FRAUD!

[Technosoul]

I think it is possible for a outside private group to do their own recount if they got permisson. Last time one newspaper in anther country got permission to recount the Fla. vote. But even if that was done by a private investigative group and even if it showed the errors you suggested did happen then what? Can information based on a recount really be used to recall Bush and put Kerry in charge, I do not think so because Kerry already publically announced his withdraw and that Bush won Ohio. Are those votes enough to alter the total count enough to put Kerry ahead, and how did that stroy prove fraud? What names would be indicated as being active in masterminding a miss representation of the count on purpose? And keep in mind that Ohio used the old cards (hanging chad method) and did not switch to any of the new electornic voting systems.

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[lspiderl]

QUOTE (lspiderl,) wow u know i was gonna respond to this but this it dawned on me your all hopelessly partisan the rebublicans could have jesus and budha as there president and vice presidential canidates and youd still try to prove how evil they "are" Are you somehow in posession of information that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that elections in general (not just THIS one) are all on the up and up? This has nothing to do with evil. How do we know for SURE bush (or Clinton, or Reagan or Carter, for that matter) won the election(s) with an accurate vote tally? I suspect you yourself might suggest possible vote fraud if Kerry had squeaked to a win. I think it is blindly partisan for ANYONE to automatically assume there is NO vote fraud.

not its completly partisan to assume that if there was vote fraud that it was all on bushes side of things
you continue to ignore states like PA where there were 9000 registered voters above the total # of peopel eligable to vote
EXAMPLE if there were 10k adults of voting age there is 19k voter registered ...... registered democrat at that so look at your own before u claim voter fraud on bush

[kharmajunkie]

"you continue to ignore states like PA where there were 9000 registered voters above the total # of peopel eligable to vote"


Could you help him prove his point more Spidey?

[lspiderl]

accualy in many ways hes right the 2 party system blows
im just sick of every one saying bush fucked with the votes and ignoring all the evidence that points to kerrys misconduct in all this

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by lspiderl, not its completly partisan to assume that if there was vote fraud that it was all on bushes side of things you continue to ignore states like PA where there were 9000 registered voters above the total # of peopel eligable to vote EXAMPLE if there were 10k adults of voting age there is 19k voter registered ...... registered democrat at that so look at your own before u claim voter fraud on bush

I'm not ignoring anything, and you didn't answer the question. I asked how do you KNOW there was no fraud?

I also said it could happen in any election and if you'll note I wasn't taking sides. If vote fraud works for the Republicans it will work equally well for Democrats.
I personally don't trust them to run a clean election for ANYONE, but you seem to think only Democrats would stoop that low.

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by lspiderl, accualy in many ways hes right the 2 party system blows im just sick of every one saying bush fucked with the votes and ignoring all the evidence that points to kerrys misconduct in all this

I'm not aware of vote tampering by the Kerry campaign. Just what misconduct do you mean? Evidence? This is the first I've heard of it.

[lspiderl]

HAHAHA, you are lumping GW BUSH in with Jesus and Budda? LOLOLOL

ok first off im in no way compairing bush cheny to jesus and buduh
I was simply pointing out that no matter who it is if there republican the left wing liberals (that does not mean all democrats mind you just the massive group of far lefters) would find so bullshit reason to accuse them of being EVIL
hell they'd probably accuse jesus of faking his death and oh yeah porbably blame him for the crusades as well

[lspiderl]

I'm not aware of vote tampering by the Kerry campaign. Just what misconduct do you mean? Evidence? This is the first I've heard of it.

scribbler hoow do u explain 9000 registered democrats more then voters of legal age in one state



of course u didnt hear about it because it was burried by the liberal media
listen to fox news or talk radio its all they talked about for like week leading to election day

[gr8fuldaniel]

CNN changed their exit polls to favor Bush early in the morning



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Edit to add: Did somebody say something about Liberal Media? HA!

[gr8fuldaniel]

We have enough dirt for a credible case, now. It all hinges on public opinion. We have them outnumbered. Be Angry, Be very Angry. Then get active. Protest. Be heard Be loud. Be an annoyance to them. Be visable. Because tomorrow it may be illegal. Speak out now.

www.washingtondispatch.com Palm Beach County Logs 88,000 More Votes Than Voters November 5, 2004 04:56 PM According to the official election results posted on the Palm Beach County election website, 542,835 ballots were cast for a presidential candidate while only 454,427 voters turned out for the election (including absentee). This leaves a discrepancy of 88,408 votes cast for the presidential candidates. Palm Beach County's supervisor of elections is Theresa LePore who is known for the 2000 Presidential Election and the notorious "butterfly ballot" that caused confusion among seniors and other Floridians. Other election oddities occurred throughout Florida with some counties registering a 400% increase in expected voter turnout among Republicans while Democrats supposedly experienced a -60% decline in expected support within certain counties. The 50+ counties experiencing the high percentage fluctuations in expected turnout used optical scan voting machines on November 2nd.

