FRAUD!

[Starboy]

Quote by: Scribbler1 This may come as a surprise, but its because most of them are MEXICANS!!!

Hey he may have a point. It would be worth the price of a ticket if I could go to england and find the place crawling with mexicans and muslims. That would be interesting. Think someone would open a resturant called Jose Abhib's?

Starboy

[gr8fuldaniel]

Check out this story from Coastal Post:
Election Crime Scene-2004

"We the People Do Not Concede" By Carol Sterritt John Kerry did not lose the electoral votes in Florida. They were stolen. Nor did he lose the electoral votes in Ohio. They were stolen as well.

If election day machine malfunctions were random, then logic dictates that Kerry must receive the benefit of the machine failures at least a few times. Unless the breakdowns were not random. And if not random, then they must be considered part of a network of fraud.

Sixty one million votes were counted on machines that would allow for no paper trail

An excellent summary of The Great Sting 2005

[Nono]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio I would like to make the assertion that Republicans have no control over democrat controlled and heavy areas, thus do not control the number of voting machines, and that these claims are BS brought by sore losers.

I'm sure you would like to make that assertion. Unfortunately you can't, at least not credibly. Who organizes the election? The state government. Who runs Ohio? The Republicans. Who organized the election there? Kenneth Blackwell, who both administered the election and served as the co-chair of Ohio's 2004 Bush-Cheney campaign. Hmm...

In the Soviet Union they liked to assert that they held free and fair elections. They really did like to assert it.

You can stay in denial as long as you want, but the facts are on the public record.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Good point Nono.
The really horrible part is that they got away with it and set an example and a precedent for other states . How to overthrow America, one state at a time. Blackwell has been avoiding testifying under oath left and right. He can run but he cannot hide. Here is the latest from Fritakis

Bob Fitrakis Blackwell: Hypocrisy and the arrogance of power February 22, 2005 Free Press <snip>The Republican prosecutor goes on to write that, “Recounts should be conducted promptly, when properly requested” referring to the lawful recount of the Green and Libertarian Parties of Ohio following the November 2 election. Slagle concludes, “This is the law and it ought to be followed. Unfortunately, Secretary of State Blackwell, much like a basketball team running out the clock to protect its lead, ignored the law and prevented a meaningful recount from being conducted in the Presidential race.” “…Blackwell instructed the 88 boards of elections that they need not conduct the recount until after Dec. 13, the day the electoral college meets in all 50 states to cast the electoral votes for President. By delaying the recount, Blackwell made sure that the recount could not change the winner, since once the electoral votes are cast there’s not procedure to change the results. … by delaying the recount, Secretary of State Blackwell set a dangerous precedent which could be used to prevent a recount in a future Presidential election in which the results are in question,” Slagle said.

I want to repeat this one sentence(I wish we still had text sizing, because I want to SCREAM this) because this little sentence is the dawning of the utter destruction of America:
"By delaying the recount, Blackwell made sure that the recount could not change the winner, since once the electoral votes are cast there’s not procedure to change the results"

[Gorgo]

I appreciate you keeping up with the GR8. I haven't taken the time to keep up with this, so I'm going to make it a goal to catch up with this thread later.

The bigger thing for me, even bigger than any election fraud, is the idea that anyone could have voted at all for this guy. Period. Anyway, this is something else that we need to fix.

[gr8fuldaniel]

I found this at Ban the Machine:

MOVE OVER FLORIDA AND OHIO! CALIFORNIA IS THE NEW BATTLEGROUND STATE! FIRST: They went after Gray Davis and took over the governorship with Arnold. SECOND: They went after Kevin Shelley and have forced him to resign. THIRD: They will install an RNC compliant Secretary of State and will take control of California's voting system. FOURTH: They will mandate e-voting without paper (the bill is ready, the campaign begun) FIFTH: They will redistrict California as was done in Texas SIXTH: California will become a red state GAME OVER. If we don't save California's electoral system from takeover, the battle for our votes will be irreparably set back.

We have 55 electoral votes in California.
Unchecked fascism is an immediate threat if California becomes red. Costa Rica here I come!

