How do you base your TRUST in an official?

[Osborn F Enready]

Would a lawman, represent a trusting figure to you? A military man in uniform, who has served his nation and risen through the ranks the hard way maybe?


Well, how about putting that to the test Bush and Kerry fans?

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88 WEBSITES WITH EVIDENCE OF U.S. GOVERNMENT COMPLICITY IN 9/11





I said on my radio program Weds morning that if there is one piece of evidence that points to our highest level government leaders NOT knowing about the impending attacks on 911, please forward it to my e-mail address: Jack@cybrquest.com



Here are just a very few of the sites that show that our high level government leaders DID know about the impending attacks and did nothing to stop them, and/or were complicite in the actual attacks. Several of the sites are by good professional police investigators who the police investigator knows personally to be tops in reliability.



Remember, if you come up with any facts that show our top leaders DID NOT know about the attacks please send them to me and I will be honored to post them.



Military vet and Police Officer Jack McLamb, Ret.





http://www.911forthetruth.com



http://911index.batcave.net/911.html



http://www.911pi.com



http://911research.wtc7.net



http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pentagon



http://www.911review.org



http://www.911review.org/Sept11Wiki/911Enc...yclopedia.shtml



http://911skeptics.blogspot.com



http://www.911-strike.com



http://www.911truth.org



http://www.911truth.org/community.html



http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_03_02/...w_seismic_.html



http://www.americanstateterrorism.com



http://www.apfn.org/apfn/wtc.htm



http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pen.../erreurs_en.htm



http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/exp.htm



http://www.communitycurrency.org/9-11.html



http://www.conniescomments.blogspot.com



http://www.conspiracyplanet.com



http://www.cooperativeresearch.org



http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911



http://home.debitel.net/user/andreas.bunka...le/defaulte.htm



http://www.deceptiondollar.com



http://www.emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm



http://www.falloutshelternews.com/9_11_ODDITIES.html



http://www.feralnews.com



http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/



http://www.gaianxaos.com/SpecialReports.htm



http://new.globalfreepress.com/index.pl?section=911



http://www.globalresearch.ca http://www.gnn.tv



http://www.grandconspiracy.com



http://www.guerrillanews.com



http://www.gunsandbutter.net



http://www.hermes-press.com



http://www.informationclearinghouse.info



http://www.infowars.com



http://www.johnbuchanan.org



http://www.johnbuchanan.org/news/newsitem.php?id=1217



http://www.johnkaminski.com



http://www.leftgatekeepers.com



http://www.legitgov.org/9_1_1_oddities.html



http://www.lihop.net



http://www.madcowprod.com



http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq37.html



http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2002/How-T...-A-WarMay02.htm



http://www.nancho.net/911CW/MUinfo1.html



http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/



http://www.newsmakingnews.com



http://www.ny911truth.org



http://www.oilempire.us



http://www.onlinejournal.com



http://www.osamaskidneys.com



http://home.pacbell.net/skeptica/9-11bulletpoints.html



http://home.pacbell.net/skeptica/9-11list.html



http://www.peaceproject.com/stickers/quest...ionstickers.htm



http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart



http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/english.html



http://www.physics911.org



http://www.prisonplanet.com



http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archivepri..._knowledge.html



http://www.public-action.com



http://www.questionsquestions.net



http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/b...gle/bugle1.html h



ttp://www.radio4houston.org/takingaim



http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH



http://www.rense.com



http://www.rise4news.net



http://www.septembereleventh.org



http://serendipity.cia.com.au/wtc.html



http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa11.htm



http://www.serendipity.li/wot/best_911_sites.htm



http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.htm



http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wtc.html



http://www.911sharethetruth.com



http://www.sigacanada.com



http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/q.html



http://www.standdown.net



http://sydney.indymedia.org/front.php3?art...rticle_id=36354



http://www.takebackthemedia.com/bushnonazi.html



http://www.takebackthemedia.com/flash.html



http://www.takingaim.info



http://www.tenc.net/indict/911page.htm



http://www.thelawparty.com



http://www.thepowerhour.com/wagwtc.htm



http://www.thememoryhole.org/911



http://www.thewaronfreedom.com



http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown



http://www.truth-now.com



http://www.truthout.com



http://www.unansweredquestions.org



http://www.visiontv.ca/Archive/Archivesfr.html



http://www.whatreallyhappened.com



http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html



http://www.wtc7.net



http://xymphora.blogspot.com





-- Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all...

