diebold promises, delivers e-voting fraud

[Senor Herbert]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm

the difference is that the people in the ukraine found out and protested.

COLUMBUS - The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year.

The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. - who has become active in the re-election effort of President Bush - prompted Democrats this week to question the propriety of allowing O'Dell's company to calculate votes in the 2004 presidential election."

the president of diebold said that he would 'deliver ohio to george bush in 2004'. it's not a secret. he made that statement!

i watched on TV as the electronic voting machine system network was hacked into in 90 seconds, without tripping security alarms. on live television. let CNN show you that clip again!

there are documented loopholes in the diebold software, and evidence of tampering has been found at many places where voting machines were used. one location had a line of code say to count votes up to 32,500, then count back down. FRAUD!

walden o'dell, you are a filthy *** of a human being. you disgust me. and george bush, you will never be my president.

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/elec...105-A6-01.html
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111404Z.shtml
http://www.mystolennation.com/index.php
http://www.buckfush.com/

[Senor Herbert]

you can "recount" the fraudulent votes as often as you want. electronic voting machines do not have a paper printout and no paper trail. the vote was defrauded and must be scrapped and redone to find fairness.


the same can be said about the voting situation in florida, where electronic voting machines were also used. we also know the republican led legislatures rushed the electronic voting machines and their funding through the pipeline in ohio and florida.

[OberonDOtherseid]

I'm still waiting for all the hooplah about this, its been over a week and nothing, nothing at all.

[Osborn F Enready]

And you never will see it on the major media Oberon, at least that is what I have been saying all along. It is a C O V E R - U P. Chalk another one up for the propaganda ministers.

[OberonDOtherseid]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready And you never will see it on the major media Oberon, at least that is what I have been saying all along. It is a C O V E R - U P. Chalk another one up for the propaganda ministers.

The media would be all over that shit, Osborn. Are you trying to tell me with a straight face the media would hush that deal up? Get real, they would lap that up like a thirsty dog and you know it. Who are you calling a minister of propaganda, Osborn?

[Anniee]

Quote by: Senor Herbert you can "recount" the fraudulent votes as often as you want. electronic voting machines do not have a paper printout and no paper trail. the vote was defrauded and must be scrapped and redone to find fairness.

This? Is beyond ironic.

I paid close attention during election fiasco 2000, and the left were screaming bloody murder that we needed to get RID of the paper votes and institute the "more accurate" and "reliable" electronic vote. I said it was a bad idea because there was no paper trail, although at least leftist election officials couldn't try to take the ballots behind closed doors and rip out chads, or take voting machines home to make thousands of fake ballots...and now that the country DID modernize according to the left's insistence, NOW it's no good and it doesn't leave a paper trail.

Does anything ever satisfy the left...EVER?

Frankly it's time to stop even trying to appease the unappeasable. Grow up. Deal with it. The left lost. It loses pretty regularly in fact, despite registering Mickey Mouses and Osama Bin Ladens in Pennsylvania. Despite the dead casting votes. Despite every attempt to gather all absentee votes to be filled out fraudulently. Despite buying votes with cigarettes. It's time the wimps in Washington stopped trying to pander to the left anymore. Like Arnie said, "Vhy voud I vant to listen to looosers? Come on, be honest!"

[Anniee]

Considering Dan Blather and his ilk run to report any story negative to the president, including fraudulent ones, you're damn skippy they'd be all over this like flies on turds if there were ANYTHING to report. Didn't anyone else see those tragically heartbroken faces and the stunned disbelief on EVERY channel but Fox on election night? I stayed up all night and saw every last mourner begging the gods for a turnaround. No way this would get by that mob.

[OberonDOtherseid]

Exactly Anniee, the spinning of logic and history revision is astounding. Paper ballots where the big bad deal of 2000, an electronic system would surely be the answer for this election, and now, as you said , it leaves no paper trail. Any IT expert can retrieve anything it desires from those machines, that is common knowlege. I have avocated a recount, I want to know once and for all, without any way the left can blat or the right, that the counts are right and either fraud was commited or it was not so everyone could just shut the hell up and go on with their lives. I'm afraid as you said there is no way to do that, even if they get a recount the blathering of fraud and poltergiest will ensue and nothing will change.

