Bye Bye Ashcroft

[Technosoul]

Ashcroft has resigned and the end of this term he will be replaced with a yet unknown person. He was famous for getting those amendments to create a pit-bulldog attitude towards domestics who became persons of interest in the war on terrorism. He rounded up hundreds of people who were not allowed access to lawyers or their family members, so they could be questioned and interviewed about their preceaved links to Bin Laden or other domestic groups who might have expressed simular views as those of Laden. HIs actions were directed by Bush with 90 percent of the Congress giving him the green light. However his aggressive take charge effectivness did generate a lot of dissaproval from some human-rights groups and from lawyers who were loosing money big time because they could not defend those people being arrested, and even the courts were unhappy about the lift on certain "rights". We did not have any terrorist attacks within our country during his guard.

But now he wants to leave office because other personal goals are more important then our homeland security, rumors are he might run for another kind of political office. So we might not have seen the last of Mr. Ashcroft.

No plans to change the Homeland Security Department and so much power remains in place and so he left some big shoes to be filled, not at all sure who Bush will appoint to man that high ranking office. No doubt that the Vice President and Ollie North will give thier in-put on that selection. I just hope they do not pick a total "nut case", but then, I am sure it will be someone with experience in being "hard nosed" (if I can use that expression) and very "right-wing". I would not expect a more moderate person or one who might weaken the authority of that department or that of the newly formulated Homeland Security Branch.

Hmmm? Is abortion a terrorist act upon unborn Americans? (Okay, that might be a reach, but) I can see a moralist as well as a anit-terrorist assuming the role being vacated by Ashcroft.

I did not provide a link for the news because I am sure all of you must have or will soon hear about it. The opinions and "spins" were my own and those those of any other news group.

Technosoul.

[The Dunedan]

Good! Now if we could just hang the treasonous loon...

Of course, the somewhat frightening question is this: who will he be replaced with?! Unless Bush re-hires Jihad Janet Reno, I can't think of too many people ( offhand ) who'd be worse than Asscroft....I hope we're not in for a nasty surprise.

[Technosoul]

Dunedan - well, how about appointing Ollie North, he already heped develope a few plains I hear.

Hey, how about that girl who supervised the elections in Fla during the Al Gore days? Or hey, what about his brother?

Or the "Terminator"?

Tech

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by Technosoul, But now he wants to leave office because other personal goals are more important then our homeland security, rumors are he might run for another kind of political office. So we might not have seen the last of Mr. Ashcroft.

Wants to leave? He is I think #3 in as many days to "resign". His reason is as transparently false as when a CEO is fired and says he is quitting "to spend more time with my family". It is tradition to say someing obviously false when you are fired, as it is traditional for the President to say what a great guy you were.
However, Ashcroft's explanation is as out there as it gets.
(According to the AP)
Ashcroft, in a five-page, handwritten letter to Bush, said, "The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved."

Has been achieved??????? Hoo boy! I think he deliberately said that whopper to let people know he WAS fired, as nobody could believe he meant it.

[The Dunedan]

Tech:
Now that you mention the little scumsucker, North could be worse than Asscroft. The others are just garder-variety Traitors...North deserves an especially lenghty and public hanging, the rest can just be shot.

Sorry, I just have very little patience for politicians who forswear their Oaths of Office.

[Young]

Thank God Ashecroft is Gone......

The New AG? Here He is......

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/n...sh_cabinet_dc_9

[Suburbanite]

Meet the new boss same as the old boss.

What has Ashcroft done that has directed affected anyone complaining about him?

What was so bad about rounding about Muslims who might possibly have links the slightly more extreme Muslim Terrorists? These sub-animals are not "war criminals" in that the do not represent a country;'s particular army, the represent the Arab Muslim "nation" and Muslims worldwide who are true Muslims who support the Jihad.

It is too bad the paranoid, left wing wackos persecuted Ashcroft they way they did. That is why some observers consider the left wing element in the courts, media, school system, internet, etc., "the enemy within."

