FRAUD!

[gr8fuldaniel]

So, lets see, out of a possible 638 votes cast, 4,258 voted for Bush.
Arrest Bush.

The Washington Dispatch Should America Trust the Results of the Election? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Commentary by Shane Cory November 5, 2004 Days after the election, 55 million Americans are still scratching their heads and wondering how it is that George W. Bush won reelection.  Garnering 8 million more votes than he earned in 2000, many are raising eyebrows as to how this was accomplished.  While no one wants to cry "fraud" and lead a tinfoil hat brigade, a buzz is growing on the Internet that whispers to the amazed and confused that they should not close the books on this election just yet. Members of the discussion forum, DemocraticUnderground.com dug in and have already found a clear error in the vote count within Ohio.  In one voting precinct in Gahanna, Ohio, 4,258 voters supposedly cast an electronic ballot for George Bush while only 260 voted for John Kerry. While it is vaguely possible that over 94% of voters in the precinct supported George W. Bush, it is a hard number to believe considering that only 638 voters were counted at the polling center.

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[Gorgo]

Many good posts from you. It's not proper etiquette to post only to say that, so I don't, but many many good ones.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Tune in to Randi Rhodes. Shes busting Chops today. This is from her site:

Click the pic to enlarge. This is awesome. I smell a changing of the guard.

Edit to add: Thanx Gorgo.
Its therapeutic for me. It helps me to get it out. I dont want to explode, mom would be pissed. :)

[rcne]

I think it means that polls are just opinions. Nice graphs though.

And leading questions do influence the results now don't they.

What you're smelling isn't the changing of the guard, its that the parade has already passed you.

Those are elephant turds.

Really how long is it going to take to accept that the majority of the populace has cast their vote.

If you read the guardian letter thread you will see how close, I feel, that Kerry came.

But international unintentional influence swung Ohio to Bush.

Time to move on.

[gr8fuldaniel]

www.therandirhodesshow.com
Shes live right now. Shes not gonna take this lying down. Might have to change stations again (Clear Channel) Theyve been carrying her because their making money off her. LOL. Today they scrambled her broadcast at the beginning of the show because you could de-cypher her bad mouthing clear channel.

[Young]

Votes that couldn't be real.....

4 more years of Bush, is real.......

The feeling that has set in, in my soul......shows me that what i thought was bad......was simply practice for this situation.

We're Lost.

[kharmajunkie]

This is the first I've heard of this. Did you hear when she said that the exit polls matched the polling places where there were paper ballots and the ones where there were automated machines, the results were off. One of Fox's token Dems was questioning this on election night and was gone after the next commercial break.

[lspiderl]

wow u know i was gonna respond to this but this it dawned on me
your all hopelessly partisan the rebublicans could have jesus and budha as there president and vice presidential canidates and youd still try to prove how evil they "are"

[gr8fuldaniel]

OK, Good. This is the largest FOIA ever filed.

www.blackboxvoting.org [SIZE=3]Voting without auditing. (Are we insane?) [/SIZE] SEATTLE, WASHINGTON Nov 3 2004 -- Did the voting machines trump exit polls? There’s a way to find out. Black Box Voting (.ORG) is conducting the largest Freedom of Information action in history. At 8:30 p.m. Election Night, Black Box Voting blanketed the U.S. with the first in a series of public records requests, to obtain internal computer logs and other documents from 3,000 individual counties and townships. Networks called the election before anyone bothered to perform even the most rudimentary audit. America: We have permission to say No to unaudited voting. It is our right. Among the first requests sent to counties (with all kinds of voting systems -- optical scan, touch-screen, and punch card) is a formal records request for internal audit logs, polling place results slips, modem transmission logs, and computer trouble slips. An earlier FOIA is more sensitive, and has not been disclosed here. We will notify you as soon as we can go public with it.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, OK, Good. This is the largest FOIA ever filed. www.blackboxvoting.org [SIZE=3]Voting without auditing. (Are we insane?) [/SIZE] SEATTLE, WASHINGTON Nov 3 2004 -- Did the voting machines trump exit polls? There’s a way to find out. Black Box Voting (.ORG) is conducting the largest Freedom of Information action in history. At 8:30 p.m. Election Night, Black Box Voting blanketed the U.S. with the first in a series of public records requests, to obtain internal computer logs and other documents from 3,000 individual counties and townships. Networks called the election before anyone bothered to perform even the most rudimentary audit. America: We have permission to say No to unaudited voting. It is our right. Among the first requests sent to counties (with all kinds of voting systems -- optical scan, touch-screen, and punch card) is a formal records request for internal audit logs, polling place results slips, modem transmission logs, and computer trouble slips. An earlier FOIA is more sensitive, and has not been disclosed here. We will notify you as soon as we can go public with it.