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All of this information obtained at:
http://www.patriotamerica.com/JackMcLamb/Index.htm

[Technosoul]

the 9-11 hearings said they would issue a final report about Bush and his White House staff, concerning their shortcomings relative to the 9-11 incident, but would wait til after the elections. I am still waiting, how long before that report is made public?

[Osborn F Enready]

Good question Techno, but I highly doubt it will be handled with any type of authority or dealt with in a "satisfactory" manner to most Americans.

[Leebert]

Considering the fact that several pages of the 9/11 report became classified information I doubt anything of real substance will come from the new report.

I'm rather ignorant on the laws/reasoning behind it, but how is it that our government is allowed to classify certain sections of a document like they did with the 9/11 report? If the government is allowed classify anything it chooses with impunity then how can we ever trust it?

[Section 8]

The problem is that the gov't is hiding behind the guise of national security, in order to hide their own guilt. We can't trust the government.

[Technosoul]

How to trust a Washington offical?

use.....

Blind faith.

Technosoul.

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by Osborn F Enready, Would a lawman, represent a trusting figure to you? A military man in uniform, who has served his nation and risen through the ranks the hard way maybe? -- Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all...

Neither of the above represent a trusted figure to me, sorry. Anyone who wears a certain label can go either way. Crooked Cop, psycho in uniform OR good guys who deserve all the respect they can get. I base my trust on observeable character and honesty.

"To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones"

I can't say I change the world, but I do what I can. This does NOT entail putting myself or my family at risk. You can do what you like but I'm not laying my life or safety on the line for a load of useless and apathetic morons, which is a good sized chunk of the American public. Go ahead and risk your life, and you can get the public to MAYBE say, "gee, too bad about that McLamb guy. So what's on the toob tonight?"

[bullshitdetector]

I agree with you Scribbler, there is only so much one person can do and to lay down for morons, why bother?

[Suburbanite]

For shits sake Ozzy stop putting so many spaces between everything

It is clear that anyone who does not believe that Muslim Terrorists perpetrated the suicidal hijackings on 9/11 is insane. If anyone thinks that the government should have racially profiled and targeted Arabs and Muslims to prevent them from boarding planes, that is a good point, they definitely should have and should be racially profiling today. However, they are not even doing that today thanks to paranoid left wingers, anarchists, "libertarians," and subversive organizations like the ACLU.

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by bullshitdetector, I agree with you Scribbler, there is only so much one person can do and to lay down for morons, why bother?

I understand Osborn's frustration, BD, and I actually agree with him on this. But is society wants change it will be made by large unified groups of citizens. The lone voice of reason in the wilderness isn't heard here as well as it should be and one man making a difference might work in Tiennamen Square but not here. Here we don't get arrested for having a web site like Volconvo but in China they DO. There is a difference in motivation for one thing.
The other thing is why I won't risk anything or anyone at this time. If there are millions of people who can't even bother to get off their asses and VOTE, much less pick up a newspaper, they aren't worth effort of ANY kind. When these goobers show any signs of getting off their asses I'll conside risking something.
Before risk there must be unity, and I don't see it yet.

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by Snouter, It is clear that anyone who does not believe that Muslim Terrorists perpetrated the suicidal hijackings on 9/11 is insane.  If anyone thinks that the government should have racially profiled and targeted Arabs and Muslims to prevent them from boarding planes, that is a good point, they definitely should have and should be racially profiling today.  However, they are not even doing that today thanks to paranoid left wingers, anarchists, "libertarians," and subversive organizations like the ACLU.

A fair point. So how do you think racial profiling would have stopped the hijackers? The authorities were looking for anything BUT box cutters it seems. I doubt they would have been pulled of the planes because of having them.

