If it had been up to the world....

[syracusa]

Originally posted by PatrickHenry, Talking about my position, Dieval. I wasn't blaming the US for 9/11(although I have taken that tack in other, more conspiracy oriented threads). Just saying that it came from a source that can be understood in a more nuanced fashion than our President has articulated. That source is hatred for the US. What caused such murderous hatred? It's not freedom. Even Osama made that point very nicely, pointing out that AlQaeda doesn't target Sweden, a nation as free as America(possibly freer ) So if terrorists aren't after America for its freedom, why do they plan such horrid attacks? My views aren't leftist except in some special sense of that term. Is it leftist to observe that the US hasn't always been correct in its foreign policy? My other views may even be considered more conservative(or rightist) than your own, if you completely support President Bush. For instance I disagree with favoring foreign nations over our own citizens. Israel is not my country. I do not support the Israeli agenda wholesale. I favor limiting foreign immigration, and especially undocumented immigration. The Bush Administration has limited its enforcement of the invasion from Mexico. Why is it leftist to say that the US should not favor Communist China in trade relations? True that I think foreign wars are contrary to the national interest. Many leftists also hold this view. But my position is that these wars are not defensive, but show the hubris of the Imperial Establishment in Washington, DC. They are globalists, not patriots. They have an agenda for world dominion, not a real concern for the workers and families of the US. Their "moral" stance is just a smokescreen for a service to the money power that really motivates them. In my own personal views, I have no doubt that my social conservatism exceeds even your own. I just don't believe that morality can be legislated. Should there be a law against drunkenness, lying, adultery? I am in favor of less government regulation of our lives, not more. What is "left" about that? All of which is simply a defense of my CENTRIST observation that the US could do a better job of being an encourager of democracy in foreign nations. Instead, it has often been an overthrower of democratically elected governments and a supporter of tyranny. I would like to see this change. A change not likely under President Bush.

Great post. It was highly due.

[kharmajunkie]

Originally posted by Dieval, You people are far to worried about titles....left, right, etc....

You mean like way you label posters you disagree with here? If you need that sourced, look back at your own posts.

[Nono]

Originally posted by Dieval You people are just so far out in left field, it's not even funny...

More rant, Dieval. Personally I'll take that as a compliment since I agree that I'm on the left (as far as such relative labels make any sense). But there's a wide gap on a lot of issues between me and some of the others on this thread whom you're so lazily trying to scoop up there. However, it's inconvenient for you to notice that gap.

Rant, Dieval. You're making things way too easy for yourself.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by kharmajunkie, You mean like way you label posters you disagree with here? If you need that sourced, look back at your own posts.

You mean where I said some of you people are "out in left field"....do you not know what that means? I did use a pun, but pretty much what I meant is that alot of you have ideas about the US and the world that come out of left field, meaning they are pretty far removed from reality.

[Nono]

And he fouls away again...

[Dieval]

Originally posted by Pooeypants, That's your version of a precise location?

It is not my job to give you a precise location as to where to fight terror. I'm not part of the military, the intelligence agencies, or any other organization that deals with terrorism. If you want to know where we should fight terrorism, maybe you could contact your local intelligence agency and ask them. My remark basically said that it is better to fight the terrorists IN ANOTHER COUNTRY, rather then battle them here in our own streets.

[Nono]

As long as it's not in my backyard, eh?

[Dieval]

Originally posted by Nono, As long as it's not in my backyard, eh?

Actually, I was kind of thinking gr8's or gorgo's backyard would be acceptable place

[gr8fuldaniel]

Bring em on!
Except, I live in a Mobile Home Park, I have some cranky old neighbors that arent gonna put up with a bunch of racket.

Originally posted by Dieval, It is not my job to give you a precise location as to where to fight terror.

Terror is where you find it. We didnt find it in Iraq. Isnt terror a 1 : a state of intense fear ? What country is that state in? Every country, as long as GWBush is in charge.

[kharmajunkie]

DC, NY, and PA. All three hit on 9/11. All three won by Kerry.
The people that are falling for the Rove fear campaign don't even
live someplace that future terrorists are even targetting if we go by their past actions. Combine that fear with their irrational fear
of gay people and you win the heartland.

[Nono]

Originally posted by kharmajunkie The people that are falling for the Rove fear campaign don't even live someplace that future terrorists are even targetting.

But hey, Wyoming receives seven times more Homeland Security pork per capita than New York. Oink-oink.