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Nov 6, 2004, 02:56 am

Under this so-called UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, the UN corruption has been unrestrained. Even Kofi's son got in on the "oil for food" action with Saddam, and now he is "advising" that US allied troops (with civilized Iraqis) not to destroy the Muslim Terrorists in Falluja. What is wrong with this sick SOB, Kofi, and why the hell isn't he arrested?

Dieval · Nov 6, 2004, 03:19 am

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Originally posted by Snouter,
Under this so-called UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, the UN corruption has been unrestrained. Even Kofi's son got in on the "oil for food" action with Saddam, and now he is "advising" that US allied troops (with civilized Iraqis) not to destroy the Muslim Terrorists in Falluja. What is wrong with this sick SOB, Kofi, and why the hell isn't he arrested?

Is there an article about that? I haven't heard anything...

**Pooeypants** · Nov 6, 2004, 05:45 am

Unless you can find direct evidence of Kofi Annan's involvement in OFF corruption, you have no reason to doubt his credibility. I do believe you're refering this;

"UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has sent a letter to the leaders of the US, UK and Iraq expressing concern that the planned assault on the Iraqi city of Falluja could undermine elections due in January.

Here are excerpts from his letter:

" Iraq is approaching a decisive moment in its history - the elections which, as you know, are due to be held in three months' time.

The United Nations is committed to doing everything possible, as circumstances permit, to support Iraqi efforts to hold credible elections and, more broadly, to assist with Iraq's political transition...

I believe that the forthcoming elections are the keystone in a broader process to restore stability and legitimacy in Iraq.

If the January 2005 elections are to contribute to this critically important objective, and not to fuel further divisions and instability, it is essential that current efforts to attract a broader spectrum of Iraqis to join the political process should succeed.

Inclusiveness 'key'

Persuading elements who are currently alienated from, or sceptical about, the transition process to compete politically is key to creating a political and security context that will inspire confidence among all Iraqis in the process and allow the full participation of all segments of society in the elections...

Against this backdrop, I wish to share with you my increasing concern at the prospect of an escalation in violence, which I fear could be very disruptive for Iraq's political transition.

I have in mind not only the risk of increased insurgent violence, but also reports of major military offensives being planned by the multinational force in key localities such as Falluja.

I wish to express to you my particular concern about the safety and protection of civilians. Fighting is likely to take place mostly in densely populated urban areas, with an obvious risk of civilian casualties...

Of course, I understand that there is an imperative need to restore security throughout Iraq. But I equally believe that, ultimately, the problem of insecurity can only be addressed through dialogue and an inclusive political process.

Willing to help

The threat or actual use of force not only risks deepening the sense of alienation of certain communities, but would also reinforce perceptions among the Iraqi population of a continued military occupation.

I believe that these concerns are particularly relevant in light of the various initiatives that are being taken to address, through political dialogue, the grievances of certain Iraqi constituencies... It seems to me essential that the interim Iraqi government and the coalition should seize such opportunities...

I, and all my colleagues at the United Nations Secretariat, want to help. But we need a conducive environment if elections are to produce a positive effect.

This is the moment for redoubling efforts to break the cycle of violence and open a new chapter of inclusiveness and national reconciliation... "

So why should he be arrested? Because he doesn't think we should go into all situations with guns blazing left and right? I hope you've made some mistake and misinterpreted his letter otherwise you are one very misguided individual.

gr8fuldaniel · Nov 6, 2004, 09:38 am

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Originally posted by snouter+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (snouter)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>What is wrong with this sick SOB, Kofi, and why the hell isn't he arrested? [/b]

You obviously think death is better than life and it is in Americas best interest to go half way around the world liberating people from their bodies. The nerve of Kofi Annan to speak out against any massacre we deem necessary to the profit of American Corporations that the Bush Cabinet has direct ties to.

Why do you think an election would change anything, anyway?
Look at us, the vote wasnt even counted yet and the leading contender for regime change here stepped down in an act proving (at least to me) a a well-rooted connection to the incumbent.

You are welcome to defend whether or not Bush and Kerry actually have the best interests of America at heart, or if they just want to secure power for their two-party, two iron fists of the same body politick.

Our leaders have a globalist agenda and it doesnt involve the democracy of Iraq. It is that they remain in control of resources and the people of Iraq are a mere inconvenience. A strategery position for Armegeddon and Middle East geopolitical and corporate concerns. War is good business, its all about profit driven policy.