[caspian88]

Originally posted by Scribbler1,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Scribbler1,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-lspiderl, accualy in many ways hes right the 2 party system blows im just sick of every one saying bush fucked with the votes and ignoring all the evidence that points to kerrys misconduct in all this

I'm not aware of vote tampering by the Kerry campaign. Just what misconduct do you mean? Evidence? This is the first I've heard of it.[/b][/quote]

I would say the whole Anti-Nader thing, which I see as the most disreputable thing this entire election. The Democrats tried to eliminate someone's right to run for office because they want power. That's absolutely horrendous.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Dont forget Badnarik and Corn and others too. You can blame the Media for that and the Debate Organizers, and the Republican party, too.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Look at all the money the Bush campaign gave to Nader. Look at the millions of people who voted for a man who actually supported another candidate in the same race. Bush voted, with his money, for a man who is better qualified than he.

[kharmajunkie]

Originally posted by lspiderl, accualy in many ways hes right the 2 party system blows im just sick of every one saying bush fucked with the votes and ignoring all the evidence that points to kerrys misconduct in all this

Fine, so let's say the election committee's of both Kerry and Bush were playing dirty pool with final poll results; then they can share a cell.

[gr8fuldaniel]

WOO-HOO!!
He did it!

November 5, 2004 Naders Letter To New Hampshire Sec.of State Via fax: 603-271-6316 To The Secretary of State of New Hampshire: The Nader/Camejo campaign requests a hand recount of the ballots in the presidential election in New Hampshire. Numerous voting rights activists have requested that we seek a recount of this vote. We have received reports of irregularities in the vote reported on the AccuVote Diebold Machines in comparison to exit polls and trends in voting in New Hampshire. These irregularities favor President George W. Bush by 5% to 15% over what was expected. Problems in these electronic voting machines and optical scanners are being reported in machines in a variety of states. We are requesting that the state undertake this recount or a statistically significant sample audit of these vote counts. We would like to make sure every vote counts and is counted accurately. Sincerely, Ralph Nader

[Scribbler1]

Does he still need the signatures? From what I read, a suggestion doesn't mean he will GET his recount. If the vote is bad, whoever stunk it up will not easily allow this kind of scrutiny.

Florida was one thing, as Bush's brother was in charge, but if NH goes the same route we are in bigger trouble than we thought.

I wish Nader success and I am going to fax that sig tomorrow whether it will be alloowed in NH or not.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Scribbler1, Does he still need the signatures? From what I read, a suggestion doesn't mean he will GET his recount. If the vote is bad, whoever stunk it up will not easily allow this kind of scrutiny.

I would say yes to the sigs. The letter "Requests a recount" And Nader is a contender he has a right to a recount with any solid evidence of foul play. "Whoever stunk it up" Nader is going after the machines, Diebold. Once he has set a precedent in court, he has a case nationally.New Hampshire doesnt have to worry about the states integrity.

Florida was one thing, as Bush's brother was in charge, but if NH goes the same route we are in bigger trouble than we thought.

Again it isnt political as much as corporate, Diebold is in our sights.

I wish Nader success and I am going to fax that sig tomorrow whether it will be alloowed in NH or not.

That would be good. Individual faxes can be seperated later if necessary. But since they arent asking for addresses, I believe what we are after is this: Nader wants to challenge the validity of the Diebold machines, and he has a large public outcry to back him up.

[barbnf]

I haven't been back here on a regular basis, so please forgive me for opining, but I simply have to say ...

Some of you warm my heart ... This computer manipulation to win an election will be successfully challenged and President Bush will be heading back to Crawford, Texas ... Truth always wins out! ... :) ...

Have a wonder-filled Sunday, everyone! ... :) ...

[gr8fuldaniel]

Thanx barbnf, right back atcha !

Heres a good sign things will turn around in Florida, We get Florida, we get OUR White House, correct?
Check it out: Thom Hartmann

Published on Saturday, November 6, 2004 by CommonDreams.org  Evidence Mounts That The Vote May Have Been Hacked  by Thom Hartmann    When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. <clip> In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry. In Dixie County, with 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush. The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the counties where optical scanners were used. Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7% registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush.

[gr8fuldaniel]

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