[gr8fuldaniel]

I found this a couple of weeks ago. I should have posted it simply for the the beauty of the authors prose.

Vanity Fair Ohio's Odd Numbers Are the stories of vote suppression and rigged machines to be believed? Here is "non-wacko" evidence that something went seriously awry in the Buckeye State on Election Day 2004 By CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS *snip*The mayor's request was denied. Indeed, instead of there being extra capacity on Election Day, one of the only two machines chose to break down before lunchtime. *snip* By the time the 1,175 voters in the precinct had all cast their ballots, it was almost four in the morning, and many had had to wait for up to 11 hours.

Be sure to read both pages of the article, its a glimpse of Americana.

[gr8fuldaniel]

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0504/S00001.htm Scientific Analysis Suggests Presidential Vote Counts May Have Been Altered Group of University Professors Urges Investigation of 2004 Election Officially, President Bush won November's election by 2.5%, yet exit polls showed Kerry winning by 3%<1> . According to a report to be released today by a group of university statisticians, the odds of a discrepancy this large between the national exit poll and election results happening by accident are close to 1 in a million. In other words, by random chance alone, it could not have happened. But it did. Two alternatives remain. Either something was wrong with the exit polling, or something was wrong with the vote count.

Heres the actual report in PDF format (27 pages) from ElectionArchive.orgIt just plain dont add up.

[PatrickHenry]

I get the feeling America doesn't care, Danny. The disenfranchised voters go on with their lives, not questioning evident fraud. And the smug, self-satisfied "winners" think that moral virtue triumphed. Even me... I didn't stage a protest over this crap like I did for the war. It's so effing huge, with media complicity that most of us who can think just say "what's the use?"

Me, I know the Republic sank before I was born, and what we carry on with is a puppet show. All that's left to do is chat among ourselves while the Overlords in DC plunder our wages and the nations of the world...

[OberonDOtherseid]

Most disenchanted voters just went on with their lives during Clintons two terms too, they just didn't obsess over it.

[asterix404]

I have so far read about 4 or 5 screans and I am very tried to read the rest so in case this has never been mentioned: Exit polls in forgn countries are used to determine the outcome within 1% acuracy and this has been a very well devolped science. They can tell if you are lieing and they don't ask you directly. It is a science. Exit polls in america showed kerry win but bush is in the oval office. In any 3rd world country the UN would have interputed and called voter fraud and had them re do it with very veyr careful gaurds. The US didn't want the UN to get invovled in the election even though almost every other country uses the UN to prefor their elections so they are valid in the international community. I don't know why the US didn't but I think that kinda screwy. That is why there is a strong argument for exit polls being accurate. I hope this helps.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: OberonDOtherseid Most disenchanted voters just went on with their lives during Clintons two terms too, they just didn't obsess over it.

Well, let me define the difference between "disenfranchised" and "disenchanted." See, as much as I despise Clinton (translates to disenchanted), I never thought he won by fraudulently manipulating the election process (translates to disenfranchised.) Not really equivalent terms, Oberon. Now, I could be wrong about Clinton's fraud or lack thereof in the elections of 1992 and 1996. Doesn't make me more pleased with his dear departed presidency. But Dubya... A million to one odds is a bit of a long shot, wouldn't you say?

[MerlinsByte]

So, lets see, out of a possible 638 votes cast, 4,258 voted for Bush. Arrest Bush.

merlins note,,,ha ha better just eliminate him by another method like saying shew bush shew go away....you are powerless to get rid of Bush.......

Votes that couldn't be real..... 4 more years of Bush, is real.......

Merlins rant.....I have a love hate relationship with Bush, both of them. If Kerry would have won, I would have been tempted to hope for a "Lincoln ess" solution to that vile problem.

I don't trust any government that exceeds the community ... no, the neighborhood level! I love my country but detest the people , and system that controls the big picture! (and the little pic which would be us!) We are its apathetic zombified sucked dry, brain washed, slaves to the system. We have to be, slaves that is , for this goverment to contuniue its grossly out of control spending, and other ,more sinister things.

