FRAUD!

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, Until you get back on topic be advised I will ask a Moderator remove anything off topic. we just wasted that whole last page on bullshit.

:-))) rofl :-)))

P.S.
Supply this thread with facts, and not alleged or suspicious-looking data.

[bullshitdetector]

I guess if all is removed that means nothing is left but replying to himself. ;-)

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by BullShit, I read it and my position stands as is. Conspiracy theory.

Conspiracy Fact. Are you denying the multiple fraud that has happened or that it is unprovable or that it is the American way?

1) Precincts that were havily Dem registered were not given enough polling stations, You say thats just a theory?

[kharmajunkie]

You whine like Hannity in that passive/aggressive advocate wars then get a deferment kind of way. I didn't say he thinks for you, I'm calling you a hack that parrots party line.

And if you did any research on this you'd know that some of Kerry's people have been implicated with this fraud issue so this "bullshit" as you put it is rampant and needs to be stopped.
And your lazyass attitude of "last two elections no different from
the past elections" is inspiring; is that the "if it's broke don't fix it
because it's been broke so long we're used to getting the shaft?

[bullshitdetector]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gr8fuldaniel,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-BullShit, I read it and my position stands as is. Conspiracy theory.

Conspiracy Fact. Are you denying the multiple fraud that has happened or that it is unprovable or that it is the American way?

1) Precincts that were havily Dem registered were not given enough polling stations, You say thats just a theory?[/b][/quote]

Ok, my username is bullshitdector, you purposely edited it and called me bullshit.. You obviously aren't going to play nice and enjoy acting the wounded lamb crying about moderators, I dont want to hear anymore whining about moderators out of you. Got it? I would also suggest you provide facts, not fiction, not theories. And yes, I doubt seriously any fraud was commited. You are a sore loser, and that's that. period. So far all I see is chicken little yelping the sky is falling, everyone else sees that it is not falling and chicken little cant take it.

[bullshitdetector]

Originally posted by kharmajunkie, You whine like Hannity in that passive/aggressive advocate wars then get a deferment kind of way.  I didn't say he thinks for you, I'm calling you a hack that parrots party line. And if you did any research on this you'd know that some of Kerry's people have been implicated with this fraud issue so this "bullshit" as you put it is rampant and needs to be stopped. And your lazyass attitude of "last two elections no different from the past elections" is inspiring; is that the "if it's broke don't fix it because it's been broke so long we're used to getting the shaft?

I have read plenty about it, and I will take whatever position I like. It is easy for you to call me lazy and a hack sitting behind a keyboard, slick, but it isn't very effective because I dont give a shit what you think of me, got it? Now that we have that little campfire vigil out of the way, if you want to put and end to something I suggest you take it to the source of your disdain, hmm? We didn't get the shaft, we got what we got, you don't like it? stand in line with millions of others, like the Rolling Stones said, "You can't always get what you want". Get over it.

[kharmajunkie]

Originally posted by bullshitdetector, [ I have read plenty about it, and I will take whatever position I like. It is easy for you to call me lazy and a hack sitting behind a keyboard, slick, but it isn't very effective because I dont give a shit what you think of me, got it? Now that we have that little campfire vigil out of the way, if you want to put and end to something I suggest you take it to the source of your disdain, hmm? We didn't get the shaft, we got what we got, you don't like it? stand in line with millions of others, like the Rolling Stones said, "You can't always get what you want". Get over it.

No, I don't "got it". I don't get people like you that are shown the problem
but instead of making an effort to fix it you quote a stones song. Screw
the constitution, Jagger wrote a diddy to make me feel better.

So the position you take is that we have problems with our electoral system but that's ok because you read plenty and will take whatever position you want. I've never talked to you before BSD but I take it you are a Bush supporter. Would you have the same opinion if your guy lost because of a poorly constructed electoral system? Or fraud?

[Osborn F Enready]

His name says it all, except a fox never smells his own hole, just ask O' Reilly.....

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by bullshitdetector, You obviously aren't going to play nice and enjoy acting the wounded lamb crying about moderators, I dont want to hear anymore whining about moderators out of you. Got it?

No I dont "got it", do you?
The moderators have asked us to govern ourselves here as best we can. If you have an etiquette problem, it is advised to try and address the problem yourself, before you go whining to a moderator. (Edit to add: Thats what I was doing)

No Ad Hominems If I were to say, "you are a moron, therefore your views are wrong", that would be an ad hominem.  Ad hominem's are logical fallacies. They do not help arguments, and they will not be tolerated. Other forms of personal attacks should also be reported-just use the "report abuse" button within the suspected post. Be Aware of Logical Fallacies: Logical Fallacies No "one-liners" or article pastes Try to avoid posting "I don't agree", or "you're wrong...etc". When someone takes the time to form a debate topic, or a decent reply you should do the same. Also, if you are going to post a huge article, please summarize it within your post, give some opinions, and provide the link to the full article. Do not just paste an article you found somewhere.

Keep these in mind.
Also some people consider "Conspiracy Theorist" to be an insult. If you attack me with an insult my human nature will want to retalliate and the whole damn thing goes up in flames.
Lets agree to be more civil, ok? I will do my best

(edit to add the rest of etiquette #2)

[gr8fuldaniel]

Woo-Hoo, this is exactly what we need!!

