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Plaything48 · Jan 23, 2004, 01:15 pm

Of all the martyrs in history, few have been successful at getting attention like the suicide bomber. By strapping a bushel of explosives around themselves and wandering into a crowd of "the enemy" (or maybe just people visiting "the enemy" on holiday) they succeed in making a bold, bloody statement and routing around the usual issues that attacking forces have, like escaping.

It's this intended lack of escape that makes a suicide bomber so tricky to deal with; unlike, say, a boat sailing into a harbour firing upon land to invade it, the attacker doesn't ever expect to leave. This means that they can wander deep into a building or a town square and press their plunger and not be studying the exits; more likely they'll be putting themselves next to a support beam or the gas tank of a bus because in just a few special moments they'll be travelling in many directions at high speeds.

The main problem with suicide bombing is nobody except your nutty little group thinks this is the way to go about things. Wars aren't supposed to be fought with massive amounts of one side killing themselves; that's not even sporting. War is supposed to be about risk, not guaranteed self-immolation.

The other main problem is that you get one shot with a suicide bomber; and since the type of person who commits themselves to a one-way mission for a vague sense of glory and responsibility isn't usually the sharpest fork in the drawer, you can actually have semi-hilarious situations (overlooking the dead for a moment). Consider some of these "suicide snafus":

- In August of 2001, a suicide bomber sitting in a coffee house hit on the waitress, finally lifting his shirt and showing his explosives to get her attention. The waitress immediately screamed "terrorist" and the coffee shop immediately emptied before the bomber could hit the detonator, killing himself instantly but only lightly injuring 21 people.

- There have been multiple cases of suicide bombers being snagged at checkpoints, detonating prematurely, and killing absolutely no-one. This is the suicide bomber equivalent of driving drunk and crashing into a tree pulling over for a sobriety check.

- And in one case in May of 2002, a suicide bomber blew up, by himself, walking along a road, far away from anything or anybody. No doubt his family was proud.

There was a movement recently to rename suicide bombers "homicide bombers"; this kind of thinking betrays the suckiness of our modern times, where we've equated minor word-games with solving the problem. Hence we no longer have a "Department of War", but a "Department of Defence", who are now calling bomb-laden nutjobs anything but what they are. Go team! Luckily, this didn't catch on and will quickly be forgotten, like the idea that suicide bombing is going to stop anytime soon.

Incidentally, suicide bombing is prohibited in the Quran:

Sura 2:195 And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for Allah loveth those who do good.

This may put a damper on any suicide bombers who plan to enjoy their 70 virgins in heaven.

PeterAngelo · Jan 25, 2004, 10:10 pm

The situations you describe sound like the suicide bombers didn't really want to hurt anyone - just leave their hell hole and make a minor statement.

Good guys.

If my family was murdered by an Israeli I would strap a bomb around my broken heart and be happy to go to hell and take as many SOB's as I possibly could.

Sounds reasonable to me.

The people who were in the French Underground were hailed as heroes for doing as many terorist acts as possible.

Menachem Began bombed London and became Premier of Israel.

Doesn't work?

We won the revolutionary war by being terrorists and snipers.

Get an education so this nutty group won't have to waste time reading bigoted crap from an insensitive bore.

If you think modern times suck you would have loved the Civil War and no medical care.

Infections led to death.

Scratch yourself.

castille · Jan 27, 2004, 10:45 am

If Israeli soldiers killed your family, would you strap a bomb to yourself and kill an innocent Israeli girl in retaliation?

Why not purge all negros from society if a black guy kills your family?

PeterAngelo · Jan 27, 2004, 08:23 pm

A) Probably.

B) Isn't that what the U. S. government has been trying to do since 1864?

Vitalij · Jan 27, 2004, 09:44 pm

From the article:
[color=red]ISLAM - THE GRAVEDIGGER OF JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY[/color]

...Nothing will be able to stop a volunteer - suicide bomber wishing to eternalize his name. A readiness to die without a murmur for the sake of satisfying his ambitious fanaticism will bring a victory to representatives of the Islamic world. Islam will destroy its polarity, and by that will sign its own death sentence. For it will have no chances to defeat the representatives of more powerful military psycholayers of the East, cultivating more refined forms of selfsacrifice. And it will be urged to begin destroying itself in internecine wars and conflicts, against a background of flourishing looting, lawlessness and increasing seismic activity of the Earth.

