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Technosoul · Dec 15, 2004, 11:51 am

This topic is for the purpose of debating if local city laws can trump our Bill of Rights concerning the right to free speech.

A number of cities have laws that state that you cannot speak out on the curb of any public street. You are not allowed to say anything to people in thier cars such as ...

You cannot ask for money.
You cannot sell stuff.
You cannot ask for day work.
You cannot ask for a ride (hitchhike).

Be it by speaking or by holding a sign.

Such is a direct removal of your right for free speech. However, the cities claim that safty and the prevention of traffic jams are more important then the right for free speech.

Those laws are clearly about targeting special groups of people, mostly homeless people or undocumented day laborers, and poor people who want to sell flowers or newspapers on street curbs at traffic lights. Like they once targeted hippies because they would hitchhike (and postituion or drug dealers).

Sometimes a "by the book cop" will fine other people, like once they fined some teens who were promoting a carwash to raise money for this chruch. But mostly the cops do not enforce the law except when cracking down on Mexicans, Homeless and Poor people, and of course, protesters without permits.

A number of cases are now pending court action relative to the day workers who assemble on the curbs along streets to get part time employment. The city says safty comes first, the lawyers for the day workers say "the right to free speech" comes first. And so some judge will have to make a ruling, but what do you think?

Can city laws trump our rights to assemble in a peaceful way or our right to free speech if safty is used as a good reason to take away those rights?

Technosoul.

Milton Bradley · Dec 16, 2004, 05:25 pm

Q) Can they?

A) Yes.

Q) Should they be able to?

A) No. Unless ammendments to the State Constitution are made to allow for this.

We have the same problem in Toledo, where our ex-Mayor took it upon himself to attempt to pass unconstituional gun legislation, and when that failed, he implemented gun registration, and attempted to try to pass ammunition restrictions for people living within city limits.

[sarcasm] The freedom lovers are eveywhere, some are even Mayors. [/sarcasm]

castille · Dec 17, 2004, 12:45 pm

Well whenever I see those weird people trying to sell me things or beg for money, I exercise my right to run them over!

I agree perfectly with you. We need to exercise our rights more!

Technosoul · Dec 17, 2004, 11:55 pm

More and more I hear this kind of philosophy being expressed here. It seems many would just like to get rid of the old police department as something useless and obsolete, get rid of the confused justice system and then each person can have the right to take the law into their own hands and take care of those problem people we don't like right on the spot.

Well, I found someone who could be your leader, who agrees with that very idea of self-law. And if you read down into his writings (letters) you will see what I mean.

Happy reading (but don't get hypnotic when you read it .. okay?).

The leader in the Thought for Absoulte Freedom.

http://www.atwa.info/thought.htm

Yipes!

Technosoul.

Dec 15, 2004, 11:51 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,936	When your rights are not right. This topic is for the purpose of debating if local city laws can trump our Bill of Rights concerning the right to free speech. A number of cities have laws that state that you cannot speak out on the curb of any public street. You are not allowed to say anything to people in thier cars such as ... You cannot ask for money. You cannot sell stuff. You cannot ask for day work. You cannot ask for a ride (hitchhike). Be it by speaking or by holding a sign. Such is a direct removal of your right for free speech. However, the cities claim that safty and the prevention of traffic jams are more important then the right for free speech. Those laws are clearly about targeting special groups of people, mostly homeless people or undocumented day laborers, and poor people who want to sell flowers or newspapers on street curbs at traffic lights. Like they once targeted hippies because they would hitchhike (and postituion or drug dealers). Sometimes a "by the book cop" will fine other people, like once they fined some teens who were promoting a carwash to raise money for this chruch. But mostly the cops do not enforce the law except when cracking down on Mexicans, Homeless and Poor people, and of course, protesters without permits. A number of cases are now pending court action relative to the day workers who assemble on the curbs along streets to get part time employment. The city says safty comes first, the lawyers for the day workers say "the right to free speech" comes first. And so some judge will have to make a ruling, but what do you think? Can city laws trump our rights to assemble in a peaceful way or our right to free speech if safty is used as a good reason to take away those rights? Technosoul.

Dec 17, 2004, 12:45 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Well whenever I see those weird people trying to sell me things or beg for money, I exercise my right to run them over! I agree perfectly with you. We need to exercise our rights more! Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Dec 16, 2004, 05:25 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	Q) Can they? A) Yes. Q) Should they be able to? A) No. Unless ammendments to the State Constitution are made to allow for this. We have the same problem in Toledo, where our ex-Mayor took it upon himself to attempt to pass unconstituional gun legislation, and when that failed, he implemented gun registration, and attempted to try to pass ammunition restrictions for people living within city limits. [sarcasm] The freedom lovers are eveywhere, some are even Mayors. [/sarcasm]

Dec 17, 2004, 11:55 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,936	More and more I hear this kind of philosophy being expressed here. It seems many would just like to get rid of the old police department as something useless and obsolete, get rid of the confused justice system and then each person can have the right to take the law into their own hands and take care of those problem people we don't like right on the spot. Well, I found someone who could be your leader, who agrees with that very idea of self-law. And if you read down into his writings (letters) you will see what I mean. Happy reading (but don't get hypnotic when you read it .. okay?). The leader in the Thought for Absoulte Freedom. http://www.atwa.info/thought.htm Yipes! Technosoul.