Mending the rift

[tusaki]

Ok, the presidential race is over, Bush has won.

Regardless of who had won, there is a tremendous job waiting for him. The president has to unite the country and regain the trust and support of the world. I think this is the most important job now. In my opinion, it would have been easier with Kerry as president, but alas...

What, in your opinion, will be some of the options the president has to achieve this goal?

Here are some of my suggestions.

To unite the country (from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...1-2004Nov3.html (registration) ):
* Pick some cabinet members from the other party.
* Establish personal relationships with the leaders of Congress from the other party.
* Identify and cultivate a band of sympathetic lawmakers from the other party.
* Have genuine back-and-forth with the press.

To gain the support and trust of the world:
* Restate firm support for the UN.
* Reach out to those who opposed the war the strongest: Russia, Germany and France.
* Cut back on the rhetoric and the black&whiteness of the message.
* Create projects to cooperate in with the EU, Russia, China, Japan.

[Scribbler1]

Good suggestions but I don't think they will happen. These are the opposite of almost all the things Bush has done already. As for uniting the country, since Bush was the one who divided it in the first place I don't thnk he's about tp bother trying now.

[CivicRacingGirl7]

Originally posted by Scribbler1, Good suggestions but I don't think they will happen. These are the opposite of almost all the things Bush has done already. As for uniting the country, since Bush was the one who divided it in the first place I don't thnk he's about tp bother trying now.

I'd have to agree with Scribbler.

Four more years of Bush will be nothing more than four more years of the same, IMO. He no longer has to worry about whether or not he will be re-elected, unless the 2-term limit should happen to change over the next four years, so in a way, it no longer matters what he does. In four years, it will no longer be his mess to clean up. :-/

[Dieval]

Originally posted by tusaki, Ok, the presidential race is over, Bush has won. Regardless of who had won, there is a tremendous job waiting for him. The president has to unite the country and regain the trust and support of the world. I think this is the most important job now. In my opinion, it would have been easier with Kerry as president, but alas... What, in your opinion, will be some of the options the president has to achieve this goal? Here are some of my suggestions. To unite the country (from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...1-2004Nov3.html (registration) ): * Pick some cabinet members from the other party. * Establish personal relationships with the leaders of Congress from the other party. * Identify and cultivate a band of sympathetic lawmakers from the other party. * Have genuine back-and-forth with the press. To gain the support and trust of the world: * Restate firm support for the UN. * Reach out to those who opposed the war the strongest: Russia, Germany and France. * Cut back on the rhetoric and the black&whiteness of the message. * Create projects to cooperate in with the EU, Russia, China, Japan.

Jeeez, sounds like you want to turn Bush into Kerry....If the majority wanted Kerry they would have elected him.

[Technosoul]

He will not do anything, why should he with full control and with no worry about impressing anyone for a 3rd term?

But just in case the tunes in to follow my opinions, here it goes.

1. He must publically say "I'm Sorry" and admit he made an error about Iraq and Saddam. And aplogize to the American people and the troops for leading them into a war without honest justification.

2. He must head-up and speak about busness ethics domestically and relative to forien countries, especally busnesses (oil industry) who deal with the Islamic community.

3. He should bring in Arnold (whats his name) from California as part of his staff and send him to the U.N. and elsewhere to make speeches, and to talk with other countries, and give him some support and authority. Why waste Aronold on California? His skills and abilty to unit people should be taken full advantage of.

4. He must address the conflicts related to Isriel and take firm action for a U.N. agreed upon solution. They should bring certain cities within that area under strcik U.N. supervision (so they are not the government property of Isriel or Sarafat, so that both sides can live within that city and not be subject to Jewish laws, but would be subject to U.N. enforced rules. Once the so-called "sacred sites" are liberated from being controlled by one side or the other as "international" locations, then the reasons for fighting would mostly have no motive. The U.N. would have to provide troops to enforce the resolution for a year or so until things totally calm down.

5. He must find a way to insure the 49 percent of people who did not vote for him that he will not leave them out-of-the-loop concerning domestic issues. While at t he same time making it clear we must be of one mind in so much as having a predictable leadership who can lead us with will of the people in support.

5. He must make sure that he, nor anyone in his staff, will be allowed to employ the arts of deception when speaking to the public, from now-onwards. Honesty must be the first policy.

That is some ideas, not all of them, for a new start.

6. Oh yeah, and tone down the religious and moral preaching.

[CivicRacingGirl7]

Jeeez, sounds like you want to turn Bush into Kerry....If the majority wanted Kerry they would have elected him.

