Bush Whitehouse.....BOMBED!

[Young]

http://barbrastreisand.com/statements.html...usthavepatience

Small bit of heavy attack....

1. BUSH IGNORED THE ADVICE OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION REGARDING THE URGENT THREAT OF AL QAEDA.

2. BUSH IGNORED THE HART-RUDMAN COMMISSION TERRORISM REPORT, WHICH OUTLINED A RANGE OF U.S. SECURITY REQUIREMENTS AND STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES.

3. BUSH FAILED TO GET OVER 100,000 HOURS OF VALUABLE TERRORISM-RELATED TAPINGS TRANSLATED BY LINGUISTS AT THE F.B.I, A FULL 3 YEARS AFTER 9/11. IN FACT, JOHN ASHCROFT REFUSED TO ENDORSE FBI REQUESTS FOR $58 MILLION FOR NEW COUNTERTERRORISM FIELD AGENTS, TRANSLATORS AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYSTS.

4. BUSH HELD NO FACE TO FACE MEETINGS WITH HIS TERRORISM CHIEF RICHARD CLARK AND NEITHER DID DICK CHENEY WHO WAS HEAD OF THE TERRORISM TASK FORCE.

5. BUSH CONTINUED HIS VACATION ON THE DAY HE RECEIVED A BRIEFING ABOUT THE IMPENDING ATTACK ON AMERICA.

6. KNOWING ABOUT THE IMPENDING HIJACKINGS, BUSH DID NOTHING TO BEEF UP AIRLINE SECURITY.

7. BUSH'S ATTORNEY GENERAL, JOHN ASHCROFT, TOLD THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF THE F.B.I. TO NOT TELL HIM ANYTHING MORE ABOUT TERRORISM.

8. BUSH WAS INACTIVE AND INDECISIVE FOR A FULL 7 MINUTES THE MORNING OF 9/11 WHEN INFORMED OF THE ATTACK ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. IF BUSH HAD ACTED QUICKLY AND INTELLIGENTLY, PERHAPS HE COULD HAVE GIVEN AN ORDER TO SHOOT DOWN THE PLANE HEADED TOWARD THE PENTAGON AND SAVED THE LIVES OF THOSE WHO WERE KILLED.

9. BUSH INVADED IRAQ WITH THE RATIONALE OF IMAGINARY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND IGNORED THE REAL THREAT IN AFGHANNISTAN. NOW WE HAVE A TERRORIST BREEDING GROUND IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND OSAMA BIN LADEN AND ABU MUSSAB AL-ZARQAWI, A RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORIST, RUNNING FREE.

10. BUSH IGNORED THE ADVICE OF THE GENERALS IN THE MILITARY WHO PROVED TO BE RIGHT.

11. BUSH OPPOSED THE CREATION OF A DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.

12. BUSH OPPOSED THE CREATION OF THE 9/11 COMMISSION.

13. MORE THAN 3 YEARS LATER, OUR BORDERS, PORTS, AND NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS ARE STILL NOT SECURE.

14. BUSH SUPPRESSED THE RELEASE OF A CIA REPORT THAT LAYS BLAME UPON HIGH-LEVEL PEOPLE IN HIS ADMINISTRATION FOR NOT DOING THEIR JOBS IN A SATISFACTORY MANNER BEFORE 9/11.

15. BUSH FAILED TO SECURE NEARLY 400 TONS OF KNOWN, DEADLY EXPLOSIVES IN IRAQ, AND NOW THEY MAY FALL INTO THE WRONG HANDS TO BE USED TO BLOW UP AIRPLANES, LEVEL BUILDINGS AND DETONATE NUCLEAR WEAPONS.


Bush = Temporary

Barbra Streisand? You have to be kidding me.

Originally posted by Young, 1. BUSH IGNORED THE ADVICE OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION REGARDING THE URGENT THREAT OF AL QAEDA.

The Bill "Slick Willie" Administration is primarily responsible for tolerating Muslim Terrorism and hiding it from the public. Recall the 1993 bombing of the WTC, the destruction of Flight 800, and various other acts of Muslim Terrorism. What was the democrats' darling, Slick Willie's response to the 1996 declaration of war on America and Israel by Mohammad Bin Laden? Nothing apparently as they were concerned with more important issues such as denying the blue dress. It is crazy, left wingers like Barbra Streisand who are partly to blame. These subversives hypocritically complain about not securing the borders, yet are the first to make outrageous psychotic claims about living in a police state if there was a crackdown on illegal immigrants.

