FRAUD!

[Dieval]

Originally posted by rcne, Just where is the fundamentalist attitude now. You talk about the evangelical fundies, but fail to see the same in yourself. Look in a mirror.

evangelical fundies? huh?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Dieval, That's fine, but the only guy who will benifit from it(Kerry) has already conceded....What is the point?

It doesnt matter if he conceded. He conceded on the grounds that the people had spoken and their collective voice said Bush. If, that voice were untrue, then the voice of the people must be empowered. Kerry is our choice, we will not settle for less.

edit sp.

[Suburbanite]

Kerry is settling for less.

[gr8fuldaniel]

This just in:
New Hampshire just allowed the recount for Nader

Woo-Hoo!!

[gr8fuldaniel]

Nevada has a citizen pressing charges against the state for not counting any of the provisional ballots, (thousands) which are heavy on Democrat side.

Tune in to Randi Rhodes on Air America Radio you can listen to streaming if they arent in your area yet http://www.airamericaradio.com/ ....To get the breaking news on this

[Suburbanite]

GET OVER IT KERRY DIDNT WIN! Its over, next time don't be dumb jackasses and let the Democratic Party lie about the winner of their primaries. We should have Howard Dean as our president right now.

[gr8fuldaniel]

I am not so sure how important that is. Are you saying the Republicans wouldnt rig the election if Howard Dean were the Dem Candidate?

Oh yeah, I will get over it after the votes have been counted.

[edit stupid spelling]

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel It doesnt matter if he conceded. He conceded on the grounds that the people had spoken and their collective voice said Bush. If, that voice were untrue, then the voice of the people must be empowered. Kerry is our choice, we will not settle for less. edit sp.

HE CONCEDED. He already settled for less. Why haven't you?

[gr8fuldaniel]

WE have until Jan.6.
We have valid challenges. Obvious felonony election fraud, no surprise that you want to sweep this under a rug ASAP.

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Dieval, HE CONCEDED. He already settled for less. Why haven't you?

Are you saying that you don't care if there was widespread fraud?

Starboy

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, WE have until Jan.6. We have valid challenges. Obvious felonony election fraud, no surprise that you want to sweep this under a rug ASAP.

It just amazes me how far someone(you) will go for someone(Kerry) who obviously doesn't care...Good luck....you have alot of drive - even though its leading you into a dead end..

[Dieval]

Originally posted by Starboy, Are you saying that you don't care if there was widespread fraud? Starboy

I'm saying - KERRY DOESN'T CARE.

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Dieval,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dieval,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Starboy, Are you saying that you don't care if there was widespread fraud? Starboy

I'm saying - KERRY DOESN'T CARE.[/b][/quote]

Who cares what Kerry thinks, wouldn't it bother you if voting wasn't honest?

Starboy

[gr8fuldaniel]

The whole damned thing just stinks. Shameful. Its all so UnAmerican

The Free Press [SIZE=3]Basic report from Columbus [/SIZE] by Ray Beckerman November 5, 2004 I worked for 3 days, including Election Day, on the statewide voter protection hotline run by the Ohio Democratic Party in Columbus, Ohio. I am writing this because the media is inexplicably whitewashing what happened in Ohio, and Kerry's concession was likewise inexplicable. Hundreds of thousands of people were disenfranchised in Ohio. People waited on line for as long as 10 hours. It appears to have only happened in Democratic-leaning precincts, principally (a) precincts where many African Americans lived, and (b) precincts near colleges. I spoke to a young man who got on line at 11:30 am and voted at 7 pm. When he left at 7 pm, the line was about 150 voters longer than when he'd arrived, which meant those people were going to wait even longer. In fact they waited for as much as 10 hours, and their voting was concluded at about 3 am. The reason this occurred was that they had 1 voting station per 1000 voters, while the adjacent precinct had 1 voting station per 184. Both precincts were within the same county, and managed by the same county board of elections. The difference between them is that the privileged polling place was in a rural, solidly Republican, area, while the one with long lines was in the college town of Gambier, OH. Lines of 4 and 5 hours were the order of the day in many African-American neighborhoods. Touch screen voting machines in Youngstown OH were registering "George W. Bush" when people pressed "John F. Kerry" ALL DAY LONG. This was reported immediately after the polls opened, and reported over and over again throughout the day, and yet the bogus machines were inexplicably kept in use THROUGHOUT THE DAY. Countless other frauds occurred, such as postcards advising people of incorrect polling places, registered Democrats not receiving absentee ballots, duly registered young voters being forced to file provisional ballots even though their names and signatures appeared in the voting rolls, longtime active voting registered voters being told they weren't registered, bad faith challenges by Republican "challengers" in Democratic precincts, and on and on and on. I was very proud of the way so many Ohioans fought so valiantly for their right to vote, and would not be turned away. Many, however, could not spend the entire day and were afraid of losing their jobs, due to the severe economic depression hitting Ohio. I do not understand why Kerry conceded and did not fight to ensure that all Ohioans would have a chance to vote, and for their vote to be counted.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by Starboy,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Starboy,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Dieval,@ <!--QuoteBegin-Starboy, Are you saying that you don't care if there was widespread fraud? Starboy I'm saying - KERRY DOESN'T CARE.