According to CNN, the majority of Bush's votes were for his "moral values".

The above does not ask Bush to allow gay marriages, allow abortions, allow stem cell research, and then again to allow pretty much anyone to purchase a gun... These are the main reasons Bush got the votes he did... it's unfortunate that people cannot hope for future generations to grow up on safe streets, and to make his/her own decisions regarding his/her lifestyle.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by Technosoul,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Technosoul,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> But just in case the tunes in to follow my opinions, here it goes. 1. He must publically say "I'm Sorry" and admit he made an error about Iraq and Saddam. And aplogize to the American people and the troops for leading them into a war without honest justification. [/b]

HAHAHAHAHA Riiiiiiight Not going to happen in a million years.

Originally posted by Technosoul,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Technosoul,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> 2. He must head-up and speak about busness ethics domestically and relative to forien countries, especally busnesses (oil industry) who deal with the Islamic community.[/b]

What exactly do you want him to say about it?? That other countries shouldn't make immoral deals for oil with dictators to secure UN votes?? I'm in complete agreement.

Originally posted by Technosoul, 3. He should bring in Arnold (whats his name) from California as part of his staff and send him to the U.N. and elsewhere to make speeches, and to talk with other countries, and give him some support and authority. Why waste Aronold on California? His skills and abilty to unit people should be taken full advantage of.

What do you think the governor of CA is going to do at the UN?

Originally posted by Technosoul, 4. He must address the conflicts related to Isriel and take firm action for a U.N. agreed upon solution. They should bring certain cities within that area under strcik U.N. supervision (so they are not the government property of Isriel or Sarafat, so that both sides can live within that city and not be subject to Jewish laws, but would be subject to U.N. enforced rules. Once the so-called "sacred sites" are liberated from being controlled by one side or the other as "international" locations, then the reasons for fighting would mostly have no motive. The U.N. would have to provide troops to enforce the resolution for a year or so until things totally calm down.

Arafat's at death's door..give it a few days and then progress can be made. (BTW, it's ISRAEL not Isriel)

Originally posted by Technosoul, 5. He must find a way to insure the 49 percent of people who did not vote for him that he will not leave them out-of-the-loop concerning domestic issues. While at t he same time making it clear we must be of one mind in so much as having a predictable leadership who can lead us with will of the people in support.

So you want him to bring us all together so that the 49% that wanted Kerry can be separated out and get what they wanted? huh??
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5. He must make sure that he, nor anyone in his staff, will be allowed to employ the arts of deception when speaking to the public, from now-onwards. Honesty must be the first policy.

That is some ideas, not all of them, for a new start. [/quote]GOOD FREAKIN LUCK . When have politicians, on either side, practiced that??
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6. Oh yeah, and tone down the religious and moral preaching.[/quote]
Sorry to break it to you Tech, but the religious and moral majority won in the election. You don't like MORALS and VALUES, then this apparently isn't the country for you.
Here's a link for you(and others here), that was posted by a democrat, in another forum -
Immigrating to Canada

[tusaki]

Originally posted by Dieval, Jeeez, sounds like you want to turn Bush into Kerry....If the majority wanted Kerry they would have elected him.

Do you a) agree that the U.S. is more partisan than ever before? b) agree that no matter the REASON for this partisanship, it is not good for the U.S.? c) agree that the world has a less-than-positive view of the U.S. compared to before? d) that this is also bad for the U.S. and will end up hurting it more than doing it any good?

if you answer is 'yes' to any single one of these, then why don't you want to help think about what can be done to bring everyone back together again? are you happy the way it is?

[Compugasm]

tusaki, I answer yes to every one of those, and blame Big Media™ for every one of them.

[kharmajunkie]

Sorry to break it to you Tech, but the religious and moral majority won in the election. You don't like MORALS and VALUES, then this apparently isn't the country for you.


They're not a majority, they're just organized better. And that's a typical Dieval argument; "you don't like morals and values" because you didn't vote for the supposed morals/values candidate. You people need to examine your own morals and values before judging others and implimenting policy based on
said morals.

[Gorgo]

I don't want to exaggerate and say that Bush is like Hitler, because he isn't yet. But it's the only analogy that I can think of because Bush is Hitler-lite, if you will. He is a murderous criminal, and those that back him are backing that criminal behavior.

I don't know why I want to mend the rift between me and those that want to engage in criminal, murderous, repressive behavior. Why would I want to do that?