[Osborn F Enready]

Well Oberon, looks like I have to eat some words, since now the media is covering the FRAUD.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

Must have too many facts to cover-up that it would be impossible now not to cover it.

[Lou Minotti]

A Stolen Election The View From My Black Helicopter by Greg Palast in The Nation 29 December issue I'd just stepped out of my black helicopter to read that one of my favorite journalists, David Corn, had attacked my analysis of the vote in Ohio as the stuff of "grassy knoll conspiracy theorists." ("A Stolen Election," The Nation, November 29 issue.) Oh, my! And all because I wrote that the uncounted ballots in Ohio -- more than a quarter million designated "spoiled" or "provisional" -- undoubtedly contain enough votes to overturn George Bush's "victory" margin of 119,000 out of over 5 million cast. Corn says, "Palast wrongly assumes that an overwhelming majority of these ballots contain votes for Kerry." Now why would I think such a thing? Maybe because the precinct-by-precinct analysis of "spoiled" votes (those which machines can't count) by Professor Mark Salling of Cleveland State University, the unchallengeable expert on Ohio voting demographics, concludes that "spoiled" punch cards in Ohio cities come "overwhelmingly" from African-American neighborhoods. The Republican Secretary of State of Ohio does not disagree, by the way; he intends to fix the Jim Crow vote-counting problem in Ohio ... sometime after the next inaugural ball. The second group of uncounted ballots, "provisionals," were also generated substantially in African-American areas, the direct result of a Republican program to hunt down, challenge and suppress the votes cast in black-majority precincts. What happened in Ohio is one-fiftieth of a nationwide phenomenon: the non-count of African-American votes, about a million of them marked as unreadable in a typical presidential race. (See, Palast, "Vanishing Votes," The Nation, March 17, 2004.) I will admit, David, I can't tell you exactly how each of those disenfranchised voters would have cast their ballots. Indeed, one Republican statistician claims these uncounted ballots are cast mostly by African-American supporters of George Bush. Nevertheless, most of us conspiracy nuts on the Grassy Knoll hold to our wild belief that most black citizens whose ballots were spoiled or rejected tried to vote for the tall guy from Massachusetts.

Greg Palast is definitely a leftie but his isn't a liar. He is the journalist who broke Floridagate.

[Anniee]

Why would he assume most of them voted for Kerry?

Blacks are leaving the Democrat party as the economic boom moves them into the middle class and blacks were overwhelmingly against gay marriage.

And how is this part of some "systematic suppression" of black voters? The claim stinks to high heaven.

What. ever.

[Lou Minotti]

Blacks are leaving the Democrat party as the economic boom moves them into the middle class and blacks were overwhelmingly against gay marriage.

Middle Class Economic boom...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAA

[Anniee]

Apparently you weren't aware of the Dept of Labor and Dept of Commerce reports that came back earlier in the year which showed growth levels (GDP and jobs and so forth) that are unprecedented since 1984. Every single network reported it, though only if they could use it to bolster Kerry (by saying, "too little too late" or what have you.) I have names and institutes to quote; but I have to look them up manually; I know the economic guru of CNN was one of them, Tom Brokaw, and damn I can't remember any of the institute names. Generally independent economic institutes.

Home ownership is up, and blacks are most certainly among those moving up in the world, which is, one would think, a good thing. Generally it's only leftists who find that to be bad news; though I'm pretty surprised to see a libertarian (correct me if I'm wrong) who is so unknowledgeable about the economic landscape. Usually that's the topic we know best.

[bullshitdetector]

Quote by: Anniee ....Generally it's only leftists who find that to be bad news; though I'm pretty surprised to see a libertarian (correct me if I'm wrong) who is so unknowledgeable about the economic landscape. Usually that's the topic we know best.

Uh oh..someone is catching on, a wise woman told me recently that in a crowd of leftists who are losing ground in their arguments with the right you will find self proclaimed libertarians, and even conservatives who give it all away when they lend a word of libertine left wing catch phrases in their talking points. Anniee, you sly dog you!

[Lou Minotti]

I'm fully aware that the people defrauding you are telling you everything is great. "It's only leftists who find that to be bad news"? You don't sound like a libertarian. Inflated numbers don't hide the mountain of debt behind them.