Vitalij Polonskij
[color=red]translator of the site[/color]
"Earth - the planet of biorobots"
http://www.godswhip.info/

PatC · Jan 28, 2004, 04:19 am

The problem with suicide bombers is that they don't work. Their ultimate goal is to work to establish a Palestinian state, I dont see that happening (Bush's road map to peace, Clinton's plan made good strides but all failed because of new outbreaks of violence). Gerry Adams once wrote that the IRA's campaign (im refering to the 1920s under Michale Collins, not the 60-70 era) was a horrible time that killed many innocebt civilians. Without the IRA, Britain would never be willing to to negotiate for a free Irish state. Whats the difference? The IRA (mostly) killed British soldiers and those in or related to the governmentand did not indiscrimatly kill civilians. Second, when the oppertunity for peace came, the IRA took advantage of it. The point is as long as Israeli soldiers keep killing Palestinians and Palestinian suicide bombers keep killing Israeli civilians without stopping for a minute and taking a look around and see what is happening, nothing will be gained by either side and the cycle continues

PeterAngelo · Jan 28, 2004, 10:21 am

The IRA killed a lot of "innocents". They bombed London so many times it was like Bagdad.

Terrorism works like nothing else.

We take pride in our revolutionaly heroes use of terrorist tactics. We shot British troops from behind trees and drove them nuts. we are proud of that.

Menachem Began bombed London and became Premier of Israel.

The Israeli -Palestinian conflict remains unsettled because the division and terror allows the British ansd Americans to justify maintaining the war machines.

Arafat would be dead if he weren't a deliberate "player" in this farce.

The PLO and the Zionists are a tag team working together to maintain their personal fortunes. Arafat is wealthy with a young wife living in Jordon - or Paris - or anywhere she wants. Sharon is a thief and a serial killer who just got charged with bribery. He is already wealthy but so small minded he wants every nickle (typical).

It is all a cosmic joke and a trick being played on uneducated, ignorant, and often dimwitted "subjects".

It has always been that way because education and information was kept for the rulers.

Today the Internet is putting a wrench in the gears of all tyrants (including us). TV forced our civil rights acts because the world saw how southern sheriffs "terrorized" Blacks.

Terror is the only instrument that works. War is terror by rulers against their own people who have become too damanding and too much of a threat. Wars are agreed to before-hand between the parties and their banks. The people are just "sheep". The Catholic Church is so contemptuous of their idiot followers they actually call them "sheep", and the fools think it is a good thing.

As Bush defines terrorists they are any poor person that threatens a rich person.

The super-rich who have made fortunes at the expense of billions of third world poor are so scared they want to be able to kill anyone who gets near them.

Our President should be the most beloved man in the world. He should be protected by the people and not from the people. Even during the evil times of WWII, Harry Truman used to casually walk around the White House and greet people on the street - with no secret service or anything.

Today they cordon off nine miles around the criminal Bush so his victims can't get justice.

We are a crime-gang run nation that has the whole world frightened of us and hoping we self destruct.

I think their prayers may be answered soon.

I pray with them and would love to be brave enough to take one of those arrogant pigs out who are raping America. I am a coward and a blowhard compared to the youngest child that gives his life for his people.

We are a bunckh of spoiled, insipid, anti-christians who love to kill for money, all of us. We all live fat and safe because thugs like bushie kill for us. I hate him, but I have to hate myself too for allowing him to get away with it. It is wrong on its face even though no one has figured out how to do it any other way.

Humans are not trustworthy. We lie all the time, cheat, steal, kill and envy each other. The elderly hate being old and hate the young for having so much fun. Decisions made by old people who run the world are skewed by the fear of impending death.

The future is never a real consideration because we have no future - individually. No matter what we do we will die in a short time. Kids think life is long but old people know at the end is feels like it never happened at all - like it all took five minutes and there's less than a minute left.

Terror works because the fear of death is the most primal thing we deal with after birth until we finally die. It is on our minds every minute of every day. We are all a phone call away from hearing our loved ones got run over by a truck, or we are diagnosed with some horrible cancer.

That drives us all insane and explains the actions of every character in history - bar none.

Terrorism works to the point that America has run out of countries that will make war deals with us because we can't be trusted. That is a new turning point in history. Our only allies are a joke. Our former allies are frightened - including Russia and China.

We are no longer the beacon of light and freedom - if we ever were. We are the merchants of death and destruction. our land mines blow up children all over the world every day. Our bases are everywhere and the povery stricken hordes of refugees know that we are the ones who drive them off their ancestral lands so we can steal oil and other resources.

The Internet is now able to reach billions and teach them our tricks. When that happens the trick is dead - and so are we.

We cannot kill or control 5,750,000,000 slaves (half under twenty years-old). They will swarm over us like ants on honey and eat us - literally.

I don't blame them and I will help if I can.

We have gone too far and plan to go a lot further.

No way. The age of high-tech military industrial complexes making weapons of mass destruction has to end.

That means we have to end.