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How can we force democracy on somebody else when it escapes us on a seasonal, consistant basis?

It takes a real shitty candidate to lose to an idiot mass murderer like Bush. Or a fixed election. Why do you think any election staged overseas by these monsters would be any different from ours, here at home?

bishop · Nov 6, 2004, 10:28 am

and even if kofi was involved in the scandal - what in the hell does that have to do with his comments on fallujah???

JustinGilmore · Nov 6, 2004, 02:55 pm

If they can prove that he was scanadals then he should be arrested, but I haven't seen or heard of any hard proof or evidence really

Dieval · Nov 6, 2004, 04:04 pm

I guess Kofi missed the part where the Iraqi security forces - AIDED BY THE USE FORCES - are going to stop the insurgents in Falluja.... Or maybe if the insurgents were willing to negotiate and listen to reason there wouldn't be the need for violence...

bishop · Nov 6, 2004, 05:09 pm

some people think that we run the show and that alawi is nothing more than our puppet...

Dieval · Nov 6, 2004, 06:20 pm

some people don't..

bishop · Nov 6, 2004, 07:21 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pd..._iraqsurvey.pdf

0.2% of iraqis trust alawi.

Dieval · Nov 6, 2004, 11:44 pm

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Originally posted by bishop,
0.2% of iraqis trust alawi.

And Saddam got 100% of the vote..what's your point?

bishop · Nov 6, 2004, 11:55 pm

you're comparing saddam's sham election to a broad and independently conducted survey on the iraqi public???

at least compare apples to apples!!!

3.3% of iraqis favored saddam according to the survey.

Dieval · Nov 7, 2004, 02:32 am

Quote:

Originally posted by bishop,
you're comparing saddam's sham election to a broad and independently conducted survey on the iraqi public???

at least compare apples to apples!!!

3.3% of iraqis favored saddam according to the survey.

And the majority was not sure..(36.7%)...maybe we should give it some more time to work on the problems that are there bofore making judgements...

**Pooeypants** · Nov 7, 2004, 06:41 am

Back to the original thread question, do we have enough evidence to arrest Kofi Annan and charge him?

Gorgo · Nov 7, 2004, 07:00 am

For what? Calling Bush a criminal? He should be given an award for saying that much.

castille · Nov 7, 2004, 07:16 am

I don't think Kofi needs to be arrested (remember you can't arrest stupid people). However I recall he was in charge of UN forces during the 1994 Rwandan "lets pretend nothing happened" fiasco. So I wouldn't really think he is in much position to be leading the UN in the first place.

bishop · Nov 7, 2004, 10:06 am

bill clinton should be the u.n. secretary general...

Gorgo · Nov 7, 2004, 10:31 am

Bill Clinton dealing with world peace? The guy who attacked Sudan, choked the people of Iraq and helped to take Yugoslavia apart?

bishop · Nov 7, 2004, 10:40 am

you will blindly oppose anyone who's ever use the military gorgo.. saddam choked the people of iraq. and the u.n. failed in the balkans, allowing genocide to continue right before their eyes. i'm glad that clinton listened to joe biden's advice and moved to put an end to it. are you impartial to genocide gorgo?

edit...

the sort of person you're advocating is no different than another annan... and such a secretary general would be viewed as powerless, just like annan.

Gorgo · Nov 7, 2004, 11:04 am

You are misinformed, but I'm not sure that Clinton understood that he was committing crimes in the way that Bush has to understand that he is a criminal.

