FRAUD!

[barbnf]

Absolutely, "gr8fuldaniel" ... Absolutely! ... :) ... :) ... :) ...

Thank you soooooo much for the information and the charts! ... :) ...

[Sodfather]

Haha, Diebold is already being parodied.:

http://gprime.net/video.php/2004votingmachine

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, So, lets see, out of a possible 638 votes cast, 4,258 voted for Bush. Arrest Bush. The Washington Dispatch Should America Trust the Results of the Election? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Commentary by Shane Cory November 5, 2004 Days after the election, 55 million Americans are still scratching their heads and wondering how it is that George W. Bush won reelection.  Garnering 8 million more votes than he earned in 2000, many are raising eyebrows as to how this was accomplished.   While no one wants to cry "fraud" and lead a tinfoil hat brigade, a buzz is growing on the Internet that whispers to the amazed and confused that they should not close the books on this election just yet. Members of the discussion forum, DemocraticUnderground.com dug in and have already found a clear error in the vote count within Ohio.  In one voting precinct in Gahanna, Ohio, 4,258 voters supposedly cast an electronic ballot for George Bush while only 260 voted for John Kerry. While it is vaguely possible that over 94% of voters in the precinct supported George W. Bush, it is a hard number to believe considering that only 638 voters were counted at the polling center. [edit to add link]

The Columbus Dispatch has investigated the matter and the director of the board of elections within the county admitted that Bush only received 365 votes. He stated that a "glitch" occurred in the electronic voting machine during the vote tally. This glitch could have given nearly 4,000 fake votes to George Bush if it had not discovered. The Gahanna incident is just one confirmed mistake and was discovered by activists on the Internet. It was a fairly easy "glitch" to detect given the large discrepancy between the head count at the polling station and the votes for Bush. Given this voting error one must ask, how many more glitches occurred that only involved tens or hundreds of votes?

These few sentences (that follow your original post) solve the whole issue.
It indicates that you (are) either :
- a young and/or very emotional person
- a malicious
- can not be taken seriously
Try (at least) present facts.

You "dislike" Bush ?
There are people out there that "dislike" you. We all have "friends" and "foes", but if we want to be taken as "reasonable", we need to be "better than others".
Bush "lies" ? How about your post ?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Rainbow I dont know where you got that quote because you didnt offer a linkits from a different paper from my source. So, it looks like you are the one who has trouble presenting facts. Leave personal attacks out of it. Challenge the facts that I offer or butt out. By the way, "A GLITCH" didnt happen but about 4000 glitches at one polling place. Funny how rampant these glitches are all in favor of your favorite Idiot.

[CivicRacingGirl7]

listen to fox news or talk radio its all they talked about for like week leading to election day

Because Fox News is so truthful...

It would be nice to know that each vote will be counted fairly when casting it, but unfortunately, that's probably never going to happen.

Electronic machines should not be allowed. This is one place where technology does not belong.

Exit polls are not the final say. My sister and I, for example, skipped out on the exit polls... I'm sure we're not the only two people in the US to have done so.

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by CivicRacingGirl7, Electronic machines should not be allowed. This is one place where technology does not belong.

Only if you are not Republican...If you are, they "elect" your candidate!!
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110804A.shtml