The world would be better off if all politics were local and there was no barbarian power capable of attacking cultures who are minding their own business.

We are the modern Genghis Kahn.

We have to give up the piracy and try to live in peace.

We cannot ever promote peace and live by a war machine that eats other nations.

Eisenhour warned us that the military-industrial complex would become what it is today. It is a monster that is crapping mass graves all over the planet.

We are the Great Satan and Bin Laden is my hero.

He is not a terrorist - he is a freedom fighter.

I am not happy anyone died on 9/11, but it is not comparable to the number of innocents we have butchered (with Britain), and continue to butcher, every day of the year since 1916.

We are the terrorists, so we must believe in terrorism as an effective weapon. It is our only weapon.

No wonder our phony crime lord administration tries to convince us that terrorism doesn't work. That a terrorist is an "individual" and not a smart bomb dropped from thirty thousand feet on the home of a sleeping family in Bagdad.

The cycle continues deliberately because it justifies building a bigger, badder war machine.

Peace is an enemy to a country that depends on a war machine to exist. We no longer manufacture "things" to sell to the world. We manufacture war tools to control, enslave, and exploit the world.

Our "consumer" economy is consuming human beings for a living.

Supply and demand are the only legitimate economic forces. We have given up on trying to stay legitimate. All pirates hate to actually work for a living when it is easier to rob with a gun or a smart bomb. Our "Skull and Bones" leaders are pirates - that is the code of Skull and Bones". It is how the British Empire has always rules. Privateers (like Blackbeard) were really agents for the crown. The pirate flag is the true flag of England and America.

Everything else is only show. Smoke and mirrors like the Wizard of Oz.

Too bad people are too stupid to understand this truth.

Like Jack Nicholson said in the movie, "You can't handle the truth".

Sad.

PatC · Jan 29, 2004, 12:39 am

bin Laden is a freedom fighter??

Impenitent · Jan 29, 2004, 01:18 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PatC,)
bin Laden is a freedom fighter??<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

sure, don't you know that religious fanactic billionares are always interested in everyone's freedom? the non believers and women don't deserve freedom but that doesn't matter...

PeterAngelo · Jan 29, 2004, 06:34 pm

He has given up EVERYTHING for his cause.

Can you get it through your skull and bones.

He is no longer a billionaire in the "Rockefeller" kind of way.

He is essentially dead - martyred for his people.

He could be living in Paris getting blow jobs like Clinton ( and Bush should) if he were a shallow pig like the bushwhacker.

Denial is predictable in certain people with low IQ's and little education. It is easier to hate and believe blind authority than it is to spend fifty years learning and actually experiencing life at high levels.

Not everyone can.

Bin Laden is Moses Reborn
ariannaonline.com

Sodfather · Jan 29, 2004, 08:54 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PeterAngelo,)
We take pride in our revolutionaly heroes use of terrorist tactics. We shot British troops from behind trees and drove them nuts. we are proud of that.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Amazingly, one sentence of your Yay-I'm-Going-Against-the-Flow-of-Sanity post caught my attention. This is utter bullshit, and, for lack of a better analogy, is comparing apples to oranges. Sniping a trained and armed soldier of a country which you have declared war on and whom is wandering in known enemy territory sharply contrasts from blowing up a bomb in the midst of non-combatant civilians, even if they're civilians of a so-called "enemy" country. Where has your logic gone, Peter?

I'll admit that you're well-educated, alright: not in factual and sound matters, but in heresy. All you are is a heretic, touting the fact that you love Usama at every opportunity in a piteous attempt to rustle our feathers. If you wanna rustle our feathers, try bringing something containing an ounce of logic and/or fact to the table.

PatC · Jan 30, 2004, 02:52 am

I have finally opened my eyes and have come to deal with the truth. bin Laden has made a great sacrafice to fight for all of us. Allah willing we will soon be under sharia law and living in the stonage. my neighbor who skips morning prayer will swiftly be executed and anyone who listens to music will beheaded. So everyone get down on your prayer mats and and beg of allah to destroy the infidels

PeterAngelo · Feb 4, 2004, 06:56 pm

No. Get another job and pay interest forever. Work yourself to death and lie to your neighbor every time you talk to them - oh, I forgot, neighbors hate each other in America.

Only religious fanatics cause trouble. Theirs, ours, and everybody's. I don't hear Bin Laden touting anything but an end to international treachery. The agreement we and Britain made in 1916 is the same one the Arabs are still trying to close.

Sorry you are such fools.

It is funny watching right-wing religious nuts back a party that will eventually treat them like muslim Clerics - when the time is right.

Corporate greed is a secular policy that competes with church banks. They have had a symbiotic relationship for all recorded history (not very long), but are now at odds.

