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PatrickHenry · Apr 16, 2004, 02:38 pm

Hey fellows, let's just comment on the thread or not. Once a comment has been made, members need not observe more. We choose which items to comment on...

dotcoma · Apr 16, 2004, 02:44 pm

I just want more than nay saying. These phony conservatives just use FOX NEWS speaking points and don't site anything specific.

dalin · Apr 16, 2004, 03:23 pm

I'm not sure about the way he asked it, but roxdog has a valid question. If he read the articles, he should have at least one that made him feel the way he does.

Gian:

You have the right to say what you want, but for the sake of debate and discussion certain things need to be said (e.g. evidence needs to be presented).

Apr 16, 2004, 04:02 pm

I'm giving my personal view on the site as a whole. I do not think it is credible.

dotcoma · Apr 16, 2004, 04:36 pm

Why? Be specific. This is ridiculous. Your personal view on what? You aren't giving us a specific example on what makes the site not credible. It's called critical thinking.

Paavo · Apr 16, 2004, 07:39 pm

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,)
I'm giving my personal view on the site as a whole. I do not think it is credible.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Come on, man. Just for once, give people something!

With that attitude every thread you participate in will become a "yes" - "nope" - "uhuh!" - "NO!!" - thing.

You DO have the right to your opinion yada yada blah blah, but if you can't even come up with ONE reason for why you built that opinion, then nobody will listen to you. That's why you're here, right? To have a say on matters?

The Black Flag · Apr 18, 2004, 05:12 pm

I havn't really looked at a whole lot on that site, it is helpful in the way of providing stuff for different political view-points, as far as I've read. I will tell you one thing though, it has a link to guerilla records with a rapper named Paris...he's bad as hell.

Catch 22 · Apr 18, 2004, 05:42 pm

it's newsvideos are pretty cool but I usualy get my internet alt news from better more substacial soruces like alternet.

PatrickHenry · Apr 18, 2004, 09:42 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by The Black Flag,
Paris...he's bad as hell.

Does that mean good? I'm too old to understand modern slang.

The Black Flag · Apr 18, 2004, 10:22 pm

Haha. Yeah, that means he's good.

SVMc · Apr 19, 2004, 03:26 pm

The layout and design are obviously meant to cater to a particular vantage point. But on the whole I think sites like this are good, I don't see them as any more or less biased than CNN - which isn't saying much because I think they are very biased. In any case I think it is the readers responsibility to assume that everything is written by someone and for someone and no information is objective.

That being said I don't like the fact that GNN and CNN both do not provide easy access to sourcing materials. One of my fav. sites is indymedia.org. And every time I have asked for factual data sourcing (no personal interviews) to be sent they have sent me more than I needed.

IndyMedia

Catch 22 · Apr 19, 2004, 04:07 pm

I like indymedia but the site organization is so completely out of whack. It's just a random splattering of articles some of, which are written well, others...not so well. For real high quality reporting on the web I’d have to go with salon, commondreams(It’s main feature is opinion but it has a great database of progressive news and interesting mainstream media stories) and once in awhile AlterNet has got some interesting investigative reports otherwise it’s mostly opinion.

Apr 16, 2004, 02:38 pm	#21 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,437	Hey fellows, let's just comment on the thread or not. Once a comment has been made, members need not observe more. We choose which items to comment on... "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Apr 18, 2004, 05:12 pm	#27 (permalink) (top)
The Black Flag Molten Ash Location: thomaston, GA Posts: 132	I havn't really looked at a whole lot on that site, it is helpful in the way of providing stuff for different political view-points, as far as I've read. I will tell you one thing though, it has a link to guerilla records with a rapper named Paris...he's bad as hell. Whenever citizens are seen routinely as enemies of their own government, writers are routinely seen to be the most dangerous enemies. --E.L. Doctorow

Apr 18, 2004, 05:42 pm	#28 (permalink) (top)
Catch 22 Igneous Magma Location: New York Posts: 374	it's newsvideos are pretty cool but I usualy get my internet alt news from better more substacial soruces like alternet. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, militarism and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered Martin Luther King Jr.

Apr 18, 2004, 10:22 pm	#30 (permalink) (top)
The Black Flag Molten Ash Location: thomaston, GA Posts: 132	Haha. Yeah, that means he's good. Whenever citizens are seen routinely as enemies of their own government, writers are routinely seen to be the most dangerous enemies. --E.L. Doctorow

Apr 19, 2004, 03:26 pm	#31 (permalink) (top)
SVMc Lazy Sniper Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 513	The layout and design are obviously meant to cater to a particular vantage point. But on the whole I think sites like this are good, I don't see them as any more or less biased than CNN - which isn't saying much because I think they are very biased. In any case I think it is the readers responsibility to assume that everything is written by someone and for someone and no information is objective. That being said I don't like the fact that GNN and CNN both do not provide easy access to sourcing materials. One of my fav. sites is indymedia.org. And every time I have asked for factual data sourcing (no personal interviews) to be sent they have sent me more than I needed. IndyMedia Capitalism is: Man exploiting man. Socialism is the other way around.

Apr 16, 2004, 02:44 pm	#22 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	I just want more than nay saying. These phony conservatives just use FOX NEWS speaking points and don't site anything specific.

Apr 16, 2004, 03:23 pm	#23 (permalink) (top)
dalin Molten Ash Posts: 118	I'm not sure about the way he asked it, but roxdog has a valid question. If he read the articles, he should have at least one that made him feel the way he does. Gian: You have the right to say what you want, but for the sake of debate and discussion certain things need to be said (e.g. evidence needs to be presented).

Apr 16, 2004, 04:02 pm	#24 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	I'm giving my personal view on the site as a whole. I do not think it is credible.

Apr 16, 2004, 04:36 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Why? Be specific. This is ridiculous. Your personal view on what? You aren't giving us a specific example on what makes the site not credible. It's called critical thinking.

Apr 16, 2004, 07:39 pm	#26 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,) I'm giving my personal view on the site as a whole. I do not think it is credible.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Come on, man. Just for once, give people something! With that attitude every thread you participate in will become a "yes" - "nope" - "uhuh!" - "NO!!" - thing. You DO have the right to your opinion yada yada blah blah, but if you can't even come up with ONE reason for why you built that opinion, then nobody will listen to you. That's why you're here, right? To have a say on matters?

Apr 19, 2004, 04:07 pm	#32 (permalink) (top)
Catch 22 Igneous Magma Location: New York Posts: 374	I like indymedia but the site organization is so completely out of whack. It's just a random splattering of articles some of, which are written well, others...not so well. For real high quality reporting on the web I’d have to go with salon, commondreams(It’s main feature is opinion but it has a great database of progressive news and interesting mainstream media stories) and once in awhile AlterNet has got some interesting investigative reports otherwise it’s mostly opinion. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, militarism and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered Martin Luther King Jr.