[Pooeypants]

Can you get any more racist? Calling people "sub animals", and that's without the evidence to prove of their guilt.
The only one paranoid here is you and the neo cons, or rather, they want you and the public to be paranoid and in fear of terrorists. Remember the arrests in Detroit and Lackawanna of suspected terrorists? Based on completely circumstantial evidence and none of it lead to a fair trial, infact, I'd say it was a complete waste of money.

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by Snouter, sub-animals

This rhetoric is reminiscent of National Socialist propaganda circa 1934. http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/catech.htm

The goal of the Jew is to make himself the ruler of humanity. Wherever he comes, he destroys works of culture. He is not a creative spirit, rather a destructive spirit.

You seem to have some familiarity with Christian concepts. http://www.volconvo.com/forums/index.php?s...t=0&#entry78966
But you need to find some time to study how they can apply to your life and release you from hatred.

[Suburbanite]

Originally posted by Snouter, What has Ashcroft done that has directed affected anyone complaining about him?

I think that he is part of a collective group of people I, and others, call Christians who in their life time seek to denounce human kind as evil and manefest their concept of goodness in barbaric fashions such as teaching their mental dependancy to young unsuspecting children, set up a bogus status quo of normality in religion, define morals based on an archaic texts and seek to govern my life with them, and over all bring my quality of life down ten notches easily.

Other than that, he hasn't personally done anything to me, and I have no hatred for him on a personal level because of this. But what he stands for is in direct contradiction to the way in which I would like to enjoy my life. Plus he carries the genetic genes for homosexuality.

[Osborn F Enready]

Any moron that thinks the Patriot Act doesn't affect them, because it hasn't YET, is either incapable of reading the document, or cannot draw logical conclusions based on the current power structure of the system.

Waco and Ruby Ridge both happened well before the Patriot Act, and what exactly has been done to prevent similar, compared to what has been done to HELP CAUSE similar events?

Really, if you haven't read the Patriot Act, please don't espouse as if you have.

[harumscarum]

I am just excited because maybe now the breast of statues can be exposed. :)

[Technosoul]

I predicted before the elections that some key people in the Bush staff might resign because they know what is forthcoming with the possible (more then likely) impeachment hearings and they want to scram before the "dung" (polictially correct word) hits the fan. In order to distance their self from Bush and those who might have to take the fall for their handling of Iraq.

However, this is not the reason I am posting this message today, but rather, I want to get some opinions for this question.

Has anyone noticed that our leaderships in the political and the religious arenas have been taken over by a bunch of nuts? I am not asking this to be funny, but for real, are the really radical people becoming more popular and are they now coming to the forefront to run the think tanks of American opinion?

Where are the busness-like people we once had in Washington, I can recall a time when I did not even know what religion a President was a member of because it was never mentioned. I can recall a time when religions just talked about saving the soul or were busy raising funds to build a new annex for their church, or to open a mission in some needy place. Now it seems all about the enforcement of morality on everyone - world wide!

Was the world always run by the nutty few? Am I misstaken to think this is a current trend?

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by Suburbanite, Meet the new boss same as the old boss.

I hope not. At first glance this looks like the traditional act of clearing out the bad rubbish from the first term but it's easy enough to sneak in someone even worse, as long as he isn't too well known.

The small part of me that is the optimist hopes Bush has decided to try to unify the country as he had promised, but the pessimistic side worries that the next guy will be as bad or worse, but will know to keep a lower profile.

[bugsbunny04]

Originally posted by Snouter, What has Ashcroft done that has directed affected anyone complaining about him? What was so bad about rounding about Muslims who might possibly have links the slightly more extreme Muslim Terrorists? These sub-animals are not "war criminals" in that the do not represent a country;'s particular army, the represent the Arab Muslim "nation" and Muslims worldwide who are true Muslims who support the Jihad. It is too bad the paranoid, left wing wackos persecuted Ashcroft they way they did. That is why some observers consider the left wing element in the courts, media, school system, internet, etc., "the enemy within."