Did they find anything?

[ericsp23]

Gr8tfuldaniel,
Thanks for the graphic, I thought that was very interesting. There are a couple of things about it that I find questionable though. Why did they only include data on 3 states with paper ballots? Surely there were more states than that that used them. If the trend was true for them all then it would only have strengthened their case to include them in the data. It also troubles me that no reference was given for the exit polling data.
I am interested in seeing what comes of FOIA requests though.

[gr8fuldaniel]

If they respond to the FOIA with some bullshit like "Sorry, we dont have paper trail to audit" We can demand a revote. We can keep grubby corporate claws off our votes.
Here is what we Americans can do: Contact Ralph Nader and demand that he Demand a recount in New Hampshire for starters. The Kerry campaign has made it obvious that they are spineless by conceding while votes were still not counted. Our troops hadnt even voted yet.
So, if you are wondering what you can do........
Here is what I did:
1) Go To ContactRalph Send him something like this:

Hey Ralph, Please help save America from GWBush. Demand a recount, starting with New Hampshire. Your whole political career could come down to this.... Deliver us from evil. Thats right you can be a real live All American Hero. I am on my knees begging you..... PleasePleasePlease. Check this out: http://www.volconvo.com/forums/index.php?s...t=0&#entry78305 I know you love America, We love you too, even if you didnt get all the votes you deserve. Peace. Your fellow American, gr8fuldaniel gr8fuldaniel@yahoo.com

Use your name and your words

OK here is the important part
He will need your signature on paper
Send him a FAX:
Help Ralph run out of fax paper.
202-265-0092
"Ralph challenge the election results in New Hampshire Now!"
And Sign it (very important)

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Dieval,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dieval,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Did they find anything?[/b]

They just filed it the day b4 yesterday


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Gr8tfuldaniel,
Thanks for the graphic, I thought that was very interesting. There are a couple of things about it that I find questionable though. Why did they only include data on 3 states with paper ballots?[/quote] You want a BIGGER graph? I couldnt fit that one in the forum (Without pissing off Nono )
I would have to hunt it down, check back later.
Edit to add: Really only need it to be true in Ohio to turn around the election.

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by lspiderl, wow u know i was gonna respond to this but this it dawned on me your all hopelessly partisan the rebublicans could have jesus and budha as there president and vice presidential canidates and youd still try to prove how evil they "are"

Are you somehow in posession of information that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that elections in general (not just THIS one) are all on the up and up?
This has nothing to do with evil. How do we know for SURE bush (or Clinton, or Reagan or Carter, for that matter) won the election(s) with an accurate vote tally?

I suspect you yourself might suggest possible vote fraud if Kerry had squeaked to a win. I think it is blindly partisan for ANYONE to automatically assume there is NO vote fraud.

[caspian88]

I think thtis claim is false. I just checked the election results in Ohio, and Kerry had no county where he lost in a total landslide to Bush.

[Starboy]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, Tune in to Randi Rhodes. Shes busting Chops today. This is from her site: User Posted Image Click the pic to enlarge. This is awesome. I smell a changing of the guard. Edit to add: Thanx Gorgo. Its therapeutic for me. It helps me to get it out. I dont want to explode, mom would be pissed. :)

It would be interesting to try to track those voters down and ask them again who they voted for. After all, it is possible that people deliberately misled the exit pollsters but now that the results are in they might not have a problem with revealing their vote for the purposes of determining if there was foul play. I wonder what the correlation is to the electronic voting systems that showed the discrepancy and a paper record of the vote?

Starboy

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by lspiderl, wow u know i was gonna respond to this but this it dawned on me your all hopelessly partisan the rebublicans could have jesus and budha as there president and vice presidential canidates and youd still try to prove how evil they "are"

HAHAHA, you are lumping GW BUSH in with Jesus and Budda? LOLOLOL.
Like this guy beyond reproach.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by caspian88, I think thtis claim is false. I just checked the election results in Ohio, and Kerry had no county where he lost in a total landslide to Bush.

That just proves that the owner of Diebold kept his word

[Milton Bradley]

How can anybody even attempt to address the possibility of a "fair vote" with the coomplete takeover of the media?


How can ANYBODY make an informed decision when they are deprived of the pertinent information?

[kharmajunkie]

Originally posted by lspiderl, wow u know i was gonna respond to this but this it dawned on me your all hopelessly partisan the rebublicans could have jesus and budha as there president and vice presidential canidates and youd still try to prove how evil they "are"

I can't speak for anyone else but I don't see how I could be partisan since
I've never even been a Democrat. I attack both of you two party, corporate bullies equally. Keep parrotting the party line and I hope you enjoy the infighting in your own party between the God squad and the old school Republicans; that should be starting up in the next few months.