Was the 2004 Election Stolen?

[OberonDOtherseid]

I'm just waiting for the sky to fall.

[Osborn F Enready]

Buy a hardhat.... 8)

[OberonDOtherseid]

Made of tinfoil with a whirlybird just like yours?

[Osborn F Enready]

Actually Oberon, I prefer the spelunking helmets, as they are equipped with options. You can get sporty colored helmets, with lights and even the dual "King Can" attachment, with dual straws.

You could always check in to the climate controlled models, with built in A/C, or possibly the chem war model, with built in auto-drop chem suit.

Maybe you could opt for the High Security model, with a phalanx mounted to the visor, and a 3,000 round drum? They also make this in the automatic grenade launcher model of your choice, 37mm or 40mm.

Mine only looks like tinfoil....its actually reflective to radiate UV energy up to my information storage satellite, which homes in on the whirlybird as a homing beacon.

Also...pfffffffft.

[OberonDOtherseid]

I'm just a regular guy, I'll pass.

[Osborn F Enready]

Oberon, I am glad to see the suit of normalcy, the tuxedo of conformity, the pimp suit of the status quo, fits so well, and makes you so happy.

Rock on my brother....

[bullshitdetector]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Oberon, I am glad to see the suit of normalcy, the tuxedo of conformity, the pimp suit of the status quo, fits so well, and makes you so happy. Rock on my brother....

These guys cry about thread derailments and insults but they post this?? LOL

[PatrickHenry]

http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobus...heater268.html
Anybody want to change your vote yet?

[PatrickHenry]

Anybody read Wired magazine? Heh, this was on the last page of the December issue:

[PatrickHenry]

Conyers Report has been released:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/010605Y.shtml

Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong in Ohio Status Report of the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff Wednesday 05 January 2005 Executive Summary Representative John Conyers, Jr., the Ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, asked the Democratic staff to conduct an investigation into irregularities reported in the Ohio presidential election and to prepare a Status Report concerning the same prior to the Joint Meeting of Congress scheduled for January 6, 2005, to receive and consider the votes of the electoral college for president. The following Report includes a brief chronology of the events; summarizes the relevant background law; provides detailed findings (including factual findings and legal analysis); and describes various recommendations for acting on this Report going forward. We have found numerous, serious election irregularities in the Ohio presidential election, which resulted in a significant disenfranchisement of voters. Cumulatively, these irregularities, which affected hundreds of thousand of votes and voters in Ohio, raise grave doubts regarding whether it can be said the Ohio electors selected on December 13, 2004, were chosen in a manner that conforms to Ohio law, let alone federal requirements and constitutional standards... First, in the run up to election day, the following actions by Mr. Blackwell, the Republican Party and election officials disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of Ohio citizens, predominantly minority and Democratic voters... Second, on election day, there were numerous unexplained anomalies and irregularities involving hundreds of thousands of votes that have yet to be accounted for... Third, in the post-election period we learned of numerous irregularities in tallying provisional ballots and conducting and completing the recount that disenfanchised thousands of voters and call the entire recount procedure into question (as of this date the recount is still not complete)...

Still think the vote in Ohio is OK? The US is heading into darkness if we do not settle vote fraud now. Because we ONCE were a democratic nation gives us an aura of justice and honor that may now be unwarranted...

[moorecommission]

Concerning Ohio, I beleive John Kerry himself said that he didnt want to pursue the allegations.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: moorecommission Concerning Ohio, I beleive John Kerry himself said that he didnt want to pursue the allegations.

This is bigger than John Kerry, who doesnt really care to be President. This is not about what John Kerry thinks is best for America.
This is about What IS best for America, and that would be that every person be allowed to register to vote without having that registration thrown in a trash can because they chose the wrong party affilliation or have that registration "misplaced" in any way. This is about penalizing those who would commit such an act of treason. Next, each person who is registered to vote, and if hindered from voting in any way, the hinderer should be arrested for treason. Once each registered voter has cast their choice into a ballot box that vote should be treated as sacred and, regardless of race, sex or party or any other criteria of the voters entity, should be guarded as equal to every other Americans vote, until counted and legitimately and with great reverence tallied in their proper category.
This has not happened in election 2004, and I am ashamed that America cannot rise to a level of dignity to count , without prejudice, a vote.

We have a lot of fancy songs about America, that need to be postponed until we can learn how to count.

[moorecommission]

They did a recount in Ohio, but it turns out Kerry still lost, so I hope people arent trying to use Ohio as their case (I believe Bushes approx 11,700 lead was shortend by 285 votes)

Not enough to declare victory over Bush, But at least there was a recount and Ohio was settled, but some poeple dont seem to get that

[ericsp23]

I don't think anyone denies that more people placed votes for Bush then for Kerry on Nov 2 (well, some people probably do, but I'm not one of them; I haven't seen enough evidence of vote switching yet to convince me). The problem is that there appears to have been attempts by certain Republicans to suppress the turnout of people who were likely to vote Democratic, which is illegal. Is that enough to overturn the results? Probably not. But it certainly does call for an investigation, and if anyone is found to have intentionally suppressed voter turnout then they should be brought to justice. Failure to do so only encourages more of this kind of thing in future elections, and that should concern everyone, regardless of political persuasion.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: moorecommission They did a recount in Ohio, but it turns out Kerry still lost, so I hope people arent trying to use Ohio as their case (I believe Bushes approx 11,700 lead was shortend by 285 votes)

They did a selective recount of 3%. That recount was rigged by TRIAD and affidavits to that effect have been notorized and submitted to the House Judiciary Investigations lead by John Conyers. That recount is invalid. Another very valid point, How do you recount the thousands of votes of those who were disenfranchised by machine shortages and registration shenanigans?

Not enough to declare victory over Bush, But at least there was a recount and Ohio was settled, but some poeple dont seem to get that

Ohio wasnt settled and thousands of votes that were officially switched from Kerry to Bush, were not switched back.

[moorecommission]

how do you axplain the disenfranchisement of the military voters?

[PatrickHenry]

OK. It's over. The vote was rigged in Ohio. Kerry won, but Bush got the vote. Question: Why didn't Kerry want to win? I'll reserve my answer for later.

[Nono]

Perhaps he gradually became aware of the mess he would inherit, and the daily flailing he would receive at the hands of the corporate-owned media and Republican-dominated Congress. It would all suddenly be his fault.

This is speculation, of course, and in any case academic. After all, a concession speech has no legal force under the US Constitution. All that counts is the vote tally.

[gr8fuldaniel]

The election was just surface crap. A formality to make the people believe they actually have some say in who their King will be.
The election is only meaningful if it is legitimate, clean.
Have Americans been drugged into submission? Are they just Fat and Lazy?

Even though my state, California, gave all her electoral votes (55) to Kerry, my vote for Kerry didnt count because our sister state, Ohio, voted for Kerry yet through thousands of fraud and suppression events, was stolen by Bush. My Vote wasnt counted because their vote wasnt counted. I am ashamed to be an American.