FRAUD!

[gr8fuldaniel]

Again, PLEASE. Come on sonart. Could you try to stick with Election fraud in this thread.

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by Dieval, So OBL might not be dead - but we've captured or killed 3/4 of the leaders of al qeada and they are on the run -

How do you arrive at 3/4? Seriously, I don't think OBL is prone to giving out his employee list so how do we KNOW how many leaders there are/were to arrive at that fraction?

[gr8fuldaniel]

WTF? Can we stay on topic. There are zillions of other threads for this.

[Scribbler1]

That's true. Don't answer my question.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by BlackBoxVoting+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BlackBoxVoting)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>We will notify you as soon as we can go public with it[/b]

<!--QuoteBegin-Dieval,
  Did they find anything?[/quote]
Way back on the first page of this thread you asked this question.
Their site was down for a couple of days because it was hacked. They had to beef up security. They are back up now and have recieved some info from their FOIA. Go here and scroll down to find some of it. Bear in mind they wont post everything because they may not want to tip their hand.

fix sp.

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, LOL, could you decypher that last part for me? Not sure what Bush's testimony has to do with anything

Assuming that U.S. Congress opens an investigation, it will produce not much but disgrace and humiliation to U.S. (international political arena, included). A sort of Bill-Monica farse (mockery).
That is why the author(s) of that "petition" should rather consult its ideas during a therapy session at the nearest mental facility. My bet ? A doctor would be deligthed sharing that developement :-)))

Assuming that U.S. Congress would find reasons to impeach Bush, that Bush's testimony must include his knowledge (and acceptance) on alleged fraud that took place during U.S. Election 2004.
It would never happen.

This whole thread on alleged U.S. Elections 2004's fraud is an absurd.
Some people keep crying out loud (like a cat on a desert) in search for something to turn the clock back, instead of taking facts as they appear in this world.
I say once again : Kerry will do the same or similar things to what Bush is doing today. There is no "magical formula" for politics, economy or finance, and it applies to us all.

As an example, the Greenspan's report raised rates up for 1/4%. Is there anybody who cares that ? Economy does not "grow" from-day-to-day, but it is the result of long political, financial and economical process.
That is why U.S. economy needs a little "boost", and the stabilization in Iraq will serve for that purpose.

You disagree ?
That is fine with me. You may feel free to bring new threads on your "wonderful life", when prices go up. I will be glad to supply you with all your own posts and replies as the response.
We will see how you (and alike) enjoy it. Till then.

Meanwhile, keep whipping already whipped cream :-)))

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gr8fuldaniel,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by BlackBoxVoting@ We will notify you as soon as we can go public with it <!--QuoteBegin-Dieval, Did they find anything?

Way back on the first page of this thread you asked this question.
Their site was down for a couple of days because it was hacked. They had to beef up security. They are back up now and have recieved some info from their FOIA. Go here and scroll down to find some of it. Bear in mind they wont post everything because they may not want to tip their hand.

fix sp.[/b][/quote]

Thanks for the update...here's another -

Internet buzz on vote fraud is dismissed

A week after Kerry conceded and Bush declared victory, those assertions and scores of others from New Mexico to North Carolina have kept alive fierce speculation that Bush's victory either wasn't real or wasn't as decisive as it seemed. With memories fresh from the 2000 irregularities, e-mails and Web postings accuse Republicans of stealing an election. Much of the traffic is little more than Internet-fueled conspiracy theories, and none of the vote-counting problems and anomalies that have emerged are sufficiently widespread to have affected the election's ultimate result. ..... Most of the focus has been on results in Ohio and Florida, since if either of those states had gone for Kerry instead of Bush, the Massachusetts senator would be president-elect. Early exit polls in both states indicated that Kerry was track to win, and in each state voting and counting irregularities in numerous places have been reported. ''Fraud took place in the 2004 election," declares the team at BlackBoxVoting.org, one popular website that is compiling reports of election problems. ..... After one e-mailer erroneously suggested that Kerry's brother, Cameron, was compiling reports of voting problems, Cameron Kerry's e-mail inbox was inundated with hundreds of messages, received at the pace of several per minute through yesterday. He sent out a stock response saying ''we are not ignoring" the reports, asking that they be forwarded to the Democratic National Committee instead of his e-mail address at his Boston law firm. Though Corrigan said all allegations will be investigated by the Democratic legal team, he added that it has become clear that 2004 was no repeat of 2000. That year, an abbreviated Florida recount resulted in a 537-vote margin of victory for Bush, and many Democrats believe a full and impartial recount would have handed the election to Democrat Al Gore. This year, the race wasn't nearly as close in the states that hung in the balance. According to preliminary results from last week's election, Bush carried Florida by 380,000 votes, and Ohio by 136,000. Corrigan said Democrats won't push for hand recounts this year, because they wouldn't change the results, a point backed by election specialists.