The Sierra Times [SIZE=3] Presidential Candidates To Demand Ohio Recount [/SIZE] Press Release David Cobb and Michael Badnarik, the 2004 Green and Libertarian presidential candidates, today announced their joint intent to secure a recount of presidential ballots cast in Ohio. "Due to widespread reports of irregularities in Ohio's voting process, we are compelled to demand a recount of the Ohio presidential vote," the two candidates said in a joint statement. "Voting is at the heart of the American political process and its integrity must be preserved. When Americans stand in line for hours to exercise their right to vote, they need to know that their votes will be counted fairly and accurately. We are acting to protect the rights of the people of Ohio, and the rights of all Americans. Public trust in the democratic process is at stake." The candidates also demanded that Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, a Republican who chaired the Ohio Bush campaign, recuse himself from the recount process. Ohio's election proceedings were marred by numerous press and independent reports of voter intimidation, mis-marked and discarded ballots, problems with electronic voting machines and disenfranchisement -- apparently by design -- of African-American voters. A number of citizen and voting rights organizations will hold hearings this Saturday in Columbus, Ohio to give an airing to, and investigate, these claims. The hearings will be held from 1-4 p.m. at the New Faith Baptist Church, 955 Oak Street. Voters, poll workers, journalists and voting experts are invited to testify. A second hearing will be held on Monday at a location to be announced, from 6-9 p.m. The Badnarik and Cobb campaigns are in the process of raising the required fee, estimated at $110,000, for securing a complete recount. The campaigns are accepting contributions through their web sites. The Badnarik-Campagna website is http://www.badnarik.org. The Cobb-LaMarche website is http://www.votecobb.org. Throughout this election cycle, the Cobb and Badnarik campaigns have worked together in a spirit of cooperation and civility rarely found in electoral politics. The campaigns jointly participated in and/or sponsored a series of independent debates, and the two candidates were arrested together in St. Louis protesting their exclusion from the restricted, two-party corporate-sponsored "debates." Now, as the election results remain in question, Michael Badnarik and David Cobb are proud to once again act together on behalf of the rights and interests of the American people in reaching the truth.

I especially like this part:

The candidates also demanded that Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, a Republican who chaired the Ohio Bush campaign, recuse himself from the recount process.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel I guess its up to you to dispute my claims. You cant just label everything conspiracy theory. Isnt that against etiquette?

It's not up to me to dispute your claims - its up to the conpsiray theory websites, that made the claims you're parroting here, to prove that it is the truth - using our legal system. Just posting a theory on a website doesn't make it the fact.

[gr8fuldaniel]

This looks like an admission of guilt to me.
Lets pile up the evidence against this organized crime racket

California settles electronic voting suit against Diebold [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] NC Times By: RACHEL KONRAD - Associated Press SAN FRANCISCO -- Diebold Inc. agreed Wednesday to pay $2.6 million to settle a lawsuit filed by California alleging that the electronic voting company sold the state and several counties shoddy voting equipment. Although critics characterized the settlement as a slap on the wrist, Diebold also agreed to pay an undisclosed sum to partially reimburse Alameda, San Diego and other counties for the cost of paper backup ballots, ink and other supplies in last week's election. California's secretary of state banned the use of one type of Diebold machine in May, after problems with the machines disenfranchised an unknown number of voters in the March primary. Faulty equipment forced at least 6,000 of 316,000 voters in Alameda County, just east of San Francisco, to use backup paper ballots instead of the paperless voting terminals. In San Diego County, a power surge resulted in hundreds of touch-screens that wouldn't start when the polls opened, forcing election officials to turn voters away from the polls. more.....

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Dieval,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dieval,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-gr8fuldaniel I guess its up to you to dispute my claims. You cant just label everything conspiracy theory. Isnt that against etiquette?

It's not up to me to dispute your claims - its up to the conpsiray theory websites, that made the claims you're parroting here, to prove that it is the truth - using our legal system. Just posting a theory on a website doesn't make it the fact.[/b][/quote]"Conspiracy theory websites" Like what?

If you cant refute my facts, I guess youre dismissed.

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by Rainbow,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rainbow,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-gr8fuldaniel, Final warning, I will report you next.

:-))) rofl :-)))
And you demand people to take you seriously.
How to take you seriously ???
:-))) rofl :-)))

P.M. me your PayPal account so I can send you crayons or lolipops for free :-)))[/b][/quote]
How exactly is this part of the debate?

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by Pooeypants,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pooeypants,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Rainbow, :-))) rofl :-))) And you demand people to take you seriously. How to take you seriously ??? :-))) rofl :-))) P.M. me your PayPal account so I can send you crayons or lolipops for free :-)))

How exactly is this part of the debate?[/b][/quote]
Get in touch with Sean. He will explain it.
Additionally, read this whole thread, please. I can equally re-submit others' posts and replies (within this thread) and ask you the same question.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, "Conspiracy theory websites" Like what? If you cant refute my facts, I guess youre dismissed.

Go back and look at all the sites you posted, mainly the .ORG sites...Accusations and theories are not facts.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Dieval, you are superstitious if you think all .org sites are Conspiritorious.

This is a good read: The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepency by Stephen F Freeman,PhD University of Pennsylvania

Hey, has anyone heard if they counted the military vote yet, or even how many can be expected?

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, Dieval, you are superstitious if you think all .org sites are Conspiritorious. This is a good read: The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepency by Stephen F Freeman,PhD University of Pennsylvania Hey, has anyone heard if they counted the military vote yet, or even how many can be expected?

Let me get this straight, you're trying to convince me that you don't post conspiracy theory website links by posting yet another one?? Interesting logic.... If you think i'm superstitious about sites, you're right, and I think that you're not nearly superstitious enough when it comes to these sites.

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by bullshitdetector, I think it's just another conspiracy cry like all the others who cannot accept defeat.

You are saying this is impossible then. WHY is it NOT possible?

[bullshitdetector]

Anything is possible scribbler, that isn't the question, the question is whether this is to be considered fact or not, which it isn't. It didn't happen, its as simple as that.