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Paavo · Sep 1, 2003, 08:26 pm

http://www.gnn.tv

I know there are probably lots and lots of other "channels" out there...but I just wanted to know what you think of sites like this?
Do you find the information credible?
If, why? , and if not, why not?

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Sep 1, 2003, 08:39 pm

Having taken speech and being therefore familualar with suiting the layout to the approach you wish to take, the front page says it all.

fedfem · Sep 1, 2003, 09:37 pm

I think the site is informative. It is a good counter to Fox and Drudge and World Net Daily who pick and choose articles that reinforce their ideology.

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Sep 1, 2003, 10:33 pm

Like they do not???

fedfem · Sep 1, 2003, 10:45 pm

that is what I said--they counter with their own choosing that supports their ideology.

Jim · Sep 2, 2003, 12:18 am

So how is that any different?

This site has some interesting things that go under-reported occasionally, but a lot of it is just rhetoric.

The forum is just awful. I left it when it got too filled up with America-hating hippies and America-loving supernationalist trolls. And they were all about the 9/11 conspiracy bullshit back in the day.

Paavo · Sep 2, 2003, 05:32 am

Quote:

Originally posted by fedfem@Sep 1 2003, 09:37 PM
I think the site is informative. It is a good counter to Fox and Drudge and World Net Daily who pick and choose articles that reinforce their ideology.

Yeah, that's my thoughts pretty much too.

Of course they're strongly biased, just as CNN and such networks...
..and by no means should anyone trust sites like this (or any others for that matter) blindly.

Maybe one can find a bit more of a balanced truth when trying to calculate the junction of the two?

And being in a hurry, but someone said something about the front page or the site itself... well, CNN's got a popup ad on their site. x)

PatrickHenry · Apr 16, 2004, 12:55 am

Guerilla News Network is a pretty stylish location. I am sure our members in thrall with the current administration would find it untasty, but the opposition can find a number of items to their liking. My favorite feature is that you can watch alternative news videos set to modern music and they don't fear taking on unpopular subjects.

Here is a the current lead off of a long interview in print with Noam Chomsky
from: http://www.guerrillanews.com/war_on_terror...sm/doc3633.html
QUOTE In the lead-up to Operation Iraqi Occupation, the American news networks rolled out a small army of ex-generals, pro-Israel "Middle East experts," ex-CIA directors, and powerful right-wing politicians to back the President's case for war. On the other side, you had such eminent American intellectuals as former Saturday Night Live writer Al Franken, XXL satirist Michael Moore and slacker comedienne Janeane Garofalo, arguing the anti-invasion line. The voice of the American Left was reduced to a handful of jokers, literally.

Despite the lack of media exposure, Chomsky is at the top of his game. His slim book entitled "9/11" has sold more than half a million copies. He blew away a 15,000 person stadium full of cheering anti-corporate globalization activists at last year's World Social Forum in Porto Alegre, Brazil. Millions of college students still revere him as their hero. Bono calls him the "Elvis of Academia." His new book, "Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Domination" has just been released, and the response has been heady. A Business Week reviewer wrote, "With relentless logic he bids us to listen closely to what our leaders tell us - and to discern what they are leaving out...Agree with him or not, we lose out by not listening." He must be doing something right. END QUOTE

What I don't like about GNN is the black page background with white letters. Call me old fashioned, but it is a little harder to read that way...

Apr 16, 2004, 01:40 am

I think it is just a propaganda site and much worse then any mainstream news network.

Suburbanite · Apr 16, 2004, 03:24 am

From a Design point of view I think they try and make it seem like they are on some hidden server protected from the FBI when they are just as free to say what they say as anyone else. Gas Masks and pictures with similar symbols all over the place make me feel like some 16 year old oi skinhead punk whatever, not a politically realistic person.

castille · Apr 16, 2004, 09:45 am

Alternative News means "extremist news".

Like CNA - the Chinese Ultranationalist News service, proudly writing articles on the extermination of Japanese people.

dotcoma · Apr 16, 2004, 10:46 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,)
I think it is just a propaganda site and much worse then any mainstream news network.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

You should do at least a LITTLE bit of thinking each day. Have you read anything on the site? Maybe you could actually comment on something specific for once?

dalin · Apr 16, 2004, 11:42 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Jim,)
So how is that any different?
<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I think that's the point. they're methods are not necessarily different, but the ideologies they extol are.

I think restricting yourself on what sources you consider is more harmful than otherwise. True, some are less credible than others, but being able to entertain alternative thoughts, and then if necessary to find reason to disregard them, only makes for stronger, more intelligent views.

Apr 16, 2004, 02:05 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,)
I think it is just a propaganda site and much worse then any mainstream news network.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

You should do at least a LITTLE bit of thinking each day. Have you read anything on the site? Maybe you could actually comment on something specific for once?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Yes I did look at it. Very funny. Anyways, why won't you cut it out with the ad hominems? Go read the etiquette for once.

dotcoma · Apr 16, 2004, 02:10 pm

I'm waiting for specifics....

Apr 16, 2004, 02:12 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,)
I'm waiting for specifics....<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

You should be quiet. I can say whatever I want. What more do you want? Some feedback on the design? I think it is quite lousy. I could do something better then that in two minutes.

dotcoma · Apr 16, 2004, 02:17 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,)
I'm waiting for specifics....<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

You should be quiet. I can say whatever I want. What more do you want?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I want you to be specific. And you can say whatever you want. You've said so much already without really saying anything.