That is why it is a religious war - it is a war against religion being fought and supported by christian idiots who believe anything.

You are fighting for your own enslavement like frightened sheep stampeding toward a barn.

I am going to die soon - I am old. I am bored living in paradise - that's why I bother to waste my time this way. Even beachfront condos and money gets old after a lifetime. My only pleasure is watching my grand-children and hoping this crap world doesn't hurt them too bad.

They will be educated in the law and reality - I think we will be fine - even in hell. We learned how to thrive in this system.

Unfortunately though, it is sickening to be surrounded by so much poverty and misery. The police protect us from "them" - but a drive inland is a ride through a land of frustrated, cash poor, overworked, miserable looking zombies. The freeway is filled with overstressed nuts in BMW's fingering the world - literally and figuratively.

Bend down and pray - or bend down and keep taking it in the ass.

Either way you lose - I and the other well organized thieves will continue to win.

Please never change.

Sodfather · Feb 4, 2004, 08:31 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PeterAngelo,)
Corporate greed is a secular policy that competes with church banks. They have had a symbiotic relationship for all recorded history (not very long), but are now at odds.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Blah, blah, blah: you're one big fat broken record, gramps. Stop spitting the words of others out of your mouth and hit us with something real and interesting. Oh, I forgot, you don't have any facts to refute points we've made against you, so you go on blibber-blabbering about secular polcies and church banks and who-gives-a-shit.

This topic's just nonsense now, I'm out.

Paavo · Feb 4, 2004, 10:32 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sodfather,)

Blah, blah, blah: you're one big fat broken record, gramps.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Show some respect for older people. Even though you think he's full of shit, try to have some style about it.
I strongly believe (for each year that goes by) that the older a person is, the more he/she has seen, no matter in what enviroment.

Besides, he makes good points. And just because he says some things over and over again, doesn't mean they aren't relevant to the issue at hand.

PatC · Feb 5, 2004, 02:15 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PeterAngelo,)

It is funny watching right-wing religious nuts back a party that will eventually treat them like muslim Clerics - when the time is right.

<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
You really think that living under a right wing christian dominated government is as bad being ruled by a Taliban style muslim cleric. Why dont you jump into your time machine and go gack to a 1990s Afgahnistan and see how you like it.

Suburbanite · Feb 5, 2004, 06:10 am

Luckily they just have a lot of power, not all of it. If they had all of it, I have to wonder how different it would be.

Sodfather · Feb 5, 2004, 06:44 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Paavo,)
Show some respect for older people. Even though you think he's full of shit, try to have some style about it.
I strongly believe (for each year that goes by) that the older a person is, the more he/she has seen, no matter in what enviroment.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
I see it exactly the opposite. When I was younger I subscribed to your way of thinking, but now I've realized the truth: some people remain uneducated their entire life. I see it in my own grandmother, although in a different, more friendly way.

I mean, you can't view someone who grew up during WWII and is unacquainted with the name Adolf Hitler as a knowledgeable and wise person. :( Still love my grams though, just to be clear on that.

PeterAngelo · Feb 6, 2004, 08:32 pm

Sodfather:

I am as fit as an NFL quarterback. I am also living the American Dream. If my desire to see the rest of the world live as well as I do offends you - and causes you to resort to ad hominum attacks - that is your problem.

You reveal your frustration at being so uninformed you can't really relate to my posts.

I understand that a lifetime of education and experience at high levels is not the "norm".

I do not intend to insult, belittle, or underestimate anyones potential - but we are not all equal at any moment in time.

I do not know your age, education, or life experience. I hope your life is a good one. Mine has been. I also hope you learn to dream of a better world and not hate so much.

You will be amazed at the end of life how it all seems like a five minute dream. The contempt youth has for age is understandable - old age is a nightmare and you should revile it. Live hard and fast and die young if you are lucky. It is quality - not quantity that counts.

Get a law degree - it is the answer to everything.

Today - the weapon of choice of all gangsters is the law.

Arm yourself, pilgrim.

Sodfather · Feb 6, 2004, 10:28 pm

Advising us to arm ourselves with a law degree is the only sensible thing I've heard you say in this thread, Gramps.

Let me say that I neither care about your physical status nor the quality of your life: what I care about is people making idiotic posts and including irrelevant info just to try and look knowledgeable.

And by the way, homo, hominis is a third declension noun and, thus, in the accusative form, ends in -em. You'd think someone so skilled in the law as yourself would know basic Latin.