R U nuts? Sub-animals? Psychotic, sure. But these are human beings ferkrisesake! And what is all this crap about "true muslims"? "True muslims" arent the god damn problem. "True muslims" beleive that if you kill innocent people on purpose your are irrevocably damned to hell. Its the guys like Bin Laden who Adlib the Koran than are the problem. Arab Muslim Nation? As opposed to what? The White Christian Nation that likes to blow up places like the Ok. City federal building and abortion clinics and read books like the Turner Diaries? Paranoid, left wing wackos? Terror or no terror, continueing to beleive Franlkin's philosophy of "a man who would surrender his freedom for a measure of security deserves neither" is not a left wing wacko concept. As a matter of fact, it is something scorned by both the left and the right, and only embraced by libertarians. Just remember, it is the "left wing wackos" defense of the first amendment that allows you to demonstrate your ignorance.

For the record, Im not on the left or the right, Im outside the box. Libertarianism: All our freedoms, all the time. Translation: We arent after your guns, or your porn.

Ed. adds:

I almost forgot, did you know that John Aschroft approved a pamphlet that basically sais that referencing the bill of rights is grounds for being a "suspicious person"? I know it was brought to my attention on here, Im sure if you look hard enough you can find it. Basically, under J.A., quoting the document that sais this country exists is not speech protected its first ammendment, and is grounds for being investigated and interrogated by HomSec.

bugsbunny04

You don't know much about Islam do you? Let me be the one to inform you that one of the 6 fundemental duties of true Muslims is the support the Jihad. The Jihad involved killing all infidals which are non-Muslims. These sub-animals are do not consider any non-Muslims to be "innocent."

You don't know much about Arab Muslims do you? Bin Laden just happens to be one who has gained prominence in the Arab Muslim (and worldwide Muslim) world. More than half of Muslims around the world sympathize or openly support Mohammad Bin Laden. Arabs are very racist and nationalist. The Arab Muslims see themselves as a "nation" regardless of borders setup by the West in the middle east. you sound like a knee jerk, politically correct sap by bringing up the Oklahoma City bombing, which is only relevent as a Muslim Terrorist operation covered up by Slick Willie like Flight 800.

You're interpretation of that quote is bullshit. Franklin would never have approved invaders living in America to begin with. Plus, what law abiding US citizen who doesn't have ties to Muslim Terrorism has surrendered his freedom? By the way, the left wing wackos do not defend the First Amendment, they try to change it to conform to their attempts at anti-American activity such as anarchy, anti-Christianity, and pornography.

Let me be the first to inform you, you are a left leaning anarchist with a underlying paranoia.

I hope I wasn't too mean in my response to your PM, I just don't have patience for idiots who make knee jerk, false accusations.

To answer your questions: I do not like country music and I have never read the Turner Diaries.

Hope that helps.

---Elmer Fudd

[rcne]

This might just be Bush keeping to his acceptance speech promise.

This removes, at least a part of the perceived link to Evangelicals.

Bush might be true to his word of uniting the country. This could be a first step.

I know many Democrats will never accept their loss, but to the moderates, whom I assume are still the majority of the Democrats, this could be an example that Bush really is attempting to gain their trust, by being moderate.

[bishop]

talking about a religious war.... wasn't it bush who called this a crusade? doesn't bush use religion as the basis for his foreign policy?

when you wage a war rooted in religion, you are no better than your opponent. islamists killed some 3,000 innocents on 9/11.. how many tens of thousands of innocents have we killed in iraq?

Arabs are very racist and nationalist. The Arab Muslims see themselves as a "nation" regardless of borders setup by the West in the middle east.

likewise, americans such as yourself are equally racist and ultranationalist - i.e. fascist. americans like you see the world as their property, and war is merely a means to control what is "ours". i.e. oil.

you are the voice of extremism, and nothing more..


as for johnny... watch out for the doornob - it's heading straight for your asscrack!

unfortunately, the justice department will probably seek to further erode civil liberties under the guise of protecting the public. seig heil y'all.

[bishop]

I know many Democrats will never accept their loss, but to the moderates, whom I assume are still the majority of the Democrats, this could be an example that Bush really is attempting to gain their trust, by being moderate.

i am very pleased that bush removed perhaps the most unpopular member of his cabinet. at the end of the day, however, it's the policies that we care most about, not the man - while i didn't like the fact that ashcroft used public buildings for early morning bible study, i'm most offended by his advocacy for a police state.