Apr 16, 2004, 02:19 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by

I want you to be specific. And you can say whatever you want. You've said so much already without really saying anything.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I already said I believe the articles this site publishes is pretty much propaganda and is much worse then mainstream news.

dotcoma · Apr 16, 2004, 02:26 pm

That's not being specific.

Apr 16, 2004, 02:31 pm

And you are being very nescient about this.

Sep 1, 2003, 08:39 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	Having taken speech and being therefore familualar with suiting the layout to the approach you wish to take, the front page says it all. Logical Fallicies Link

Sep 1, 2003, 10:33 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	Like they do not??? Logical Fallicies Link

Apr 16, 2004, 12:55 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,435	Guerilla News Network is a pretty stylish location. I am sure our members in thrall with the current administration would find it untasty, but the opposition can find a number of items to their liking. My favorite feature is that you can watch alternative news videos set to modern music and they don't fear taking on unpopular subjects. Here is a the current lead off of a long interview in print with Noam Chomsky from: http://www.guerrillanews.com/war_on_terror...sm/doc3633.html QUOTE In the lead-up to Operation Iraqi Occupation, the American news networks rolled out a small army of ex-generals, pro-Israel "Middle East experts," ex-CIA directors, and powerful right-wing politicians to back the President's case for war. On the other side, you had such eminent American intellectuals as former Saturday Night Live writer Al Franken, XXL satirist Michael Moore and slacker comedienne Janeane Garofalo, arguing the anti-invasion line. The voice of the American Left was reduced to a handful of jokers, literally. Despite the lack of media exposure, Chomsky is at the top of his game. His slim book entitled "9/11" has sold more than half a million copies. He blew away a 15,000 person stadium full of cheering anti-corporate globalization activists at last year's World Social Forum in Porto Alegre, Brazil. Millions of college students still revere him as their hero. Bono calls him the "Elvis of Academia." His new book, "Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Domination" has just been released, and the response has been heady. A Business Week reviewer wrote, "With relentless logic he bids us to listen closely to what our leaders tell us - and to discern what they are leaving out...Agree with him or not, we lose out by not listening." He must be doing something right. END QUOTE What I don't like about GNN is the black page background with white letters. Call me old fashioned, but it is a little harder to read that way... "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Apr 16, 2004, 09:45 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Alternative News means "extremist news". Like CNA - the Chinese Ultranationalist News service, proudly writing articles on the extermination of Japanese people. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Apr 16, 2004, 10:46 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,) I think it is just a propaganda site and much worse then any mainstream news network.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> You should do at least a LITTLE bit of thinking each day. Have you read anything on the site? Maybe you could actually comment on something specific for once?

Sep 1, 2003, 08:26 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	http://www.gnn.tv I know there are probably lots and lots of other "channels" out there...but I just wanted to know what you think of sites like this? Do you find the information credible? If, why? , and if not, why not?

Sep 1, 2003, 09:37 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
fedfem Igneous Magma Location: Northeastern, USA Posts: 606	I think the site is informative. It is a good counter to Fox and Drudge and World Net Daily who pick and choose articles that reinforce their ideology.

Sep 1, 2003, 10:45 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
fedfem Igneous Magma Location: Northeastern, USA Posts: 606	that is what I said--they counter with their own choosing that supports their ideology.

Sep 2, 2003, 12:18 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Jim Sedimentary Rock Posts: 24	So how is that any different? This site has some interesting things that go under-reported occasionally, but a lot of it is just rhetoric. The forum is just awful. I left it when it got too filled up with America-hating hippies and America-loving supernationalist trolls. And they were all about the 9/11 conspiracy bullshit back in the day.

Apr 16, 2004, 01:40 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	I think it is just a propaganda site and much worse then any mainstream news network.

Apr 16, 2004, 03:24 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	From a Design point of view I think they try and make it seem like they are on some hidden server protected from the FBI when they are just as free to say what they say as anyone else. Gas Masks and pictures with similar symbols all over the place make me feel like some 16 year old oi skinhead punk whatever, not a politically realistic person.

Apr 16, 2004, 11:42 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
dalin Molten Ash Posts: 118	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Jim,) So how is that any different? <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I think that's the point. they're methods are not necessarily different, but the ideologies they extol are. I think restricting yourself on what sources you consider is more harmful than otherwise. True, some are less credible than others, but being able to entertain alternative thoughts, and then if necessary to find reason to disregard them, only makes for stronger, more intelligent views.

Apr 16, 2004, 02:05 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,) I think it is just a propaganda site and much worse then any mainstream news network.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> You should do at least a LITTLE bit of thinking each day. Have you read anything on the site? Maybe you could actually comment on something specific for once?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Yes I did look at it. Very funny. Anyways, why won't you cut it out with the ad hominems? Go read the etiquette for once.

Apr 16, 2004, 02:10 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	I'm waiting for specifics....

Apr 16, 2004, 02:12 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,) I'm waiting for specifics....<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> You should be quiet. I can say whatever I want. What more do you want? Some feedback on the design? I think it is quite lousy. I could do something better then that in two minutes.

Apr 16, 2004, 02:17 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,) I'm waiting for specifics....<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> You should be quiet. I can say whatever I want. What more do you want?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I want you to be specific. And you can say whatever you want. You've said so much already without really saying anything.

Apr 16, 2004, 02:19 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by I want you to be specific. And you can say whatever you want. You've said so much already without really saying anything.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I already said I believe the articles this site publishes is pretty much propaganda and is much worse then mainstream news.

Apr 16, 2004, 02:26 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	That's not being specific.

Apr 16, 2004, 02:31 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	And you are being very nescient about this.