The instantous response of uneducated Republicans when called racist is to bring up the civil rights era. They say that the republicans fought for civil rights and democrats were against it.
But we all know those party names had different meanings back then. So I would like invite someone do a little research and finally debunk this argument. Are any of the "democrats" who voted against civil rights actually still democrats?
Last edited by pandasftw; 2nd May 2011 at 08:19 AM.
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Well let's see:
Franklin D. Roosevelt - Democrat - through executive orders 9066 and 9102 put 120,000 law-abiding Japanese Americans into internment camps. You didn't see him rounding up german-americans or italian-americans.
Roosevelt appointed Democrat segregationists Jimmy Byrns and KKK member Hugo Black to the Supreme Court.
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd, KKK member, voted against the civil rights act, served until recently. Byrd served as senate majority leader from 1977-1980, senate minority leader 1981-1986.
Senator Ernest Hollings, Democrat from SC, segregationist, while governor organized several states in opposition to the civil rights amendment.
Democratic senators organized a filibuster to defeat the bill, inclucing Byrd, J. William Fulbright, Al Gore Sr.,Sam Ervin and Richard Russell.
40% of House democrats voted against the civil rights act. 85% of republicans voted for it.
In 1862 a Republican President and republican members of congress, even facing nearly unanimous opposition by democrats, freed the slaves.
The idea that the republican party is racist is simply how a demonstrably racist party with a racist history (Democrats) point the finger elsewhere and scream hysterically in order to divert attention from themselves and their own despicable legacy.
This is what you can accomplish when you own the mainstream media: tell lies, and get people to believe it.
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I see you not only missed the point of his post entirely, but you were ready to jump at the opportunity to "point the finger" and "scream hysterically" about all the racist democrats, then turn around and accuse them of doing the same thing. The hypocrisy and ignorance is astounding.
There are plenty of racist republicans, find me a MODERN racist democrat
as noted the names have changed. Ofcourse people have been racist in the past as it was acceptable,
Many more Democrats voted for it than did Republicans. There were just many more Dems in the Senate and House at that time than Republicans.
The main opposition was from the South, and the South was largely Democratic. Therefore many Dems opposed it. But so did many Republicans, including notably the Rep. Presidential candidate, Barry Goldwater.
Despite the fact that there was some Democratic opposition, the bill was sponsored entirely by Democrats, led by the single-minded push of Lyndon Johnson, despite Johnson being warned that it might cost the Democrats the support of Southern states in the future, which Nixon made come true with his "Southern strategy."
Anyone trying to convince you that except with a few exceptions the Republicans then or later were supporters of the ciovil rights movement, is trying to deceive you.
Voting totals on the 1964 Civil Rights Act:
By Party: The Original House Version:
Democratic Party: 153-96
Republican Party: 138-34
The Senate Version:
Democratic Party: 46-22
Republican Party: 27-6
And how do democrats own the media? Do you remember the anti war movement getting much credit in 2003 because I don't.
That we're a multi-ethnic society has changed the political arena. If a politician is too openly racist, people might actually throw him out
of office (or her).
Grandpa h.
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Well done. You missed his entire point and failed to answer his question.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.--Napoleon Bonaparte
If the South was, as it is today, a lot more conservative than most of the rest of the US then it follows that the most racist area of the country was also the among the most conservative.
To what degree of intensity was racism also pravelent in the Midwest I wonder?
If we agree that "Democrat and Republican" meant different things then it follows that we would be better advised to anayze this in terms of broader ideology rather than through party.
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A lot of the time, America is still racist. I don't understand all of human nature, nor do I really understand all of the US, but I know (some of) the truth about the racist background of American society. I believe that racism, Holocaust denial, nationalist and religious hatred, etc. are going to appear for many years to come, to varying degrees of public approval.
Grandpa h.
Post by post, building his arguments by smashing a couple of theirs -- for America.
Anyone trying to convince you that the Republicans are by and large a racist party is trying to deceive you. The historical facts speak for themselves.
There are racists in both parties, but Democrats are the ones that constantly race-bait and accuse anyone who disagrees with them as being racist. They also work overtime to portray middle America and the south as racists. It seems you have fallen for it."You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent."
-Senator Joe Biden
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy... I mean, that's a storybook, man." [ Joe Biden, To the New York Observer in February 2007]
"You f***ing Jew b@stard." -- Hillary Clinton to political operative Paul Fray. This was revealed in "State of a Union: Inside the Complex Marriage of Bill and Hillary Clinton" and has been verified by Paul Fray and three witnesses.
'Hymies.' 'Hymietown.' -- Jesse Jackson's description of New York City while on the 1984 presidential campaign trail.
"I want to go up to the closest white person and say: 'You can't understand this, it's a black thing' and then slap him, just for my mental health." -- Charles Barron, a New York city councilman at a reparations rally, 2002
"Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them." -- Mary Frances Berry, Chairwoman, US Commission on Civil Rights
The Atlantic posted excerpts from the book that included a comment Bill Clinton made about Obama to then Sen. Ted Kennedy saying, "A few years ago this guy would have been getting us coffee."
