dec 15, 2004, 10:58 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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I think it's pretty cool. What we have here is a religious judge who is upset about the ten commandment controversy. He chooses to express himself by adopting a gutsy, "in your face" attitude and is saying " I dare you to fire me!" I can respect that as he is sticking up for what he believes in.

Unfortunately for him, he IS a judge and as such he must be fired. But he STILL has a lot of style.
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Old Dec 15, 2004, 11:20 pm   #7 (permalink) (top)
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Let him wear it. Who's he hurting? If there is a problem with his judging, nail him for THAT, not his clothes. And wearing a pointy hat in court isn't a good idea, Technosoul. Ya gotta show some respect for the court.


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Old Dec 16, 2004, 01:31 am   #8 (permalink) (top)
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So how come a religious witch hat should not be awarded the same respect as the 10 Commandments pinned to a robe? And what is wrong with testing if that judge is really supportive of mixing religous freedom of speech with the secular activities of a courtroom?

Hey, I could stick a tiny American flag in hat, would that help?

Anyway, that other judge was terminated but only after he refused to remove that stone monument of the 10 Commandments and so this judge might just be told to remove his button stick on and if he conforms, he will stay. No doubt.

By the way does anyone know why removing a hat demonstrates respect? How did that ritual start and was it a "religious activity" in the beginning, or did it have to do with Kings and Queens?

Does saying "off with their hats" simply a reminder that the Queen can say "off with their heads"?
Must I go ask Alice? Anyway, just wondering. Technosoul.
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Old Dec 16, 2004, 02:27 pm   #9 (permalink) (top)
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Respect is a two way street Patrick, and I won't respect the court if they don't respect my beliefs.


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Old Dec 16, 2004, 02:34 pm   #10 (permalink) (top)
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RickSP, could you please point out specific scripture that directly conflicts in any way with the constitution? By that I mean, where are the rules for living in the bible (please distinguish between old and new covenants/testaments) in any way conflict with the applications of the constitution. So far as I can see there's no conflict between the two; nothing that would make anyone judge unconstitutionally if they also believe the bible.

However, I would object to having my case heard by a judge with a great big embroidered "THERE IS NO GOD" on his robe. Seems to me he might change to solid black, and stay out of that can of worms.


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Old Dec 16, 2004, 02:40 pm   #11 (permalink) (top)
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When he became a representative of the state, he lost his right to promote religion on the job. If he wants to be a preacher, he can get his ordination for free like I did. If he wants to be a judge, he can't promote religion on the job.
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Old Dec 16, 2004, 02:41 pm   #12 (permalink) (top)
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If you note the story, it says that the font on the embroidered commandments is too small to be read by the jury, and can only be read when approaching the bench. Not a big deal. It is not a big, bold swastika or a hammer and sickle. Jeez, what a bunch of God-haters...


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Old Dec 16, 2004, 02:42 pm   #13 (permalink) (top)
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Seperation of Church and state. The Government, in this case a judge, is breaching his oath by giving power to Juedeo-Christian archiac laws in a court of American law. This isn't ancient Israel, it is the united state of America. This judge needs to be fired.... at by a firing squad.
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Old Dec 16, 2004, 02:43 pm   #14 (permalink) (top)
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If you note the story, it says that the font on the embroidered commandments is too small to be read by the jury, and can only be read when approaching the bench. Not a big deal. It is not a big, bold swastika or a hammer and sickle. Jeez, what a bunch of God-haters...
Christian haters, please. It is hard to hate what is not real, but Christians are very real. And it is just as disgusting as a swastika if not more so.
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Old Dec 16, 2004, 02:50 pm   #15 (permalink) (top)
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RickSP, could you please point out specific scripture that directly conflicts in any way with the constitution?
You have it backwards. I can easily point out the language in the Constitution that directly conflicts with a judge attempting to establish a particular religious viewpoint.

The problem is the intepretation of scripture. Some denominations forbid drinking and dancing, for example. That is their choice and I have no problem with that. I would object to a judge using their scriptural interpretation instead of the law of the land, however.

A judge's job is to apply the law, not instruct in religious matters.


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Old Dec 16, 2004, 02:54 pm   #16 (permalink) (top)
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further, the ten commandments make things illegal in the US that are legal, like boning your friend's wife.
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Old Dec 16, 2004, 02:57 pm   #17 (permalink) (top)
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Jeez, what a bunch of God-haters...
No, just freedom lovers.

If I am not mistaken, a young lawyer named Patrick Henry first made his name in the North American colonies arguing against the establishment of the Church of England. Our founding father understood that freedom of religion required freedom from religion.


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Old Dec 16, 2004, 02:58 pm   #18 (permalink) (top)
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Patrick said: If you note the story, it says that the font on the embroidered commandments is too small to be read by the jury, and can only be read when approaching the bench. Not a big deal. It is not a big, bold swastika or a hammer and sickle. Jeez, what a bunch of God-haters...

I say: So, would it be different if the judge had an equally small sized swastika, that could only be seen when approaching the bench?

Please Patrick show me the logic here?


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Old Dec 16, 2004, 03:07 pm   #19 (permalink) (top)
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The judge is declaring he will rule in a biased manner. If he wanted to play fair he wouldn't need to express his bigotry. Would he?

What if more than a few people showed up to sit in his courtroom with Turbans on their heads, and "Praised be Allah" clearly imprinted so to easily read what religion they believed in? I think the jduge should be forced to swallow some of his own medicine, so to speak. Don't you?

Or.. what about the united label of the KKK?

I like the witch hat idea to. <g>
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Old Dec 16, 2004, 03:08 pm   #20 (permalink) (top)
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Do you equate a swastika, symbol of the Nazi regime, with the Ten Commandments, Osborn?

Most of you who claim to hate Christians or Christianity are likely opposed to the tyranny represented by the Bush regime. This is not a Christian outfit, rather, it is Satanic and has masqueraded as Christian to gain support from those who can't follow their stealthy policies, enmeshed as they are in the web of media lies. You are being taken in by misdirection, and your opposition should be more focused on politics than religion.


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