The flaws within these machines are well documented. Professors and researchers from Johns Hopkins performed a detailed analysis of these electronic voting machines in May of 2004. In their results, the Johns Hopkins researchers stated, "This voting system is far below even the most minimal security standards applicable in other contexts. We identify several problems including unauthorized privilege escalation, incorrect use of cryptography, vulnerabilities to network threats, and poor software development processes. <snip> Worst of all is the fact that all the votes collected by these machines are sent via modem to a central tabulating computer which counts the votes on Windows software. This means, essentially, that any gomer with access to the central tabulation machine who knows how to work an Excel spreadsheet can go into this central computer and make wholesale changes to election totals without anyone being the wiser. Bev Harris, who has been working tirelessly since the passage of the Help America Vote Act to inform people of the dangers present in this new process, got a chance to demonstrate how easy it is to steal an election on that central tabulation computer while a guest on the CNBC program 'Topic A With Tina Brown.' Ms. Brown was off that night, and the guest host was none other than Governor Howard Dean. Thanks to Governor Dean and Ms. Harris, anyone watching CNBC that night got to see just how easy it is to steal an election because of these new machines and the flawed processes they use. "In a voting system," Harris said on the show, "you have all the different voting machines at all the different polling places, sometimes, as in a county like mine, there's a thousand polling places in a single county. All those machines feed into the one machine so it can add up all the votes. So, of course, if you were going to do something you shouldn't to a voting machine, would it be more convenient to do it to each of the 4000 machines, or just come in here and deal with all of them at once? What surprises people is that the central tabulator is just a PC, like what you and I use. It's just a regular computer." Harris then proceeded to open a laptop computer that had on it the software used to tabulate the votes by one of the aforementioned central processors. Journalist Thom Hartman describes what happened next: "So Harris had Dean close the Diebold GEMS tabulation software, go back to the normal Windows PC desktop, click on the 'My Computer' icon, choose 'Local Disk C:,' open the folder titled GEMS, and open the sub-folder 'LocalDB' which, Harris noted, 'stands for local database, that's where they keep the votes.' Harris then had Dean double-click on a file in that folder titled Central Tabulator Votes,' which caused the PC to open the vote count in a database program like Excel. 'Let's just flip those,' Harris said, as Dean cut and pasted the numbers from one cell into the other. Harris sat up a bit straighter, smiled, and said, 'We just edited an election, and it took us 90 seconds.'" <snip> A poster named 'TruthIsAll' on the DemocraticUnderground.com forums laid out the questionable results of Tuesday's election in succinct fashion: "To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe: That the exit polls were wrong; that Zogby's 5pm election day calls for Kerry winning Ohio and Florida were wrong (he was exactly right in his 2000 final poll); that Harris' last-minute polling for Kerry was wrong (he was exactly right in his 2000 final poll); that incumbent rule #1 - undecideds break for the challenger - was wrong; That the 50% rule - an incumbent doesn't do better than his final polling - was wrong; That the approval rating rule - an incumbent with less than 50% approval will most likely lose the election - was wrong; that it was just a coincidence that the exit polls were correct where there was a paper trail and incorrect (+5% for Bush) where there was no paper trail; that the surge in new young voters had no positive effect for Kerry; that Kerry did worse than Gore against an opponent who lost the support of scores of Republican newspapers who were for Bush in 2000; that voting machines made by Republicans with no paper trail and with no software publication, which have been proven by thousands of computer scientists to be vulnerable in scores of ways, were not tampered with in this election."

This vote rigging in America has dishonored the Republic. Will the citizenry notice?

[Samildanach]

I can't believe that election machines that were that flawed were allowed to be used in an election. At the very least they should have been standalone machines unable to connect to a network of any kind tabulating and storing results locally and producing a result locally (results should have to be called in by a human) and the source code for the machines should have to be made freely available. Electronic machines are ok to be used but only under these premises. Election software should also not be contracted out to a private company but created under an open source license and examined by both democrat and republican experts at the same time before deployment and afterwards to make sure the software has not been switched or altered in transit. It would not surprise me if the election has been altered but to prove it will be very difficult and the Bush administration will just deny all knowledge by the time anything gets done he will be three and a half years in and people will just go who cares hes not in this time. Concentrate on tightening up procedure for next time otherwise what will happen is at three and a half years of GWB's term you might even manage to get him impeached but you won't have fixed any holes in your security profile.

[gr8fuldaniel]

I just sent John Kerry a little letter:

Mr. Kerry, I want you to challenge the election results in Ohio and Florida. This must be done within 10 days of election. Because the votes were not counted legitimately in these states, my vote for Kerry in California doesnt matter. We are discussing voter fraud here: http://www.volconvo.com/forums/index.php?s...topic=3641&st=0 . Ralph Nader has already called for a recount in New Hampshire. I see Ralph as a Super Hero, you can be one too. Challenge this gross injustice. Piracy II, the sequel to a Constitutional Hijacking. Where is your spine man? Did they threaten your life or your family? Read the recent articles by Thom Hartmann and go to BlackBoxVoting.org to see what kind of case they are building for you. You must act, or watch America and Democracy be destroyed by these "IDIOTS" God Bless America, but God Damn her Traitors. You can be our President if you want to be. After all you did win the election, you just didnt claim it. The ball is in your hands. Get some stones, man. Peace. ##### ######

So you guys shape up, President Kerry is going to be dropping by.