Jan 23, 2004, 01:15 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Plaything48 Igneous Magma Location: London baby, yeah! Posts: 198	Of all the martyrs in history, few have been successful at getting attention like the suicide bomber. By strapping a bushel of explosives around themselves and wandering into a crowd of "the enemy" (or maybe just people visiting "the enemy" on holiday) they succeed in making a bold, bloody statement and routing around the usual issues that attacking forces have, like escaping. It's this intended lack of escape that makes a suicide bomber so tricky to deal with; unlike, say, a boat sailing into a harbour firing upon land to invade it, the attacker doesn't ever expect to leave. This means that they can wander deep into a building or a town square and press their plunger and not be studying the exits; more likely they'll be putting themselves next to a support beam or the gas tank of a bus because in just a few special moments they'll be travelling in many directions at high speeds. The main problem with suicide bombing is nobody except your nutty little group thinks this is the way to go about things. Wars aren't supposed to be fought with massive amounts of one side killing themselves; that's not even sporting. War is supposed to be about risk, not guaranteed self-immolation. The other main problem is that you get one shot with a suicide bomber; and since the type of person who commits themselves to a one-way mission for a vague sense of glory and responsibility isn't usually the sharpest fork in the drawer, you can actually have semi-hilarious situations (overlooking the dead for a moment). Consider some of these "suicide snafus": - In August of 2001, a suicide bomber sitting in a coffee house hit on the waitress, finally lifting his shirt and showing his explosives to get her attention. The waitress immediately screamed "terrorist" and the coffee shop immediately emptied before the bomber could hit the detonator, killing himself instantly but only lightly injuring 21 people. - There have been multiple cases of suicide bombers being snagged at checkpoints, detonating prematurely, and killing absolutely no-one. This is the suicide bomber equivalent of driving drunk and crashing into a tree pulling over for a sobriety check. - And in one case in May of 2002, a suicide bomber blew up, by himself, walking along a road, far away from anything or anybody. No doubt his family was proud. There was a movement recently to rename suicide bombers "homicide bombers"; this kind of thinking betrays the suckiness of our modern times, where we've equated minor word-games with solving the problem. Hence we no longer have a "Department of War", but a "Department of Defence", who are now calling bomb-laden nutjobs anything but what they are. Go team! Luckily, this didn't catch on and will quickly be forgotten, like the idea that suicide bombing is going to stop anytime soon. Incidentally, suicide bombing is prohibited in the Quran: Sura 2:195 And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for Allah loveth those who do good. This may put a damper on any suicide bombers who plan to enjoy their 70 virgins in heaven. A man has two reasons for doing anything --- a good reason and the real reason. Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.

Jan 27, 2004, 10:45 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	If Israeli soldiers killed your family, would you strap a bomb to yourself and kill an innocent Israeli girl in retaliation? Why not purge all negros from society if a black guy kills your family? Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Jan 28, 2004, 04:19 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
PatC Molten Ash Location: Boston Posts: 109	The problem with suicide bombers is that they don't work. Their ultimate goal is to work to establish a Palestinian state, I dont see that happening (Bush's road map to peace, Clinton's plan made good strides but all failed because of new outbreaks of violence). Gerry Adams once wrote that the IRA's campaign (im refering to the 1920s under Michale Collins, not the 60-70 era) was a horrible time that killed many innocebt civilians. Without the IRA, Britain would never be willing to to negotiate for a free Irish state. Whats the difference? The IRA (mostly) killed British soldiers and those in or related to the governmentand did not indiscrimatly kill civilians. Second, when the oppertunity for peace came, the IRA took advantage of it. The point is as long as Israeli soldiers keep killing Palestinians and Palestinian suicide bombers keep killing Israeli civilians without stopping for a minute and taking a look around and see what is happening, nothing will be gained by either side and the cycle continues We're looking at the world through the barrel of a gun, are we ready?

Jan 29, 2004, 12:39 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
PatC Molten Ash Location: Boston Posts: 109	bin Laden is a freedom fighter?? We're looking at the world through the barrel of a gun, are we ready?

Jan 29, 2004, 01:18 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PatC,) bin Laden is a freedom fighter??<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> sure, don't you know that religious fanactic billionares are always interested in everyone's freedom? the non believers and women don't deserve freedom but that doesn't matter... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Jan 25, 2004, 10:10 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
PeterAngelo Igneous Magma Posts: 169	The situations you describe sound like the suicide bombers didn't really want to hurt anyone - just leave their hell hole and make a minor statement. Good guys. If my family was murdered by an Israeli I would strap a bomb around my broken heart and be happy to go to hell and take as many SOB's as I possibly could. Sounds reasonable to me. The people who were in the French Underground were hailed as heroes for doing as many terorist acts as possible. Menachem Began bombed London and became Premier of Israel. Doesn't work? We won the revolutionary war by being terrorists and snipers. Get an education so this nutty group won't have to waste time reading bigoted crap from an insensitive bore. If you think modern times suck you would have loved the Civil War and no medical care. Infections led to death. Scratch yourself.