[Anniee]

If you're talking about debt-spending I'm right with you. I still don't find minorities moving up economically to be bad news. Nor do I try to deny the fact of what even the minimal tax-cuts did for the economy. There's nothing anti-free-market in that. Free-market, common law (minimal government.) If you have more tied up in libertarianism, I don't know what to say; that's what I care about and it's what I espouse.

[PatrickHenry]

Anniee, if you are saying blacks voted for Bush, you got it wrong. Maybe as a group, they are doing better financially recently. I hope so. But voting for Bush? I don't think so.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120504L.shtml

No Black Breakthrough The Republican spin-meisters, as well as some "centrist" Democrats, are even claiming a Republican breakthrough among African American voters based on appealing to conservative Christian values. However, veteran political consultants Cornell Belcher and Donna Brazile counter: "Those who trumpet inroads by Bush into the African American vote ignore history and show a strong prejudice against basic arithmetic." The NEP concluded that Kerry won the black vote by an overwhelming 88-11 percent. Although this is two points fewer than Gore won in 2000, those two points are well within the margin of error of the poll. Even if correct, the results indicate that Bush received a lower percentage of the black vote than Nixon, Ford, Dole or Ronald Reagan in 1980. This outcome is even more notable when one considers that, according to a Nov. 17 public memo by Belcher and Brazile, fully 60 percent of African Americans in the key battleground states, where the Republicans messaged heavily against abortion and gay marriage, consider themselves "born again Christians." Their polling also indicates that, "The more likely African Americans are to be frequent church goers, the more likely they are to identify themselves as a strong Democrat." Clearly when pundits argue that the Republicans won by appealing to "moral values" or "evangelicals," they should really qualify their statements racially. Perhaps most importantly, Belcher and Brazile point out that more than three million new black voters thronged to the polls in 2004, accounting for more than 20 percent of the total voter increase. They also erased the traditional 6-10 point voter participation gap between whites and blacks and increased their percentage of all voters from 10 percent in 2000 to almost 12 percent this year. Black voters defeated the unprecedented Republican voter intimidation and suppression effort in the run-up to the election. Belcher and Brazile conclude that, "The real story is the reawakening of civic participation by African Americans in 2004."

And somehow, I see you as a Republican sporting a thin silver libertarian bracelet. Don't ask me why...

[OberonDOtherseid]

Because anyone who isn't chirping and clucking must be a republican, right?

[Anniee]

I didn't imply that more blacks vote for Bush than not. There is, however, a shift taking place, and blacks are moving away from the Democrat party. Not a large percentage at this point, but a significant number. One problem is the gay marriage issue, which blacks overwhelmingly disfavor. Another is the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, whom many family blacks do NOT see as representing them. Another is Bush's appointments of intelligent, competent people of color, without fanfare.

At any rate, it's just a shift that is taking place; by no means do I imply that it's universal or a huge percentage.

This is the last time I'm entertaining bullshit about my political views. I've described them fully and disclosed them fully. Nothing in my common-law/free-market/minimal government stance could possibly be taken as Republican (at least not as the party is today.) Further ad hominems of that sort will be ignored. (From what I can see, if I recall correctly you said you were Libertarian; all I see is a typical leftist with a slightly higher propensity to answer questions.)

[Anniee]

There are no "facts" in the MSN story except that a man made up a story about a $29 million dollar bribe to fix the election, and it didn't hold water even for the leftist press. Then he came back with an even crazier story involving NASA, Nigerian email scammers, and garden fairy gnomes perpetrating a fraud, and produced a $29 million dollar check. When they found out it was a fraud, he admitted it was a phony, and then claimed that even though the CHECK was a phony, the INFORMATION in the check was really true. That it was there so they would look at the people behind it.

Boy there's really some "mainstream reporting" of election fraud there, boy. I'm super-impressed. They had so many facts about someone trying to defraud us into believing there was fraud that they had to report on it...and hope like crazy there might turn out to be something to it ("I'll carry him on my shoulders to collect a pulitzer if that phony check turns out to mean SOMETHING that means Kerry really won")

LMFAO this is absolutely hilarious.