Oh yeah, you can send him a little note too Election Day Problems, John Kerry Website

[gr8fuldaniel]

[SIZE=3]Nader requests N.H. vote recount [/SIZE] Nashua Telegraph By KEVIN LANDRIGAN, Telegraph Staff landrigank@telegraph-nh.com Published: Saturday, Nov. 6, 2004 CONCORD - Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader requested a hand recount of ballots in New Hampshire after getting seven-tenths of 1 percent of the vote. “We have received reports of irregularities in the vote reported on the AccuVote Diebold Machines in comparison to exit polls and trends in voting in New Hampshire,’’ Nader wrote. <clip> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Nader’s recount request came in as a fax at 4:59 p.m., one minute before the deadline. The application is not legal, however, because it did not come with payment, according to Assistant Attorney General Bud Fitch. “At this point, we aren’t considering it to be a valid request,’’ he said. Anyone who loses by more than 1 percent of the vote has to pay for a recount, he said, noting the cost statewide could be $80,000. Nader can appeal that decision to the state Ballot Law Commission.

So I guess this is developing still. I hope the money part isnt a problem. Its a small chunk when you consider what hes buying.........Democracy itself.

[gr8fuldaniel]

I dont understand why the challenger must pay for a recount. If he provides adequate evidence of foul play, then its the States employees who should be penalized and not the victim. Or whoever signed the contract with Diebold and arranged the fix. Republican Party? Thats the ticket.........send the bill $80 K to Dumbya, hes rich. Besides arent the Repugs major contributors to Nader for President ? If thats the case I think Bush should be glad to help Nader out just one more time.

[Dieval]

Are you guys still babbling on about this? Kerry and the democrats CONCEDED. They gave up without a fight - basically because there was NOTHING TO FIGHT FOR! They knew who won and how he won. No armies of lawyers were used to battle against the so-called fraud. GET OVER IT.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Dieval, GET OVER IT.

Is this the attitude America should adopt for all crimes? Or, should just Nazi Republicans be immune from investigation?

[Gorgo]

Yes, I would hope if there is a suggestion of fraud, that we would care regardless of who was guilty of fraud.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, Nazi Republicans

With statements like this, you lose any credibility you might have had...

[rcne]

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With statements like this, you lose any credibility you might have had...[/b][/quote]

Just where is the fundamentalist attitude now. You talk about the evangelical fundies, but fail to see the same in yourself.

Look in a mirror.

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, Rainbow I dont know where you got that quote because you didnt offer a linkits from a different paper from my source. So, it looks like you are the one who has trouble presenting facts. Leave personal attacks out of it. Challenge the facts that I offer or butt out. By the way, "A GLITCH" didnt happen but about 4000 glitches at one polling place. Funny how rampant these glitches are all in favor of your favorite Idiot.

Here, it is excusively for you, your own link submited by yourself :
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_10500.shtml

Are you OK ?
Do not try to outsmart yourself, but start reading informations a little more carefuly, next time. Now, read your own reply addressed to me in that matter.

[Mulkaccino]

Originally posted by Dieval, Are you guys still babbling on about this?  Kerry and the democrats CONCEDED.  They gave up without a fight - basically because there was NOTHING TO FIGHT FOR!  They knew who won and how he won.  No armies of lawyers were used to battle against the so-called fraud.  GET OVER IT.

I say if a group of people wish to expose voter fraud let them. People have a lot to be upset about in politics (it's always been that way) and even more so now over much of the controversy in our nation and wordwide. If there is a problem where deomcracy is being manipulated and people are willing to expend energy to rid of the problem, why is that an issue with you?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Well, all I can say is its a good thing they caught them , red-handed, you can call it a glitch if you want. IMO werent these machines tested before hand? If so then this is not a glitch but a tampering. It hasnt been fully prosecuted yet. As soon as Bush confesses, like a good christian, you will see.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Mulkaccino, I say if a group of people wish to expose voter fraud let them. People have a lot to be upset about in politics (it's always been that way) and even more so now over much of the controversy in our nation and wordwide. If there is a problem where deomcracy is being manipulated and people are willing to expend energy to rid of the problem, why is that an issue with you?

After all, didnt we already suffer 4 years under this same fake president?
So from now on whoever cheats the best is our guy? Whether he is a mass murderer or not?
I dont just want Bush to step down, (because he did not win) I want him in jail for treason. His handlers did this and he is party to it.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by Mulkaccino, I say if a group of people wish to expose voter fraud let them. People have a lot to be upset about in politics (it's always been that way) and even more so now over much of the controversy in our nation and wordwide. If there is a problem where deomcracy is being manipulated and people are willing to expend energy to rid of the problem, why is that an issue with you?

That's fine, but the only guy who will benifit from it(Kerry) has already conceded....What is the point?