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bishop · Nov 4, 2004, 01:15 pm

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I don't understand your logic...You talk about "mending the rift", yet your solutions sound exactly like what Kerry would have done, had he been elected. The majority of people in this country spoke and don't want those solutions so why carry them out? Kerry wasn't elected.

kindly point out what my solutions were.

no shit sherlock - bush isn't kerry and his solutions won't be the same as kerry's.. of course, i never suggested that they would or should be.

i'm asking what BUSH should do to mend the massive rift that exists in this country. that is, unless you think that a divided nation is a healthy nation.

you should view mending the rift as something that's in the nation's interests. unfortunately, you clearly do not. all i can say is that when the shoe eventually goes on the other foot, maybe then you'll see why a divided nation isn't a good thing.

Dieval · Nov 4, 2004, 01:16 pm

Why do you all assume that we are wrong??
Why doesn't the world try to "mend" relations with us??

bishop · Nov 4, 2004, 01:20 pm

how about this one - what will bush do to mend the rift WITHIN america?!?

Dieval · Nov 4, 2004, 01:21 pm

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Originally posted by bishop,

kindly point out what my solutions were.

no shit sherlock - bush isn't kerry and his solutions won't be the same as kerry's.. of course, i never suggested that they would or should be.

i'm asking what BUSH should do to mend the massive rift that exists in this country. that is, unless you think that a divided nation is a healthy nation.

you should view mending the rift as something that's in the nation's interests. unfortunately, you clearly do not. all i can say is that when the shoe eventually goes on the other foot, maybe then you'll see why a divided nation isn't a good thing.

Sorry, I must have overlooked the solutions you offered...oh wait, you only bitched and moaned about what I said...

bishop · Nov 4, 2004, 01:38 pm

i'm a member of the group who lost the election.. it's usually up to the victor to reach out to the loser, not the other way around.

further, the thread is about what BUSH should do to mend the rift. after all, he is the president. how about he acts like a president and unites the country?

so, maybe you can give it a whirl - how can bush help mend the rift?

tusaki · Nov 4, 2004, 01:57 pm

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Originally posted by Dieval,
I agree that we will be better off having Bush as our President.

I never questioned the merits or woes of having Bush as your president. Wether Kerry or Bush or Nader or Mickey Mouse is president doesn't matter for my original statement. Amazing how you jump to the conclusion that I was attacking Bush.

I just observe a few facts and ask for YOUR input on what can be done to mend them. What I said below that were MY suggestions. I have no idea if Kerry would have done that. I don't care. All I want to know is, what would you suggest to the President to help him unite the country and build support in the world. If one of your suggestions is "up yours world, we do what we like, now kiss our ass so we might like you", that's fine. That's your opinion. If that's what you think, please say so and please explain why you think this way.

Dieval · Nov 4, 2004, 03:30 pm

Sorry, but I just find the whole idea of "mending the rift", as you said, is unneccessary. The majority of people in this country are ok with the way things are going(as their vote showed). The rest need to get over if and deal with reality. They are the minority for a reason.

Gorgo · Nov 4, 2004, 04:03 pm

I think the idea was Bush's that we come to some kind of unity.

I don't see any point in unifying with insanity. Just because the majority of the voters decide they don't care about reality doesn't mean that I want to agree with them in any way. Bush is a criminal. I don't wish to support that in any way that I'm not forced to support that.

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Originally posted by Dieval,
They are the minority for a reason.

Dieval · Nov 4, 2004, 04:07 pm

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Originally posted by Gorgo,

I don't see any point in unifying with insanity. Just because the majority of the voters decide they don't care about reality doesn't mean that I want to agree with them in any way.

Hahahaha, I almost agree with what you said(except applied to the opposite people).....it should read -

"I don't see any point in unifying with insanity. Just because the minority of the voters decide they don't care about reality doesn't mean that I want to agree with them in any way. "

Gorgo · Nov 4, 2004, 04:21 pm

Yes, except there would be some basis in understanding that illegally attacking other countries would be an insane act.

Your position in fact has no basis in reality whatsoever.

Why do you continue to support these gangsters?

Dieval · Nov 4, 2004, 04:46 pm

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Originally posted by Gorgo,
Yes, except there would be some basis in understanding that illegally attacking other countries would be an insane act.

Your position in fact has no basis in reality whatsoever.

Why do you continue to support these gangsters?

Because I have almost the exact opposite view of them that you do. I believe that your views have absolutely no basis in reality. They are not gangsters. Not dealing with other countries and not using force(when needed) is insane. Etc, etc...

tusaki · Nov 4, 2004, 05:27 pm

Sonart · Nov 4, 2004, 05:49 pm

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I agree that we will be better off having Bush as our President.

Better off than what? I'm hardpressed to see how things can get worse.