Jan 27, 2004, 08:23 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
PeterAngelo Igneous Magma Posts: 169	A) Probably. B) Isn't that what the U. S. government has been trying to do since 1864?

Jan 27, 2004, 09:44 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Vitalij Sedimentary Rock Posts: 3	From the article: [color=red]ISLAM - THE GRAVEDIGGER OF JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY[/color] ...Nothing will be able to stop a volunteer - suicide bomber wishing to eternalize his name. A readiness to die without a murmur for the sake of satisfying his ambitious fanaticism will bring a victory to representatives of the Islamic world. Islam will destroy its polarity, and by that will sign its own death sentence. For it will have no chances to defeat the representatives of more powerful military psycholayers of the East, cultivating more refined forms of selfsacrifice. And it will be urged to begin destroying itself in internecine wars and conflicts, against a background of flourishing looting, lawlessness and increasing seismic activity of the Earth. Vitalij Polonskij [color=red]translator of the site[/color] "Earth - the planet of biorobots" http://www.godswhip.info/

Jan 28, 2004, 10:21 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
PeterAngelo Igneous Magma Posts: 169	The IRA killed a lot of "innocents". They bombed London so many times it was like Bagdad. Terrorism works like nothing else. We take pride in our revolutionaly heroes use of terrorist tactics. We shot British troops from behind trees and drove them nuts. we are proud of that. Menachem Began bombed London and became Premier of Israel. The Israeli -Palestinian conflict remains unsettled because the division and terror allows the British ansd Americans to justify maintaining the war machines. Arafat would be dead if he weren't a deliberate "player" in this farce. The PLO and the Zionists are a tag team working together to maintain their personal fortunes. Arafat is wealthy with a young wife living in Jordon - or Paris - or anywhere she wants. Sharon is a thief and a serial killer who just got charged with bribery. He is already wealthy but so small minded he wants every nickle (typical). It is all a cosmic joke and a trick being played on uneducated, ignorant, and often dimwitted "subjects". It has always been that way because education and information was kept for the rulers. Today the Internet is putting a wrench in the gears of all tyrants (including us). TV forced our civil rights acts because the world saw how southern sheriffs "terrorized" Blacks. Terror is the only instrument that works. War is terror by rulers against their own people who have become too damanding and too much of a threat. Wars are agreed to before-hand between the parties and their banks. The people are just "sheep". The Catholic Church is so contemptuous of their idiot followers they actually call them "sheep", and the fools think it is a good thing. As Bush defines terrorists they are any poor person that threatens a rich person. The super-rich who have made fortunes at the expense of billions of third world poor are so scared they want to be able to kill anyone who gets near them. Our President should be the most beloved man in the world. He should be protected by the people and not from the people. Even during the evil times of WWII, Harry Truman used to casually walk around the White House and greet people on the street - with no secret service or anything. Today they cordon off nine miles around the criminal Bush so his victims can't get justice. We are a crime-gang run nation that has the whole world frightened of us and hoping we self destruct. I think their prayers may be answered soon. I pray with them and would love to be brave enough to take one of those arrogant pigs out who are raping America. I am a coward and a blowhard compared to the youngest child that gives his life for his people. We are a bunckh of spoiled, insipid, anti-christians who love to kill for money, all of us. We all live fat and safe because thugs like bushie kill for us. I hate him, but I have to hate myself too for allowing him to get away with it. It is wrong on its face even though no one has figured out how to do it any other way. Humans are not trustworthy. We lie all the time, cheat, steal, kill and envy each other. The elderly hate being old and hate the young for having so much fun. Decisions made by old people who run the world are skewed by the fear of impending death. The future is never a real consideration because we have no future - individually. No matter what we do we will die in a short time. Kids think life is long but old people know at the end is feels like it never happened at all - like it all took five minutes and there's less than a minute left. Terror works because the fear of death is the most primal thing we deal with after birth until we finally die. It is on our minds every minute of every day. We are all a phone call away from hearing our loved ones got run over by a truck, or we are diagnosed with some horrible cancer. That drives us all insane and explains the actions of every character in history - bar none. Terrorism works to the point that America has run out of countries that will make war deals with us because we can't be trusted. That is a new turning point in history. Our only allies are a joke. Our former allies are frightened - including Russia and China. We are no longer the beacon of light and freedom - if we ever were. We are the merchants of death and destruction. our land mines blow up children all over the world every day. Our bases are everywhere and the povery stricken hordes of refugees know that we are the ones who drive them off their ancestral lands so we can steal oil and other resources. The Internet is now able to reach billions and teach them our tricks. When that happens the trick is dead - and so are we. We cannot kill or control 5,750,000,000 slaves (half under twenty years-old). They will swarm over us like ants on honey and eat us - literally. I don't blame them and I will help if I can. We have gone too far and plan to go a lot further. No way. The age of high-tech military industrial complexes making weapons of mass destruction has to end. That means we have to end. The world would be better off if all politics were local and there was no barbarian power capable of attacking cultures who are minding their own business. We are the modern Genghis Kahn. We have to give up the piracy and try to live in peace. We cannot ever promote peace and live by a war machine that eats other nations. Eisenhour warned us that the military-industrial complex would become what it is today. It is a monster that is crapping mass graves all over the planet. We are the Great Satan and Bin Laden is my hero. He is not a terrorist - he is a freedom fighter. I am not happy anyone died on 9/11, but it is not comparable to the number of innocents we have butchered (with Britain), and continue to butcher, every day of the year since 1916. We are the terrorists, so we must believe in terrorism as an effective weapon. It is our only weapon. No wonder our phony crime lord administration tries to convince us that terrorism doesn't work. That a terrorist is an "individual" and not a smart bomb dropped from thirty thousand feet on the home of a sleeping family in Bagdad. The cycle continues deliberately because it justifies building a bigger, badder war machine. Peace is an enemy to a country that depends on a war machine to exist. We no longer manufacture "things" to sell to the world. We manufacture war tools to control, enslave, and exploit the world. Our "consumer" economy is consuming human beings for a living. Supply and demand are the only legitimate economic forces. We have given up on trying to stay legitimate. All pirates hate to actually work for a living when it is easier to rob with a gun or a smart bomb. Our "Skull and Bones" leaders are pirates - that is the code of Skull and Bones". It is how the British Empire has always rules. Privateers (like Blackbeard) were really agents for the crown. The pirate flag is the true flag of England and America. Everything else is only show. Smoke and mirrors like the Wizard of Oz. Too bad people are too stupid to understand this truth. Like Jack Nicholson said in the movie, "You can't handle the truth". Sad.