[Young]

Dip-UH - Just One, and thats BS, Dumbya knew the Taliban were giving comfort & aid to Bin Laden, after He Bombed the Cole, and still invited Taliban Reps to come to Houston & talk Oil Pipelines.......Try 2-14, but i warn ya, i got the BSdar, and I'm a Republican.....Locked & Loaded

Demlibs - Give Us Our Guns & Drop the Homosexuals....and we'll let you send Bush to Prison......

[Mr.Vicchio]

Young, you're just mad that your boy Kerry lost.

Bush didn't have time to do much,a nd had he tried to, the powerset in Washingont prior to 9/11 was just that, pre-9/11 thinking.

Get over. Bush didn't let anyhting happen.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Strawman. What the f*ck does Clinton have to do with the topic?
Then you didnt address any of the content of Youngs post, you attack the source. Weak.

Edit to add: ooops! Jumped the gun didnt read the quote from young that you included. I thought it was just another of the frequent Clinton bashings to change the subject. Sorry

[harumscarum]

I agree with Bush on #11. Homeland Security is nothing but a bureaucratic waste. I think Barbara is just bitter

[Young]

Ok well one minute He's against it & then He's for it......

Then Bush appoints Ridge (old friend) & whenever Bush needs a lil help, Ridge announces a Terror threat and or changes the Color.

I don't agree with the likes of Barb, but even Staunch Republicans & Evangelicals, such as Paul Stanley.....are moving against Bush now, and they use the same Bullets (1-15) to fire on Bush's rep....then after they have People semi sorda un brainwashed.......they throw the social & Economic Issues at the People, and its like someone's clapped their hands and the People come out of it, and the really wild thing is, they don't move to the Dem's side or become Kerry fans.....someone above V i think says my boy Kerry, He means Dumbya's boy Kerry, Dumbya's Frat brother/Cousin, I was hoping for the Electoral tie, where it would be 269 each and go to the Senate.....then i was hoping the Senate would deadlock in another Tie, which under this scenario, both Bush & Kerry are tossed aside, and the Congress Votes on a VP.....who becomes the President Protempe......I was Hoping Edwards would get it.

Did anyone catch the 38.1 Billion given to the Families of Victims on 9/11? Some of those Families are banding their money together, and they're going to use it to Pursue a court case against Bush, which has been filed and it lists charges against His entire admin....they just got that money, watch whats about to happen.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Young, Did anyone catch the 38.1 Billion given to the Families of Victims on 9/11? Some of those Families are banding their money together, and they're going to use it to Pursue a court case against Bush, which has been filed and it lists charges against His entire admin....they just got that money, watch whats about to happen.

Do you have a link for that? I did just read an article about it, but I was under the impression they had to sign a waiver, a promise not to sue, before they could get any money.
I guess they could still donate to Ellen Mariani's law suit. Clever. They just cant be named as plaintiffs.

They still might get in trouble depending on the wording of the waiver.
Gotta Link?

[Young]

No link, saw it on Msnbc,,,,,,,

Many other things can be done other than a lawsuit, remember, these people as a group, are playing with 700 Million......and they think Bush was responsible for the deaths of their loved ones....we'll have to keep an eye on that.

[gr8fuldaniel]

They could use it for a recount in Florida.
Actually I think part of that is free under the Sunshine law. Getting to the main computers where the real problem is , they may have to go through Jeb.

[Osborn F Enready]

Once again the old republican two-step. Its called blame a democrat, and avoid the issues. Much like the Democrat two-step. It's called blame a Republican, and avoid the issues.

They are the same, but different. ROFLMAO

I would say, read the definition of insanity.

Doing the same thing, the same way, repeatedly, and each time expecting a different result.

You guys are doing a good job of this, I mean you republican/democrats.

[Sonart]

Originally posted by Snouter+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snouter)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>The Bill "Slick Willie" Administration is primarily responsible for tolerating Muslim Terrorism and hiding it from the public.[/b]

Falling for the rightwing nonsense, are we? Clinton actually worked on a variety of initiatives to combat terrorists, but he was dealing with a strong and wily enemy...

...the Republican Congress.

Clinton had to get busy right away, with the first attack on the World Trade Center occuring about a month after Clinton took office. So the first order of business was to capture, try and convict the perpetrators, Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim and Wali Amin Shah, all now behind bars. You can visit them.