Starboy · Nov 4, 2004, 06:04 pm

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Originally posted by tusaki,
The president has to unite the country and regain the trust and support of the world. I think this is the most important job now. In my opinion, it would have been easier with Kerry as president, but alas...

Some appear to be blaming the President for the division in this county. It think that is giving GW more credit than he deserves. He is simply riding on the division that has been created by a decade and a half of conservative media. It started with Gingrich and Limbaugh by whipping up hate by labeling people as feminazis and has progressed to turning liberal into a dirty word, all the while trumpeting conservatism as the only right way to be. It has been a systematic program to demonize half of the country. All Bush did was capitalize on it. We don't seem to be seeing each other as Americans anymore and as a result the values that are being most damaged by this deliberate polarization of America is American values. I don't blame Bush, I blame the conservative media. Bush is the product of such activity. It is time to start bashing the conservative media.

Starboy

Gorgo · Nov 4, 2004, 06:12 pm

Media means schools, TV, newspapers, movies,etc. It all has to change. The structure of the government has to change. Bush didn't start it and Bush sure isn't going to end it.

Dieval · Nov 4, 2004, 06:15 pm

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Originally posted by Sonart,
Better off than what?

Better off than having Kerry as President.

Compugasm · Nov 4, 2004, 07:11 pm

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Originally posted by Gorgo,
Yes, except there would be some basis in understanding that illegally attacking other countries would be an insane act.

It just occurred to me, if this is true, Saddam is being held illegally and should be released immediately.

Gorgo · Nov 4, 2004, 07:45 pm

What do you mean IF this is true?

lspiderl · Nov 4, 2004, 07:45 pm

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He is simply riding on the division that has been created by a decade and a half of conservative media.

wow where do YOU get your sources
the majority of the media is liberal NOT conservative
thats why most of the media was supporting kerry and dogging bush
media elites like dan rather as well as the new york times are u realy ignorent enough to not realize that the conservatives have little to no say in the matter u simply spout names of one or two individuals who have had years of experince to keep them from being washed away in the flood of liberal media like they are the media rather that the few remaing bastians of conservative voice left to it

Gorgo · Nov 4, 2004, 08:03 pm

The Liberal Media, RIP, Eric Alterman, The Nation, March 13, 2000

“Bill Kristol, perhaps the most honest and intelligent conservative in Washington (excluding, of course, that funny, friendly, charming McCain fellow). ‘The press isn't quite as biased and liberal. They're actually conservative sometimes,’ Kristol said recently on CNN. If Chris missed that one, he might have come across a similar admission by Kristol offered up in the spring of 1995. ‘I admit it,’ Kristol told The New Yorker. ‘The whole idea of the 'liberal media' was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures.’”

Nov 4, 2004, 01:16 pm	#22 (permalink) (top)
Dieval Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,766	Why do you all assume that we are wrong?? Why doesn't the world try to "mend" relations with us?? "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill

Nov 4, 2004, 01:20 pm	#23 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	how about this one - what will bush do to mend the rift WITHIN america?!? hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Nov 4, 2004, 01:38 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	i'm a member of the group who lost the election.. it's usually up to the victor to reach out to the loser, not the other way around. further, the thread is about what BUSH should do to mend the rift. after all, he is the president. how about he acts like a president and unites the country? so, maybe you can give it a whirl - how can bush help mend the rift? hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Nov 4, 2004, 03:30 pm	#27 (permalink) (top)
Dieval Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,766	Sorry, but I just find the whole idea of "mending the rift", as you said, is unneccessary. The majority of people in this country are ok with the way things are going(as their vote showed). The rest need to get over if and deal with reality. They are the minority for a reason. "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill

Nov 4, 2004, 05:27 pm	#32 (permalink) (top)
tusaki Playful Location: Groningen, the Netherlands Posts: 805	Hope & Dream

Nov 4, 2004, 04:21 pm	#30 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	Yes, except there would be some basis in understanding that illegally attacking other countries would be an insane act. Your position in fact has no basis in reality whatsoever. Why do you continue to support these gangsters?

Nov 4, 2004, 06:12 pm	#35 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	Media means schools, TV, newspapers, movies,etc. It all has to change. The structure of the government has to change. Bush didn't start it and Bush sure isn't going to end it.

Nov 4, 2004, 07:45 pm	#38 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	What do you mean IF this is true?

Nov 4, 2004, 08:03 pm	#40 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	The Liberal Media, RIP, Eric Alterman, The Nation, March 13, 2000 “Bill Kristol, perhaps the most honest and intelligent conservative in Washington (excluding, of course, that funny, friendly, charming McCain fellow). ‘The press isn't quite as biased and liberal. They're actually conservative sometimes,’ Kristol said recently on CNN. If Chris missed that one, he might have come across a similar admission by Kristol offered up in the spring of 1995. ‘I admit it,’ Kristol told The New Yorker. ‘The whole idea of the 'liberal media' was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures.’”