Nov 6, 2004, 05:45 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,541	Unless you can find direct evidence of Kofi Annan's involvement in OFF corruption, you have no reason to doubt his credibility. I do believe you're refering this; "UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has sent a letter to the leaders of the US, UK and Iraq expressing concern that the planned assault on the Iraqi city of Falluja could undermine elections due in January. Here are excerpts from his letter: " Iraq is approaching a decisive moment in its history - the elections which, as you know, are due to be held in three months' time. The United Nations is committed to doing everything possible, as circumstances permit, to support Iraqi efforts to hold credible elections and, more broadly, to assist with Iraq's political transition... I believe that the forthcoming elections are the keystone in a broader process to restore stability and legitimacy in Iraq. If the January 2005 elections are to contribute to this critically important objective, and not to fuel further divisions and instability, it is essential that current efforts to attract a broader spectrum of Iraqis to join the political process should succeed. Inclusiveness 'key' Persuading elements who are currently alienated from, or sceptical about, the transition process to compete politically is key to creating a political and security context that will inspire confidence among all Iraqis in the process and allow the full participation of all segments of society in the elections... Against this backdrop, I wish to share with you my increasing concern at the prospect of an escalation in violence, which I fear could be very disruptive for Iraq's political transition. I have in mind not only the risk of increased insurgent violence, but also reports of major military offensives being planned by the multinational force in key localities such as Falluja. I wish to express to you my particular concern about the safety and protection of civilians. Fighting is likely to take place mostly in densely populated urban areas, with an obvious risk of civilian casualties... Of course, I understand that there is an imperative need to restore security throughout Iraq. But I equally believe that, ultimately, the problem of insecurity can only be addressed through dialogue and an inclusive political process. Willing to help The threat or actual use of force not only risks deepening the sense of alienation of certain communities, but would also reinforce perceptions among the Iraqi population of a continued military occupation. I believe that these concerns are particularly relevant in light of the various initiatives that are being taken to address, through political dialogue, the grievances of certain Iraqi constituencies... It seems to me essential that the interim Iraqi government and the coalition should seize such opportunities... I, and all my colleagues at the United Nations Secretariat, want to help. But we need a conducive environment if elections are to produce a positive effect. This is the moment for redoubling efforts to break the cycle of violence and open a new chapter of inclusiveness and national reconciliation... " So why should he be arrested? Because he doesn't think we should go into all situations with guns blazing left and right? I hope you've made some mistake and misinterpreted his letter otherwise you are one very misguided individual. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Nov 6, 2004, 10:28 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	and even if kofi was involved in the scandal - what in the hell does that have to do with his comments on fallujah??? hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Nov 6, 2004, 02:55 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
JustinGilmore Molten Ash Location: US, California Posts: 44	If they can prove that he was scanadals then he should be arrested, but I haven't seen or heard of any hard proof or evidence really ...weird

Nov 6, 2004, 04:04 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Dieval Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,759	I guess Kofi missed the part where the Iraqi security forces - AIDED BY THE USE FORCES - are going to stop the insurgents in Falluja.... Or maybe if the insurgents were willing to negotiate and listen to reason there wouldn't be the need for violence... "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill

Nov 6, 2004, 05:09 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	some people think that we run the show and that alawi is nothing more than our puppet... hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Nov 6, 2004, 02:56 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
Snouter Guest Posts: n/a	Under this so-called UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, the UN corruption has been unrestrained. Even Kofi's son got in on the "oil for food" action with Saddam, and now he is "advising" that US allied troops (with civilized Iraqis) not to destroy the Muslim Terrorists in Falluja. What is wrong with this sick SOB, Kofi, and why the hell isn't he arrested?

Nov 6, 2004, 06:20 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Dieval Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,759	some people don't.. "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill

Nov 6, 2004, 07:21 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pd..._iraqsurvey.pdf 0.2% of iraqis trust alawi. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Nov 6, 2004, 11:55 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	you're comparing saddam's sham election to a broad and independently conducted survey on the iraqi public??? at least compare apples to apples!!! 3.3% of iraqis favored saddam according to the survey. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Nov 7, 2004, 06:41 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,541	Back to the original thread question, do we have enough evidence to arrest Kofi Annan and charge him? War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Nov 7, 2004, 07:00 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	For what? Calling Bush a criminal? He should be given an award for saying that much.

Nov 7, 2004, 07:16 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	I don't think Kofi needs to be arrested (remember you can't arrest stupid people). However I recall he was in charge of UN forces during the 1994 Rwandan "lets pretend nothing happened" fiasco. So I wouldn't really think he is in much position to be leading the UN in the first place. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Nov 7, 2004, 10:06 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	bill clinton should be the u.n. secretary general... hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Nov 7, 2004, 10:31 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	Bill Clinton dealing with world peace? The guy who attacked Sudan, choked the people of Iraq and helped to take Yugoslavia apart?

Nov 7, 2004, 10:40 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	you will blindly oppose anyone who's ever use the military gorgo.. saddam choked the people of iraq. and the u.n. failed in the balkans, allowing genocide to continue right before their eyes. i'm glad that clinton listened to joe biden's advice and moved to put an end to it. are you impartial to genocide gorgo? edit... the sort of person you're advocating is no different than another annan... and such a secretary general would be viewed as powerless, just like annan. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Nov 7, 2004, 11:04 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	You are misinformed, but I'm not sure that Clinton understood that he was committing crimes in the way that Bush has to understand that he is a criminal.