Now can you please concede, like Kerry, and get on with your life...

[gr8fuldaniel]

Rainbow, You are assuming a lot. First of all the election fraud would have to be traced all the way to Bush for there to be impeachment proceeding. All we want is a fair election with all votes counted. You seem to want a bannana republic and to just take whatever they think you should have. Very Un American.
Then you claim to know what an investigation would yield. Lame.
I am having trouble putting together intelligle thoughts in you comments, but I think you were also saying the Mass Murder in Iraq is actually good for our economy. I think you need that doctor. What a money pit. All the money (250 billion so far) is not a loan but a gift that your grandkids will be repaying in taxes.

[Sonart]

Again, PLEASE. Come on sonart. Could you try to stick with Election fraud in this thread.

Because the issue of election fraud is silly. Not election fraud itself, but the endless tit for tat. If nothing else has been shown on these boards, there have been plenty enough accusations of election tampering on both sides to fill a book. But to keep the arguement front and center here just perpetrates a brick fight by two neighbors in glass houses.

In other words, the election's over, Bush won. Get past it. Continuing to contest the election smacks of whining.

And as I said, the fact that Bush won doesn't make silk purses out of the sows ears he's buried us up to our neck in. We just get to watch four more years of the same.... endless war in Iraq, endless moral superiority from the Right, endless bitter division while Dear Leader collects his capital.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Dieval Much of the traffic is little more than Internet-fueled conspiracy theories, and none of the vote-counting problems and anomalies that have emerged are sufficiently widespread to have affected the election's ultimate result.

Your article, is not very convincing. Just because we the people dont have the media control that the corporate controlled White House does, doesnt mean we dont have a case against these criminals. We have tons of facts this time and we arent laying down this time. Look at the facts and cut the rhetoric, we have them up against the fucking wall this time. We arent talking Conspiracy theory. Look at the FACTS. HAHAHA. Busted!!

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, We have tons of facts this time

You have people(yourself included) spreading conspiracy theories....quite a difference there..

[Suburbanite]

Originally posted by Sonart, Because the issue of election fraud is silly. Not election fraud itself, but the endless tit for tat. If nothing else has been shown on these boards, there have been plenty enough accusations of election tampering on both sides to fill a book. But to keep the arguement front and center here just perpetrates a brick fight by two neighbors in glass houses. In other words, the election's over, Bush won. Get past it. Continuing to contest the election smacks of whining.

Here in America we have a word for people who whine about whiners, we call them unpatriotic!

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Sonart, Because the issue of election fraud is silly.

Do you realize how childish that sounds?
That doesnt give you any right to come here and pollute this thread. because you disagree with a topic is no excuse for hijacking it for your own purpose.

Do you know how to start a topic? I suggest you exercise that privelege. I wont come over to any topics you start and just start babbling incoherently about the weather.
I am not saying you dont have a lot to offer. I enjoy your posts. Its just very rude to stray off topic after someone has appealed several times to bring discussion back on track. This is like my 5th post wasted on the disruption.

If this election fraud is not challenged, you can kiss America goodbye. The things that make America a great country, like the will of the people can no longer be heard. The right to vote eschews tyranny. If we lose it, we are damned. I am going to continue to fight.