Clinton's administration went on to stop terrorist plots to: kill the Pope, blow up 12 U.S. airliners, the UN headquarters, the FBI building, the Israeli embassy in Washington, the LA and Boston airports, the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the George Washington bridge and an attack on the U.S. embassy in Tanzania.

Clinton was able to do this after he tripled the counter-terrorism budget for the FBI and doubling counter-terrorism funding overall, along with creating a national security office to coordinate counter-terrorism efforts.

Now of course you'd think the Republicans in Congress would be right there, helping our president fight the evils of terrorism. Well, not exactly. When Clinton proposed increasing our intellegence agencies wiretap authority. Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich shot it down. His reasoning? ''When you have an agency that turns nine hundred personal files over to people like Craig Livingstone... it's very hard to justify giving that agency more power.'' That would be a reference to 'Filegate', remember? Yet another Clinton 'Scandal' that congressional investigation proved groundless. We can see where the Republican priorities were.

When Clinton asked Congress for more funds for anti-terrorism efforts, Orrin Hatch said, ''The administration would be wise to utilize the resources Congress has already provided before it requests additional funding.''

When Clinton backed legislation to expand access to banking records, in order to follow illegal money trails, it was killed, on behalf of big banks, by Republican Senator Phil Gramm of Texas. George Bush will later call for identical legislation.

When Clinton appointed the Gore Commission to review and make recommendations regarding terrorist threats to our airlines, the airline industry vigorously lobbied against it through the GOP run committees as 'too expense'.

And when Clinton supported legislation to make it easier to trace Internet traffic and fight cyber-terrorism, the Republican congress howled. To be fair, so did the far left, who saw the bill as a "plan to strengthen the repressive powers of the federal government".

(Kindly note that since 9/11, Bush and John Ashcroft have pushed legislation for each of these issues.)

Gingrich, however, was more supportive when Clinton hit Sudan and Afghanistan with Tomahawks in 1998. ''The President did exactly the right thing,'' he said. ''By doing this we're sending the signal there are no sanctuaries for terrorists.''

After the embassy bombings in Africa, Clinton issued a directive authorizing the assassination of Osama bin Laden. Alas, the Republicans didn't like that. Seems it conflicted with Saint Ronald's executive order 12333 prohibiting the assassination of heads of state. The fact that Osama bin Laden was not a head of state apparently went right past them.

Then, after the Cole bombing, instead of funding the terrorists like Reagan or ignoring them like Dubya (pre-9/11, of course) Clinton appointed Richard Clarke as the first national anti-terrorism coordinator, tasked with creating a plan to take out al-Queda. He came up with a plan to break up al-Queda cells, arrest their personnel, attack their financial support, freeze their assests, give aid to countries fighting terrorists, and increase covert activity in Afghanistan to wipe out training camps and capture bin Laden. As a Bush official said, Clarke's plan amounted to ''everything we've done since 9/11.''

Then a horrible thing happened. George Dubya Bush took office. From the moment he took office, his administration completely ignored efforts to combat terrorism, prefering to focus on... here it comes... missile defense. Star Wars.

During the transition, NSA Sandy Berger arranged 10 briefings with Bush's new NSA, Condoleeza Rice, assuming they'd realize the threat of terrorist attacks and want to continue Clinton's work.

Nope. In fact, when TIME magazine asked Rice, she ''declined to comment, but through a spokeswoman said she recalled no briefing at which Berger was present''. Unfortunately, the New York Times did a story at the time. Quote: ''As he prepared to leave office last January, Mr. Berger met with his successor, Condoleeza Rice, and gave her a warning. ACCORDING TO BOTH OF THEM, he said that terrorism -- and particularly Mr. bin Laden's brand of it--would consumme for more of her time than she had ever imagined.''

The final ingominy came in February of 2001, when the Hart-Rudman commission issued their final report. In it, they warned that ''mass-casualty terrorism directed against the U.S. homeland was of serious and growing concern.'' Their advice? Create a new federal agency, ''A National Homeland Security Agency with responsibility for planning, coordinating, and integrating various U.S. government activities involved in homeland security.''

Bush's response? Zip! Zilch! Nada! Nicht!