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada described then-Sen. Barack Obama as "light skinned" and "with no Negro dialect." Obama is the nation's first African-American president.
"I'll have those n***ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years." -- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler's Book, "Inside The White House"
QUOTE: "White folks was in caves while we was building empires... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it." [- Rev. Al Sharpton, In a 1994 speech at Kean College]
QUOTE: "He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black."- Diane Watson (State Senator, D-CA) [Said about black conservative Ward Connerly in 1996]
QUOTE: "I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's not a n***er or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust, a n***er from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America." - Harry Truman [In a letter to his wife in 1911]
QUOTE: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."- Gealdine Ferraro [To the Torrance Daily Breeze in March 2008]
(I) "will not let the white boys win in this election." -- Donna Brazile, Al Gore's Campaign Manager on the 2000 election
"The old white boys got taken fair and square." -- San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown after winning an election
"We have lost to the white racist press and to the racist reactionary Jewish misleaders." -- Former Rep. Gus Savage (D-Illinois) after his defeat 1992
"The white race is the cancer of human history." -- Susan Sontag
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Instead of trying to convince us who is evil among Democrats, you should illustrate who is good -- or even vaguely good -- among Republicans.
Personally, I think the twoo-party systems should be tossed in the trash can where it
belongs. Their necessity is demonstrably false on a daily basis.
Grandpa h.
Post by post, building his arguments by smashing a couple of theirs -- for America.
First of all, your "historical facts" do not disprove the claim that Republicans are by and large racist, they merely confirm that there is also racism among the ranks of the Democrats. Somehow, I don't find this particularly surprising.
But you don't give sources for your quotations, so how are we to know they're true? And even if the people attributed to those really did say them, how do we know that's what they meant, when the quotations are all out of context? Some of those seem like blatantly racist things to say (although given that I occasionally make racist jokes among friends, and I suspect everyone does, I don't really find any of it particularly offensive or disgusting), but a good deal of them could easily be misunderstood. Does "white boys" really refer to race, or are some of these people referring to the notion that government is run by the "privileged few" with enough money and power to keep control in their hands? Is it racist for someone to find it encouraging that a black person could win an election when the political system in this country is almost exclusively white and racism was rampant a mere 50 years ago, to the point that blacks could hardly vote, let alone be elected? Is noticing our cultural progressiveness with respect to race racist?
Everyone is racist, that I will agree upon. Would you dispute the claim that racism is more rampant and more severe in the south than the rest of the US? This isn't about propaganda, this is a serious question. Do you think that racism is no greater in the south than anywhere else? If so, I would like to refer you to your own claim that the "historical facts" speak for themselves.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.--Napoleon Bonaparte
Liberals are not racist if they are they would be republican
Why can you not comprehend that the party's were different back then?
When President Johnson helped pass Civil Rights legislation in the 1960s he commented that: "Well, there goes the South." He meant, of course, that now the South would become Republican as they now saw the Democrats as the party standing up for the blacks.
Following the Civil War, the South defeated what little there was of Reconstruction when in a contested presidential election the Republicans under Hayes agreed to pull out Federal troops from the South in exchange for Hayes being president. After the troops wee gone, the whites took back any remaining outstanding power that blacks had and placed blacks in a new type of slavery: this one an economic slavery through the share-cropping system.
Southerners have traditionally dominated American politics to a greater extent than their proportional representation entitled them, because, although they were largely members of the Democratic party (because the South was poor), they could quickly shift their weight to the Republican party to pass conservative legislation or to block liberal legislation. They voted virtually as a block and this ability gave them legislative power. Southern Democrats were pretty solidly racist and voted to keep the racist system in place.
Following the Civil Rights legislation, the South temporarily lost some of its legislative power as its voters and politicians switched inexorably to the Republican party. This, of course, has made the Republican party even more conservative and racist than it had ever been following the death of Reconstruction.
The South also changed its religion. As the former Democratic South changed it allegiances in politics, so did it also start to change its allegiances in religion. In the days of the anti-slavery movement, when the Anglican ministers in the South would not support racism and pro-slavery sentiment, the South changed its religions to the more personal, evangelical religions whose ministers did support racism and slavery. An insistence on maintaining a racist structure leads also to an insistence on racists values and hence racist religions. Similarly, today's Southerners are abandoning the more staid evangelical religions for the highly personalized religions characterized by the phrase "born-again Christians." Whereas, many a Methodist or Baptist preacher would not now condone racism, the Southerners don't have to worry about this with their new preachers of born-again religion. With the abandonment by the Southern Democrats of the Democratic party, blacks became somewhat more influential in the Democratic party, because the party was now much smaller than it had been. As a result, the Democratic party is somewhat more liberal than it used to be.
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