Jan 29, 2004, 06:34 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
PeterAngelo Igneous Magma Posts: 169	He has given up EVERYTHING for his cause. Can you get it through your skull and bones. He is no longer a billionaire in the "Rockefeller" kind of way. He is essentially dead - martyred for his people. He could be living in Paris getting blow jobs like Clinton ( and Bush should) if he were a shallow pig like the bushwhacker. Denial is predictable in certain people with low IQ's and little education. It is easier to hate and believe blind authority than it is to spend fifty years learning and actually experiencing life at high levels. Not everyone can. Bin Laden is Moses Reborn ariannaonline.com

Jan 29, 2004, 08:54 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Sodfather Igneous Magma Posts: 327	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PeterAngelo,) We take pride in our revolutionaly heroes use of terrorist tactics. We shot British troops from behind trees and drove them nuts. we are proud of that.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Amazingly, one sentence of your Yay-I'm-Going-Against-the-Flow-of-Sanity post caught my attention. This is utter bullshit, and, for lack of a better analogy, is comparing apples to oranges. Sniping a trained and armed soldier of a country which you have declared war on and whom is wandering in known enemy territory sharply contrasts from blowing up a bomb in the midst of non-combatant civilians, even if they're civilians of a so-called "enemy" country. Where has your logic gone, Peter? I'll admit that you're well-educated, alright: not in factual and sound matters, but in heresy. All you are is a heretic, touting the fact that you love Usama at every opportunity in a piteous attempt to rustle our feathers. If you wanna rustle our feathers, try bringing something containing an ounce of logic and/or fact to the table.

Jan 30, 2004, 02:52 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
PatC Molten Ash Location: Boston Posts: 109	I have finally opened my eyes and have come to deal with the truth. bin Laden has made a great sacrafice to fight for all of us. Allah willing we will soon be under sharia law and living in the stonage. my neighbor who skips morning prayer will swiftly be executed and anyone who listens to music will beheaded. So everyone get down on your prayer mats and and beg of allah to destroy the infidels We're looking at the world through the barrel of a gun, are we ready?