Who cares what Kerry thinks, wouldn't it bother you if voting wasn't honest?

Starboy[/b][/quote]The only possible outcome would be Kerry winning the presidency....and since he obviously doesn't care, why do you??

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, The whole damned thing just stinks. Shameful. Its all so UnAmerican The Free Press [SIZE=3]Basic report from Columbus [/SIZE] by Ray Beckerman November 5, 2004 I worked for 3 days, including Election Day, on the statewide voter protection hotline run by the Ohio Democratic Party in Columbus, Ohio. I am writing this because the media is inexplicably whitewashing what happened in Ohio, and Kerry's concession was likewise inexplicable. Hundreds of thousands of people were disenfranchised in Ohio. People waited on line for as long as 10 hours. It appears to have only happened in Democratic-leaning precincts, principally (a) precincts where many African Americans lived, and (b) precincts near colleges. I spoke to a young man who got on line at 11:30 am and voted at 7 pm. When he left at 7 pm, the line was about 150 voters longer than when he'd arrived, which meant those people were going to wait even longer. In fact they waited for as much as 10 hours, and their voting was concluded at about 3 am. The reason this occurred was that they had 1 voting station per 1000 voters, while the adjacent precinct had 1 voting station per 184. Both precincts were within the same county, and managed by the same county board of elections. The difference between them is that the privileged polling place was in a rural, solidly Republican, area, while the one with long lines was in the college town of Gambier, OH. Lines of 4 and 5 hours were the order of the day in many African-American neighborhoods. Touch screen voting machines in Youngstown OH were registering "George W. Bush" when people pressed "John F. Kerry" ALL DAY LONG. This was reported immediately after the polls opened, and reported over and over again throughout the day, and yet the bogus machines were inexplicably kept in use THROUGHOUT THE DAY. Countless other frauds occurred, such as postcards advising people of incorrect polling places, registered Democrats not receiving absentee ballots, duly registered young voters being forced to file provisional ballots even though their names and signatures appeared in the voting rolls, longtime active voting registered voters being told they weren't registered, bad faith challenges by Republican "challengers" in Democratic precincts, and on and on and on. I was very proud of the way so many Ohioans fought so valiantly for their right to vote, and would not be turned away. Many, however, could not spend the entire day and were afraid of losing their jobs, due to the severe economic depression hitting Ohio. I do not understand why Kerry conceded and did not fight to ensure that all Ohioans would have a chance to vote, and for their vote to be counted.

I have no problem checking into this, but I just don't see anything happening from it...Kerry already gave up.

[Starboy]

The recounts in Florida didn't change the outcome in Florida but they did lead to changes in the state voting system. Changes that have created the oppourtunity for more fraud not less. I hope the same doesn't happen in Ohio.

Starboy

[gr8fuldaniel]

Here is the prior knowledge we had that it was going to happen. Fair Warning.

The Free Press [SIZE=3] Twelve ways Bush is now stealing the Ohio vote[/SIZE] by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman October 27, 2004 The Republican "November Surprise" to steal the 2004 election is in full force here in Ohio. With polls showing a dead heat, the GOP is staging an all-out attack on a fair vote count in the Buckeye State. Here are a dozen ways they're doing it: More...

[Dieval]

Originally posted by Starboy,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Starboy,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>The recounts in Florida didn't change the outcome in Florida but they did lead to changes in the state voting system. Changes that have created the oppourtunity for more fraud not less. I hope the same doesn't happen in Ohio. Starboy[/b]

Good answer...makes sense.

<!--QuoteBegin-gr8fuldaniel,
Here is the prior knowledge we had that it was going to happen. Fair Warning.

The Free Press [SIZE=3] Twelve ways Bush is now stealing the Ohio vote[/SIZE] by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman October 27, 2004 The Republican "November Surprise" to steal the 2004 election is in full force here in Ohio. With polls showing a dead heat, the GOP is staging an all-out attack on a fair vote count in the Buckeye State. Here are a dozen ways they're doing it: More...

[/quote]Sorry gr8, but you need to take anything said from freepress.org with a grain(or2) of salt....

[gr8fuldaniel]

(Starboy,) Are you saying that you don't care if there was widespread fraud? Starboy

Originally posted by Dieval I'm saying - KERRY DOESN'T CARE.

Maybe it isnt that he doesnt care. This makes more sense to me:

[Possible Scenario] Kerry's life was threatened (or his family) pending his concession, however if we draft him he has already kept his end of the deal, his life will be spared [/Possible Scenario]

Remember the goonsquad we are dealing with here, Christian in word, not in deed.