Nope, Bush was busy spending 42% of his first seven months in office either at Camp David, Kennebunkport or Crawford, Texas, spending important quality time with his wife and his dog. Not until after 9/11 did Bush decide to put in action everything that Clinton's team had tried so hard to get past Republicans.

Ironical, huh!"

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Bush didn't have time to do much,a nd had he tried to, the powerset in Washingont prior to 9/11 was just that, pre-9/11 thinking.[/quote]
Just in the Bush administration, as I've pointed out above. Clinton was very focused on terrorism and told the Bush people so. They completely ignored him.

[Young]

Yea they did, they had a Plan.....9/11

[OberonDOtherseid]

They all blame each other. I agree with Vicchio when he said "Bush didn't have time to do much, and had he tried to, the powerset in Washingont prior to 9/11 was just that, pre-9/11 thinking." Clinton operated the same way to the point where he ignored his own advisors.

[Milton Bradley]

I agree with Osborn, its the Old Washington Two Step.


Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

[Scribbler1]

There are also those who believe not Bush, but his people were behind all this. Say what you want about the man, but while he comes across as a fairly nice guy he doesn't impress too many people with his vast intellect. I honestly don't see "Evil Genuis Mastermind" in his resume.

[Milton Bradley]

I don't suppose puppet is possible with you either?


Lets face it, Daddy ran the CIA, the man held political office, his brother holds political office, the Bush involvment in the Savings, and Loan Scandle, Prescot Bush, and the Trading With The Enemy Act, these people are connected.


How many coincidences are too many?


My answer, three.


Any more than three coincidences in any given place, and one should look clearly for the people that would profit under such circumstances. The old follow the money concept.


The answer I am looking for right now is, who does not want e-mail to be a legitamate way to comunicate?


Looks like the one who would profit here would be....


Thats right, the Federal Government Wouldn't want everybody to quit buying stamps now, would we.


Americans, and their absolute refusal to think for themselves astounds me... but then I guess we didn't have corruption Flash Cards, did we?


Sorry for going off topic a little there.

[Young]

Whats i'm trying to understand is how you can show the far more than 3 "weird" links & outright "are they not in Prison yet" coincidences......to Bushies and they don't refute the claims they "all" do 2 things

1 - !!!Conspiracy!!! Tin Foil Hats!!!!!!!
2 - Attack Clinton/Kerry

Thats the standard

Barb listed 15 bullet points.....Bushies have countered none of them, but here in this post they have very quickly attacked Clinton, which ok fine go ahead, but does that mean they know that Bush is a joke?

[Young]

Whats i'm trying to understand is how you can show the far more than 3 "weird" links & outright "are they not in Prison yet" coincidences......to Bushies and they don't refute the claims they "all" do 2 things

1 - !!!Conspiracy!!! Tin Foil Hats!!!!!!!
2 - Attack Clinton/Kerry

Thats the standard

Barb listed 15 bullet points.....Bushies have countered none of them, but here in this post they have very quickly attacked Clinton, which ok fine go ahead, but does that mean they know that Bush is a joke?

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by Snouter, The Bill "Slick Willie" Administration is primarily responsible for tolerating Muslim Terrorism and hiding it from the public. Recall the 1993 bombing of the WTC, the destruction of Flight 800, and various other acts of Muslim Terrorism. What was the democrats' darling, Slick Willie's response to the 1996 declaration of war on America and Israel by Mohammad Bin Laden? Nothing apparently as they were concerned with more important issues such as denying the blue dress. It is crazy, left wingers like Barbra Streisand who are partly to blame. These subversives hypocritically complain about not securing the borders, yet are the first to make outrageous psychotic claims about living in a police state if there was a crackdown on illegal immigrants.

Your debate style is execrable, Snouter. I don't agree with your politics, but that's why I like volconvo--There are opponents for my own (nearly always correct ) point of view.

But you also seem to have a few problems with facts: What does Flight 800 have to do with Islamic Terror? http://flight800.org/ Is there some new twist on one of my favorite conspiracies?

And a declaration of war by a pipsqueak like Osama(not Mohammed) Bin Laden actually set off quite a response. It was met with a stony wall when Bush took office. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/...ain607356.shtml
It seems that missile defense and a war against Iraq were of higher priority. And lest you forget, the FBI was implicated in the '93 attack on the WTC. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/P...OK/wtcbomb.html
So says the NY Times...

Your debate style sucks because you don't source your arguments as well as having a few of your facts wrong. But say with it. I love having opponents and I think you have potential...