Final warning, I will report you next.

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, Rainbow, You are assuming a lot. First of all the election fraud would have to be traced all the way to Bush for there to be impeachment proceeding. All we want is a fair election with all votes counted. You seem to want a bannana republic and to just take whatever they think you should have. Very Un American. Then you claim to know what an investigation would yield. Lame. I am having trouble putting together intelligle thoughts in you comments, but I think you were also saying the Mass Murder in Iraq is actually good for our economy. I think you need that doctor. What a money pit. All the money (250 billion so far) is not a loan but a gift that your grandkids will be repaying in taxes.

Bush's testimony would never prove he had any knowledge on alleged U.S. Election 2004's fraud, not to mention that he directed or approved it.
It is with accordance to the U.S. Constitution and the Law. Then, any impeachment does not make any sense. It is Very American.
Do you get it, now ?

However, if you (and people alike) "belove" to go on a quest in search for something that may bring not much but a "political farse or fun", that is your business and you have all the rights to follow your ideas. I am not trying to discourage people like you. I merely state the outcomes of that potential task ahead of you.

I have no clue on my alleged testimony (or support) with concern to Mass Murder in Iraq. What do you mean by that ?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Rainbow+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rainbow)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Bush's testimony would never prove he had any knowledge on alleged U.S. Election 2004's fraud, not to mention that he directed or approved it.[/b]

Who is asking for his testimony? You are jumping the gun. We need to go after the guys directly involved. Then, if/when that leads to Bushs desk, then we will add that to his existing list of impeachables.

Originally posted by R+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE &reg;</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Bush's testimony would never prove he had any knowledge  [/b]

Do you have a source for that or is that your opinion
You sound pretty sure of that in the face of overwhelming evidence that HIS PARTY is is entrenched in corruption. His party, including election officials and the owner of Diebold seem willing cheat for Bush.
Again, this isnt about impeachment, yet. It could go that way, right now we just want our duly elected President to take office in January.

You said this:

Originally posted by R I have no clue on my alleged testimony (or support) with concern to Mass Murder in Iraq. What do you mean by that ?

Because I said this:<!--QuoteBegin-me@
but I think you were also saying the Mass Murder in Iraq is actually good for our economy.[/quote]
you said this: <!--QuoteBegin-R
That is why U.S. economy needs a little "boost", and the stabilization in Iraq will serve for that purpose.[/quote]
Maybe I shouldnt have responded to that though. Irrelevant to the topic at hand.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Dieval,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dieval,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-gr8fuldaniel, We have tons of facts this time

You have people(yourself included) spreading conspiracy theories....quite a difference there..[/b][/quote]I guess its up to you to dispute my claims. You cant just label everything conspiracy theory. Isnt that against etiquette?

While they are killing people all over the world, getting caught cheating, breaking International Law and Geneva Convention with their shameful crimes against humanity and the Constitution and generally trashing America. Shame on you for defending these horrors and then just brushing off the charges as "Conspiracy Theory". Is it just a theory that Bush cant win without cheating, when we have two rigged elections to prove it? I have given proof, where is yours?

[bullshitdetector]

I think it's just another conspiracy cry like all the others who cannot accept defeat.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Everybody should contact your senators and send them something like this:

I would like for you to sign this petition: http://www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection/...004ltr11504.pdf . It has already been submitted to congress. Every American has been disenfranchised if all votes are not counted. Mr Conyer,Mr Wexler and Mr Nadler have signed it. I heard others have also signed it,since I saved this link, so there may be a newer edition. Thank You! Keep up the good work! (Your Name Here)

I sent this to Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein, just now.
Henry Waxman is next, (He'll get er done).

[rcne]

'disenfranchised' = a word meaning - we lost and don't know why.

It must be a conspiracy. It must be.

[gr8fuldaniel]

I know why and I have posted those reasons. If you want to dispute them have at it . Otherwise Shut the F^ck up with the conspiracy one liner