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    You're really using that stupid comic to make the case for bashing unions?

    Why not just reform the union, rather than getting rid of them?

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    Quote Quote by: Dan74 View Post
    You're really using that stupid comic to make the case for bashing unions?

    Why not just reform the union, rather than getting rid of them?
    No.... I was using the comic as a prop to union thugs "drumming" or "thumping" a skull with shovel and boot... sorta like telling someone to stop drumming a certain beat. I'm sure AC got it.

    So tell us Dan74 how do we" reform the unions"?

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    Here is more on Race to the TOP

    States and communities across the nation have recently undertaken efforts designed to promote education reforms that are consistent with the principles reflected under the Race to the Top.

    Missouri became the 48th state, along with the District of Columbia, to join a national partnership led by the National Governors Association and the Chief State School Officers to develop a common core of new, rigorous college and career-ready standards in reading and math.

    California recently enacted legislation to enable student achievement data to be linked to teacher and principal performance. Indiana now permits the use of student performance data for teacher evaluation. New York is also considering similar legislation.

    Illinois, Louisiana, and Tennessee have all recently altered laws or policies affecting public charter schools to enable their expansion and success. Connecticut, Delaware, Indiana, Ohio and Rhode Island have recently advanced policies to preserve and strengthen public charter schools. Similar efforts are being considered in California, Idaho, New York, Massachusetts, Michigan and North Carolina.

    Delaware has recently developed a new system of teacher evaluation which incorporates student achievement and sets classroom goals for teachers evaluated through various measures of student learning and growth. The system allows teachers, principals, and school administrators to engage in a process focused on improving teacher practice and increasing student success.

    Austin, TX has developed an innovative approach to performance-based compensation and career advancement for teachers that rewards successful teachers who improve the achievement and growth of their students and who take on additional roles and responsibilities, such as mentoring new teachers.

    Educators and city leaders in Jefferson County, CO have collaborated to develop an alternate compensation system for teachers, focused on student learning, teacher learning and teacher leadership. The proposed system would include multiple measures of student learning and growth gathered from the state’s reading and math assessments, as well as incorporate incentives and goals for teams of teachers and a restructuring of the school day and possibly the school year.

    New Haven, CT recently ratified a new four-year contract for their teachers, including a new teacher evaluation system that considers student learning gains in the assessment of teacher performance and that identifies and provides interventions for struggling teachers through a peer-assistance and review program . To promote innovation, New Haven will promote a new process for changing traditional conditions in schools – enabling reforms such as expanding the school day – and will facilitate the conversion of underperforming schools into charter schools, where the school principal will select and build his or her instructional team.

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    Quote Quote by: rmnunez View Post
    When it supports your view its uncontrovertible proof, otherwise its manipulated 'spin'.
    From the oh so fantastic heritage foundation link.

    In a study published in 1990, for example, the Rand Corporation analyzed big-city high schools to determine how education for low income minority youth could be improved.2 It looked at 13 public, private, and Catholic high schools in New York City that attracted minority and disadvantaged youth. Of the Catholic school students in these schools, 75 to 90 percent were black or Hispanic. The study found that:
    Well lets have a look see at what the study actually says.

    Clearly, no study can demonstrate that one kind of school is best for all students. The difference among, particularly in parent, teacher and student motivation, do not permit unambiguous comparisons.

    Also read the methodology of the report.

    Typical Heritage foundation really. Cherry pick data that suits their purpose and ignore data that doesn't fit into their narrow view of the world.

    http://www.rand.org/pubs/reports/2007/R3944.pdf

    Thats just the first link and you can already see the misrepresentations.

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    Quote Quote by: Trojan_Ripper View Post
    No.... I was using the comic as a prop to union thugs "drumming" or "thumping" a skull with shovel and boot... sorta like telling someone to stop drumming a certain beat. I'm sure AC got it.

    So tell us Dan74 how do we" reform the unions"?
    The unions should reform themselves. Workers shouldn't be forced to pay high union dues, and they shouldn't be forced to join the union. Would antitrust laws work?

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    "81% of Fox News Reporters and Employees Donate Money to the Democratic Party" - Fox News Backlash: Pics, Videos, Links, News

    I see that any objective source of information or data given in these threads that calls into question the socialist dogma as "biased" or "having an agenda" or a "mission".

    All this does is demonstrate to those of us with a broad enough perspective to know better the extent and thoroughness of the symbiotic relationship between the government (the source of fiat money), "education", "academic research", the "news media" and the indoctrinated masses who are unable to draw the obvious connection.


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    Quote Quote by: kitten View Post
    "81% of Fox News Reporters and Employees Donate Money to the Democratic Party" - Fox News Backlash: Pics, Videos, Links, News

    I see that any objective source of information or data given in these threads that calls into question the socialist dogma as "biased" or "having an agenda" or a "mission".

    All this does is demonstrate to those of us with a broad enough perspective to know better the extent and thoroughness of the symbiotic relationship between the government (the source of fiat money), "education", "academic research", the "news media" and the indoctrinated masses who are unable to draw the obvious connection.


    "81% of Fox News Reporters and Employees Donate Money to the Democratic Party" - Fox News Backlash: Pics, Videos, Links, News
    Might as well learn now, I'm not a big fan of blogs either.

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    It seems we will never wake up to the fact that some kids are just dumb and we would be better off leaving them behind and saving our money, other students' time, and teachers' time.


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    Quote Quote by: Judicator View Post
    It seems we will never wake up to the fact
    that some kids are just dumb and we would be
    better off leaving them behind and saving our money, other
    students' time, and teachers' time.
    You have an independent will (to some extent), but that will is guided by the knowledge of previous generations, as well as living ones. What if these people abandoned you to ignorance and isolation? You would have some problems, to say the least. You might not even know what letters are, or basic math, or much of anything about anything. If removing dumb students is part of how a teachers' time is spent, they're not teachers at all but swindlers.

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    It is also true that even the best teachers, generously paid and provided with the finest equipment in splendid installations, can't make dumb kids learn.


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    Quote Quote by: rmnunez View Post
    It is also true that even the best teachers, generously
    paid and provided with the finest equipment in splendid installations,
    can't make dumb kids learn.
    That's because you can't always "make" people learn. You have to inspire interest, and teach by example. To a large extent, bad education is caused by take no charge and no
    responsibilty teachers. The artificial and soul-sapping nature of education is another factor. To students, even relatively fancy schools can look like factory buildings or prisons, if that is the climate inside. Also, you can't adequately gauge intelligence by grades, or by grade level.

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    I'm an experienced teacher, students need to be motivated for them to take interest and learn, its really easy, just relate the lesson to something of their interest. Nonetheless, particularly with adolescents (the very root of the word) there is often no interest in anything and a multitude of distractions.


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