FRAUD!

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by Dieval,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dieval,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Scribbler1, Actually, one more thing DOES need to be said.  Kerry's reason for the quick concession was, as Nixon's was,  to not put the country through the same crap as the last time.  Calling "fraud" would absolutely put us back to 2000. You may or may not buy this as his real motivation, but you can't say it wasn't.

The only reason I would think otherwise is that he had an army of lawyers warming up in the bullpin ready to yell fraud and fight for the election, then gives up...[/b][/quote]

BOTH sides were lawyered up, big time. But Kerry was the one who said he'd concede for the good of the country. Bush didn't lose so we won't know what he'd have done, but I tend to think they would be mobilizing the troops the morning of Nov.3.
I tend to believe Kerry because he had nothing whatsoever to lose if there was a challenge made. He already lost the election and stood to POSSIBLY end up winning it. If he wasn't on the up and up, why would you think he wouldn't put those lawyers to work?

[OberonDOtherseid]

Why not take that with the rest as they prosecute Bush and fight the vote too?

One thing I do know is that everytime you open a file on a PC it leaves a trail, it leaves footprints to every action taken.

This can be fixed, all you have to do is demand that every computer be searched for tampering. You gonna do that for your fellow Bush haters here? Get the proof and have Bush booted? It should be pretty easy, or so it sounds, right?

[OberonDOtherseid]

Originally posted by Scribbler1,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Scribbler1,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Dieval,@ <!--QuoteBegin-Scribbler1, Actually, one more thing DOES need to be said. Kerry's reason for the quick concession was, as Nixon's was, to not put the country through the same crap as the last time. Calling "fraud" would absolutely put us back to 2000. You may or may not buy this as his real motivation, but you can't say it wasn't. The only reason I would think otherwise is that he had an army of lawyers warming up in the bullpin ready to yell fraud and fight for the election, then gives up...

BOTH sides were lawyered up, big time. But Kerry was the one who said he'd concede for the good of the country. Bush didn't lose so we won't know what he'd have done, but I tend to think they would be mobilizing the troops the morning of Nov.3.
I tend to believe Kerry because he had nothing whatsoever to lose if there was a challenge made. He already lost the election and stood to POSSIBLY end up winning it. If he wasn't on the up and up, why would you think he wouldn't put those lawyers to work?[/b][/quote]

Bush would have been mobilizing the troops for what? Kerry didn't stand a chance, an you know what, Scribbler ? If he gave up that quick he didn't want it very bad did he? He folded like a folding chair on the Titanic. Imagine how he would have caved under pressure, real pressure?

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by OberonDOtherseid,   Bush would have been mobilizing the troops for what?

"Bush didn't lose so we won't know what he'd have done, but I tend to think they would be mobilizing the troops the morning of Nov.3."

Are you for real? Read the goddam FULL post before you reply.

Kerry didn't stand a chance, an you know what, Scribbler ? If he gave up that quick he didn't want it very bad did he? He folded like a folding chair  on the Titanic.

That analogy is so strange it barely merits comment. Don't folding chairs work properly when they FOLD??
And while you seem to know what the man was thinking, tell us if he didn't want to win why he RAN in the first place!

Imagine how he would have caved under pressure, real pressure?

Pressure? Like a political campaign where his intelligence, patriotism, courage and even his Wife's LOOKS were trashed daily by the opposition?
So you're saying he took the pressure of a presidential campign but he couldn't hack the strain of having other people recount the votes?

That's the most asinine thing I've seen here in days.
I said many times I didn't support Kerry but voted for him against Bush. But when I hear bullshit like this I almost want to START supporting the man, even AFTER the election. It worries me that this is the kind of thinking that can put a man in the White House.

[CivicRacingGirl7]

Originally posted by Dieval,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dieval,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Starboy, Are you saying that you don't care if there was widespread fraud? Starboy

I'm saying - KERRY DOESN'T CARE.[/b][/quote]

It's not just about Kerry. It's that we should be able to trust the outcome of our elections. Rigged elections don't make this a "free" country.