Feb 4, 2004, 06:56 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
PeterAngelo Igneous Magma Posts: 169	No. Get another job and pay interest forever. Work yourself to death and lie to your neighbor every time you talk to them - oh, I forgot, neighbors hate each other in America. Only religious fanatics cause trouble. Theirs, ours, and everybody's. I don't hear Bin Laden touting anything but an end to international treachery. The agreement we and Britain made in 1916 is the same one the Arabs are still trying to close. Sorry you are such fools. It is funny watching right-wing religious nuts back a party that will eventually treat them like muslim Clerics - when the time is right. Corporate greed is a secular policy that competes with church banks. They have had a symbiotic relationship for all recorded history (not very long), but are now at odds. That is why it is a religious war - it is a war against religion being fought and supported by christian idiots who believe anything. You are fighting for your own enslavement like frightened sheep stampeding toward a barn. I am going to die soon - I am old. I am bored living in paradise - that's why I bother to waste my time this way. Even beachfront condos and money gets old after a lifetime. My only pleasure is watching my grand-children and hoping this crap world doesn't hurt them too bad. They will be educated in the law and reality - I think we will be fine - even in hell. We learned how to thrive in this system. Unfortunately though, it is sickening to be surrounded by so much poverty and misery. The police protect us from "them" - but a drive inland is a ride through a land of frustrated, cash poor, overworked, miserable looking zombies. The freeway is filled with overstressed nuts in BMW's fingering the world - literally and figuratively. Bend down and pray - or bend down and keep taking it in the ass. Either way you lose - I and the other well organized thieves will continue to win. Please never change.

Feb 4, 2004, 08:31 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Sodfather Igneous Magma Posts: 327	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PeterAngelo,) Corporate greed is a secular policy that competes with church banks. They have had a symbiotic relationship for all recorded history (not very long), but are now at odds.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Blah, blah, blah: you're one big fat broken record, gramps. Stop spitting the words of others out of your mouth and hit us with something real and interesting. Oh, I forgot, you don't have any facts to refute points we've made against you, so you go on blibber-blabbering about secular polcies and church banks and who-gives-a-shit. This topic's just nonsense now, I'm out.

Feb 4, 2004, 10:32 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sodfather,) Blah, blah, blah: you're one big fat broken record, gramps.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Show some respect for older people. Even though you think he's full of shit, try to have some style about it. I strongly believe (for each year that goes by) that the older a person is, the more he/she has seen, no matter in what enviroment. Besides, he makes good points. And just because he says some things over and over again, doesn't mean they aren't relevant to the issue at hand.

Feb 5, 2004, 02:15 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
PatC Molten Ash Location: Boston Posts: 109	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PeterAngelo,) It is funny watching right-wing religious nuts back a party that will eventually treat them like muslim Clerics - when the time is right. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> You really think that living under a right wing christian dominated government is as bad being ruled by a Taliban style muslim cleric. Why dont you jump into your time machine and go gack to a 1990s Afgahnistan and see how you like it. We're looking at the world through the barrel of a gun, are we ready?

Feb 5, 2004, 06:10 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	Luckily they just have a lot of power, not all of it. If they had all of it, I have to wonder how different it would be.

Feb 5, 2004, 06:44 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
Sodfather Igneous Magma Posts: 327	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Paavo,) Show some respect for older people. Even though you think he's full of shit, try to have some style about it. I strongly believe (for each year that goes by) that the older a person is, the more he/she has seen, no matter in what enviroment.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I see it exactly the opposite. When I was younger I subscribed to your way of thinking, but now I've realized the truth: some people remain uneducated their entire life. I see it in my own grandmother, although in a different, more friendly way. I mean, you can't view someone who grew up during WWII and is unacquainted with the name Adolf Hitler as a knowledgeable and wise person. :( Still love my grams though, just to be clear on that.

Feb 6, 2004, 08:32 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
PeterAngelo Igneous Magma Posts: 169	Sodfather: I am as fit as an NFL quarterback. I am also living the American Dream. If my desire to see the rest of the world live as well as I do offends you - and causes you to resort to ad hominum attacks - that is your problem. You reveal your frustration at being so uninformed you can't really relate to my posts. I understand that a lifetime of education and experience at high levels is not the "norm". I do not intend to insult, belittle, or underestimate anyones potential - but we are not all equal at any moment in time. I do not know your age, education, or life experience. I hope your life is a good one. Mine has been. I also hope you learn to dream of a better world and not hate so much. You will be amazed at the end of life how it all seems like a five minute dream. The contempt youth has for age is understandable - old age is a nightmare and you should revile it. Live hard and fast and die young if you are lucky. It is quality - not quantity that counts. Get a law degree - it is the answer to everything. Today - the weapon of choice of all gangsters is the law. Arm yourself, pilgrim.

Feb 6, 2004, 10:28 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
Sodfather Igneous Magma Posts: 327	Advising us to arm ourselves with a law degree is the only sensible thing I've heard you say in this thread, Gramps. Let me say that I neither care about your physical status nor the quality of your life: what I care about is people making idiotic posts and including irrelevant info just to try and look knowledgeable. And by the way, homo, hominis is a third declension noun and, thus, in the accusative form, ends in -em. You'd think someone so skilled in the law as yourself would know basic Latin.