I'm also curious about these "paranoid left wingers, anarchists, "libertarians," and subversive organizations like the ACLU" you mention. Just how do these groups hold so much power over the government to block its ability to protect us? And since Osborn has provided so many sources, where is your source on these groups you mentioned?

[Osborn F Enready]

Scribbler, I don't mean to rehash old arguments here entailing my ideas of impending revolution. Simply put, I was only letting people know that there are those who have served honorably, for many years, within both the armed forces AND the police and sheriffs departments, who STILL and ALWAYS have taken their oath to the Constitution as what it IS.

Jack McLamb, Bo Gritz were both present and mostly responsible for making sure Randy Weaver came off of Ruby Ridge after B.A.T.F. units violated his rights, and murdered members of his family. They, like me, don't like to see violence to rectify a situation unless it is absolutely necessary. These people I respect and trust for their long and hard earned fight for truth and justice. I understand what you mean about labels Scribbler, but I really think these two go beyond that.

Did you happen to go the website I linked to? Jack McLamb is actively working across the country to try to unite and tie together sheriffs offices across the nation to put the Constitution before the federal mandates from the sitting administration. He is working to enlighten people to the propaganda they hear on television, and show them ways to find actual facts about what they wish to know.

I have blind faith in no one, except maybe my family members. I still trust McLamb and Gritz though, as I believe their lives dedication to serving the people is more than proof enough.

As far as unity being required before revolution, you are right.

This I think is one of the reasons you are seeing third parties mobilize an action plan for vote audit, and voter education and reform. They know if they are dealt with again as they were during this recent past election, and the votes are handled the same way, we may never have another chance for revolution.
If the system allows no form of public redress of grievances, allows no equal coverage of canidates, allows no public debate with ALL PARTIES attending, then our peoples voices are not being heard or respected, and that is a sign that unless changes ensue, liberty is lost. Liberty being lost, is a sign that revolution for those who cherish and respect liberty is imminent, regardless of popular belief, or popular sentiment.
All people are not needed for revolt, as you would find out from the participation numbers involved in the first American Revolution compared to the population at the time.

Revolt is the LAST STAND, and I believe in fighting for all those between now and that LAST STAND, with paper, pens and arms should it come to that.

[Scribbler1]

I did look at the website, and McLamb seems like a hell of a guy. Going back to trust, based on what I saw I would be inclined to trust him a bit quicker than most others, but I would have to know the guy better first.

As for the rest, we both know where the other stands on this issue and you know I agree with almost everything you say. I'm not apathetic but I won't be the one grain of sand on the beach to take a stand that is likely to harm ONLY myself. I'm very serious about the unity angle, and I am also fearful that opportunity might have been lost permanently.

[OberonDOtherseid]

Originally posted by Scribbler1, I'm not apathetic but I won't be the one grain of sand on the beach to take a stand that is likely to harm ONLY myself.

Sounds to me like a wise decision, Scribbler.

[Lava]

Sometimes it seems remarkable how inappropriately trusting / childlike people can be. They dont seem to possess the tools to evaluate people well, and routinely show little understanding of the wide variety and capacity of human nature.

Lava

[bullshitdetector]

This is what I think of conspiracy theorists too.

[Osborn F Enready]

The last two comments, had no statement of who they were addressing, nor any topic substance of debateable material.

Excuse me, but what were you trying to say, and to who?

I do not blame these guys for posting such pointless responses. I mean in reality they should just ignore this stuff as I do, but man do you lay it on thick. You obviousely have an agenda, and it simply alienates people here.

I mean you drown people with these huge starting topics. Don't the fucking rules state to keep it a little conscise?

Also, your links can be scrolled through and laughed at. Not one credible site in the bunch. I always have argued that people with self-interest can make bad arguements, but these are not the sources that would convince me that this is something being covered by a ton of different organizations.

[Lava]

Originally posted by Osborn F Enready, The last two comments, had no statement of who they were addressing, nor any topic substance of debateable material. Excuse me, but what were you trying to say, and to who?

Strange response. The topic being addressed was 'How do you base your TRUST in an official?' and it was addressed to those people discussing in this thread.

Lava