[Young]

Dieval & I agree?????????!!!!!!!!!!??????????

Kerry doesn't care, He was a Pawn of the Bones boys, and His wife will benefit greatly from Bush's taxcuts for the super rich.

Scrib - I shall warn you about using my Lord's name in vein, you can obviously still do it, but that will cost you my internets Friendship, which might not be worth saving to you....but i have never had any other problems with you.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Speaking of the timing of the Criminal Fallujah Assault:

Buzzflash In fact, the Fallujah offensive timing was engineered to steal attention away from voter fraud reports. It is a tactic the Bush Administration has used with great skill for most of the campaign, and continues with it to this day. I call it, the "Sleaze and Misdirect" method of stealing the American consciousness. Murdoch's FOX News, Sinclair Broadcasting, CNN, CNBC, and conservative talk radio programs are there to supplement the Bush Administration's misdirect tactics by providing counterattack backup responses should any mainstream media outlet ever actually run valid expose pieces of clandestine political thievery. Forget planes being hijacked. America, as a whole, has been hijacked. Not by Islamic-based terrorists. Not by Middle Eastern zealots who "hate our freedom." And not by suicidal bomb-packing sycophants programmed to praise their God by personally delivering their murder victims to His pearly gate. America has been hijacked by a greedy, power hungry political machine that could never win an election without stealing it. America is no longer a nation. It has become a 'notion,' a device used to convince its lesser-thinking inhabitants that they are in control of the people and events that dictate the path of their very existence. We are constantly reminded by political figureheads that we are a free people. A democratic republic. A self-governed populace. That is programming. We have been programmed into assuming those political figureheads fear us. We have been programmed into assuming their alleged fear is based upon the 'notion' that we, the people, can vote them out of office if we so choose. In fact, the opposite is true. It is the politicians who vote we, the people, out of office. The oligarchy elite who make up our government do not want you to know what they do. They do not want you to know they line their pockets by awarding no-bid contracts to companies in which they maintain an interest. They do not want you to understand they use government power to hide their actions. Government deception and secrecy have become the glue of their power. They implement policy designed to keep the uninformed, simply that: uninformed.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by Young, Dieval & I agree?????????!!!!!!!!!!?????????? Kerry doesn't care, He was a Pawn of the Bones boys, and His wife will benefit greatly from Bush's taxcuts for the super rich. Scrib - I shall warn you about using my Lord's name in vein, you can obviously still do it, but that will cost you my internets Friendship, which might not be worth saving to you....but i have never had any other problems with you.

hahahahha bet you're having a bad day now, eh Young?

gr8, is it any wonder you find all these conspiracty theories on your left wing propaganda websites?

[gr8fuldaniel]

I thought it made good sense, what part of it do you disagree with?

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by Young, Scrib - I shall warn you about using my Lord's name in vein, you can obviously still do it, but that will cost you my internets Friendship, which might not be worth saving to you....but i have never had any other problems with you.

No promises, but I'll keep it in mind. I rarely say that, but it's for emphasis and not to offend.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, I thought it made good sense

I'm not really surprised....

[Sodfather]

Why is this recount crap not in the news?

And sorry for the one-liner, but that's all I have to say.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Because "you know who" controls the media. So just get in line behind the "War President".

[gr8fuldaniel]

If major combat operations are over in Iraq, what the hell is going on in Fallujah? Arm wrestling contests?

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, Arm wrestling contests?

Didn't you get your invite? I told them to send it to you...

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, If major combat operations are over in Iraq, what the hell is going on in Fallujah? Arm wrestling contests?

Nothing is going on in Fallujah. Hell, only.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Wag the Dog.

If heads dont roll for this election fraud, fascism is ours and everyone who minimized it, deserves what they get.

We had plenty of time and opportunity to do something about this coup d etat. This coup is not bloodless like the first. This time there is a sacrificial blood letting in Fallujah. For our ignorance.