[Technosoul]

Originally posted by kharmajunkie, Sorry to break it to you Tech, but the religious and moral majority won in the election. You don't like MORALS and VALUES, then this apparently isn't the country for you. They're not a majority, they're just organized better. And that's a typical Dieval argument; "you don't like morals and values" because you didn't vote for the supposed morals/values candidate. You people need to examine your own morals and values before judging others and implimenting policy based on said morals.

You are correct the Bush country is not my country, I live in the 49 percent section of the country. I agree with the idea that Bush won because religious groups got out the vote because they think he represents morality. But look what happened when Bin Laden influenced Afghanistan to become a strictly moral country under fundamentalistic standards of a religious nature, such fundamentalistic domination is dangerous no matter what Bible you use.

Now our Consitution and Bill of Rights contain all the morals and values that I need as an American and I do not think it needs changing to encourage hate crimes agenst gays, science, or other aspects of our culture.

Bush only won by a very small margin and who knows how smaller that margin would be if all the write-in votes were counted and tabulated as part of the count. Knowledge that we cannot confirm until near December. That small margin does not indicate that this country is totally, or even close to being totally under the roof of Bush's interpretation of morality. I do not see Larry Flint folding up shop.
I do not see people praying for world peace instead of building more bombs, where is their faith and trust in "divine protection"? You have elected a fantasy. You cannot make the theory of evolution of non-effect simply by putting a monkey in charge of the nation. Ha!

Love it, leave it, or change it. I like the 3rd choice.

What great morals you cite, conform and convert to the Church cult or get out and move to Canada. Those are the types of morals they preached to the Indians. Convert or get the hell out, so they moved them all out of our nation on seperated reservations - AKA concentration camps. Well you are going to need a bigger concentration camp for our 49 percent population then Canada.

Hear the drums of the great rain dance, prepare for Thunder Beings and the superstorms of our protest, we are just warming up globally - your kind only have 8 more years for your fundamentalism, then bye-bye.

Technosoul.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by tusaki,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tusaki,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Dieval, Jeeez, sounds like you want to turn Bush into Kerry....If the majority wanted Kerry they would have elected him.

Do you a) agree that the U.S. is more partisan than ever before? b) agree that no matter the REASON for this partisanship, it is not good for the U.S.? c) agree that the world has a less-than-positive view of the U.S. compared to before? d) that this is also bad for the U.S. and will end up hurting it more than doing it any good?

if you answer is 'yes' to any single one of these, then why don't you want to help think about what can be done to bring everyone back together again? are you happy the way it is?[/b][/quote]I agree that we will be better off having Bush as our President.

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by Dieval, I agree that we will be better off having Bush as our President.

Who are you agreeing with? Nobody on this thread...Oh I get it. You are agreeing with yourself.

A Dieval Original.

[CivicRacingGirl7]

Now our Consitution and Bill of Rights contain all the morals and values that I need as an American and I do not think it needs changing to encourage hate crimes agenst gays, science, or other aspects of our culture

Agreed. It is one thing for Bush to oppose abortions, gay marriages, stem-cell research... It is another to want them written into amendments. Is it just me, or have our amendments always bettered this country? Haven't they helped move this country forward? We are not at a time to move backwards, or stand still.

[Samildanach]

Next they will be trying to cross reference the amendentts with passages in the bible, you watch.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by PatrickHenry,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PatrickHenry,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Dieval, I agree that we will be better off having Bush as our President.

Who are you agreeing with? Nobody on this thread...Oh I get it. You are agreeing with yourself.

A Dieval Original.[/b][/quote]
Maybe I should have referenced my answer as option E...(A,B,C, & D just weren't enough options, I had to supply my own)...

[bishop]

notice how the only bush supporter posting here has absolutely NOTHING to say as to how bush can mend the rift...

you serve as a useful example dieval.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by bishop, notice how the only bush supporter posting here has absolutely NOTHING to say as to how bush can mend the rift... you serve as a useful example dieval.

I don't understand your logic...You talk about "mending the rift", yet your solutions sound exactly like what Kerry would have done, had he been elected. The majority of people in this country spoke and don't want those solutions so why carry them out? Kerry wasn't elected.

[kharmajunkie]

That's because Bush had nothing to say this morning about mending the rift in his press conference. He thinks he got a vote
of confidence from the American people. Fifty-one percent of the vote should not be a confidence builder; it should make you
question the way you handled the previous four years and look for ways to improve on your past performance. I didn't hear that from Bush; I heard the same platitudes he's been spewing for past four years.