Elections are only for show, but luckily ,the politicos still have a healthy respect for the right wing religious (armed) nuts. This is why we still have a semblance of God and a working system, in place even after our prior and present leaders have been gleefully dismantling everything that this country was founded on!
Note...the word God in this application may be substituted for ultimate accountability, while not as accurate it will suffice for you atheist types

In politics, its in death we do trust.

The left is not where the corporate money is. Its the right and old money that guides the USA and money is the nose ring that our country leads the world by.

mb

[OberonDOtherseid]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Well, let me define the difference between "disenfranchised" and "disenchanted." See, as much as I despise Clinton (translates to disenchanted), I never thought he won by fraudulently manipulating the election process (translates to disenfranchised.) Not really equivalent terms, Oberon. Now, I could be wrong about Clinton's fraud or lack thereof in the elections of 1992 and 1996. Doesn't make me more pleased with his dear departed presidency. But Dubya... A million to one odds is a bit of a long shot, wouldn't you say?

That's just it, you chose to believe he commited fraud which is anectdotal. You are not the majority, this is why disenfranchised is an overstatement based on election fraud, Patrick.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: OberonDOtherseid That's just it, you chose to believe he commited fraud which is anectdotal. You are not the majority, this is why disenfranchised is an overstatement based on election fraud, Patrick.

Oberon, are you denying there was widespread disenfranchisement?

It is documented fact.

[OberonDOtherseid]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Oberon, are you denying there was widespread disenfranchisement? It is documented fact.

Define widespread and what significance you are putting on it. Obviously the majority of voters would prove that "widespread" is not quite the dilema you make it out to be. Like I said, some choose to believe one way, some choose to believe the other. Are you denying that whatever the issue is or is alleged to be, it isn't enough of one to change the outcome? The man won the election, he hasn't been proven guilty of anything, the recounts stand. Move on.

[UmSamir]

Quote by: rcne I think it means that polls are just opinions. Nice graphs though. And leading questions do influence the results now don't they. What you're smelling isn't the changing of the guard, its that the parade has already passed you. Those are elephant turds. Really how long is it going to take to accept that the majority of the populace has cast their vote. If you read the guardian letter thread you will see how close, I feel, that Kerry came. But international unintentional influence swung Ohio to Bush. Time to move on.

The way I see it, a lot of Dems sit around on their hands and whine about Bush stealing elections.

Some of the loudest mouths will tell you when pressed for info that they don't bother to vote. If people really want someone to lose an election, the first step is to vote against him.

The guy in Ohio, whatsisname who owned the voting machines and promised Bush would get Ohio wouldn't have anything to do with that state, would he? Maybe Mrs. Kerry was right.

[gr8fuldaniel]

From NBC News

Computer Hacker Invited To Break Into State's Voting Machines POSTED: 8:25 am PST November 26, 2005 SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- A Finnish computer hacker plans to break into one of California's electronic voting machines -- but he has the state's permission. As part of a security test, Secretary of State Bruce McPherson asked Harri Hursti to attempt to infiltrate one of the voting machines made by Diebold Election Systems. The company is one of the nation's largest manufacturers of electronic voting systems and is trying to get its new system approved for use in California. The tests will use a randomly selected voting machine from one of the 17 counties that currently use a Diebold system. Hursti was asked to try to demonstrate that machines made by Diebold are vulnerable to hacker attacks and can be used to manipulate the results of an election. The company's machines were blamed for disruptions in the March 2004 primary election in California.

The problem with this?
Hacking the individual Diebold machines isnt really very smart. Not when a small child could hack the tabulators and switch millions of votes in about 30 seconds. Just another case of:
HEY, LOOK OVER THERE!!!!

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: UmSamir The way I see it, a lot of Dems sit around on their hands and whine about Bush stealing elections.

Well, not bush himself.....hes not bright enough. His handlers have a dog in the race though. I dont know if "whine" is the proper term. Wouldnt it be patriotic to want a fair election? I think those who are willing to overlook such a crime are guilty of the more disgusting offense.

[gr8fuldaniel]

DIE, Diebold, DIE......

Diebold CEO Resigns After Reports of Fraud Litigation, Internal Woes