The archetects of this election crime, will be rewarded with maximum penalties, or we dont deserve the right to throw other criminals in jail for lesser crimes like murder and bank robbery.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Sodfather, Why is this recount crap not in the news?

The media plays a large part in it. Conspiracy to commit a felony. Actually maybe even more than that they may have an equal share and may be largely responsible for the success of the grift..........

Footprints of Electoral Fraud: The November 2 Exit Poll Scam by Michael Keefer www.globalresearch.ca 5 November 2004 Link Until recently, the major American corporate infomedia networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox, and AP) relied on a consortium known as the Voter News Service for vote-counting and exit poll information. But following the scandals and consequent embarrassments of the 2000 and 2002 elections, this consortium was disbanded. It was replaced in 2004 by a partnership of Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International known as the National Election Pool. The National Election Pool’s own data—as transmitted by CNN on the evening of November 2 and the early morning of November 3—suggest very strongly that the results of the exit polls were themselves fiddled late on November 2 in order to make their numbers conform with the tabulated vote tallies. It is important to remember how large the discrepancy was between the early vote tallies and the early exit poll figures. By the time polls were closing in the eastern states, the vote-count figures published by CNN showed Bush leading Kerry by a massive 11 percent margin. At 8:50 p.m. EST, Bush was credited with 6,590,476 votes, and Kerry with 5,239,414. This margin gradually shrank. By 9:00 p.m., Bush purportedly had 8,284,599 votes, and Kerry 6,703,874; by 9:06 p.m., Bush had 9,257,135, and Kerry had 7,652,510, giving the incumbent a 9 percent lead, with 54 percent of the vote to Kerry’s 45 percent. At the same time, embarrassingly enough, the national exit poll figures reported by CNN showed Kerry as holding a narrow but potentially decisive lead over Bush. At 9:06 p.m. EST, the exit polls indicated that women’s votes (54 percent of the total) were going 54 percent to Kerry, 45 percent to Bush, and 1 percent to Nader; men’s votes (46 percent of the total) were breaking 51 percent to Bush, 47 percent to Kerry, and 1 percent to Nader. Kerry, in other words, was leading Bush by nearly 3 percent. The early exit polls appear to have caused some concern to the good people at the National Election Pool: a gap of 12 or 14 percent between tallied results and exit polls can hardly inspire confidence in the legitimacy of an election. One can surmise that instructions of two sorts were issued. The election-massagers working for Diebold, ES&S (Election Systems & Software) and the other suppliers of black-box voting machines may have been told to go easy on their manipulations of back-door ‘Democrat-Delete’ software: mere victory was what the Bush campaign wanted, not an implausible landslide. And the number crunchers at the National Election Pool may have been asked to fix up those awkward exit polls. Fix them they did. When the national exit polls were last updated, at 1:36 a.m. EST on November 3, men’s votes (still 46 percent of the total) had gone 54 percent to Bush, 45 percent to Kerry, and 1 percent to Nader; women’s votes (54 percent of the total) had gone 47 percent to Bush, 52 percent to Kerry, and 1 percent to Nader. But how do we know the fix was in? Because the exit poll data also included the total number of respondents. At 9:00 p.m. EST, this number was well over 13,000; by 1:36 a.m. EST on November 3 it had risen by less than 3 percent, to a final total of 13, 531 respondents—but with a corresponding swing of 5 percent from Kerry to Bush in voters’ reports of their choices. Given the increase in respondents, a swing of this size is a mathematical impossibility. The same pattern is evident in the exit polls of two key swing states, Ohio and Florida. At 7:32 p.m. EST, CNN was reporting the following exit poll data for Ohio. Women voters........More..

[gr8fuldaniel]

This will illustrate my last post.
Remember this?
I posted these on page 2 of this thread (Near bottom) its easier to view them full size, side by side, but it pushes the page out. So go to page 2 to view this fix full size.



After the Fix:



BUSTED!!!

Edit to add: Compare Correspondants, Time and the Flip Flop of leaders percentage.

[gr8fuldaniel]