Still at a loss

[Samildanach]

I am still at a loss how the Christian pro-lifers can vote for Bush.
They are clearly borderline insane if not well over the edge.
I mean they are PRO life yet they are supporting a man who starts wars which kill lots of people. How can they justify that? Not being American I might be missing some vital point in their philosophy, if someone could enlighten me I would appreciate it.

[giuliano]

he doesn't kill christians. except criminals.

[Samildanach]

ahhh I see, so the Christians don't have respect for life in general just other Christians. Got it. Thanks.

[giuliano]

that's a cynical way of viewing it.

think of it as investing in their future. their death is part of their education. by killing the bad muslims, the good muslims can grow.

see how easy that is to justify? mix in a subconscious aversion to heathens and you have a powerful political platform.

[Nono]

Originally posted by giuliano he doesn't kill christians. except criminals

Or anyone (black most likely) who's been so deemed by the "justice system". Many have been shown to be innocent when it was already uhh.. academic.

[Samildanach]

So how do the ten commandments..thou shalt not kill and all the rest of it fit in? Theres such a thing as a 'good muslim' in their view?

[giuliano]

yes a dead one :)

no seriously commandments are all good, but there are plenty of supplementary passages and phrases you can use to gloss over the commandments with.

christians love using the example of jesus losing his temper in the marketplace. this sanctions christian violence.

who are you to question jesus' wisdom?

[Samildanach]

Of course, jesus losing his temper justifies wars and killing.......righhht.....I'll just go and hide all my muslim paraphenalia

[Gorgo]

http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2004/10...erer-christian/

"It's like half this country wants to guide our ship of state by compass -- a compass, something that works by science and rationality, and empirical wisdom," quipped comedian Bill Maher on Larry King Live. "And half this country wants to kill a chicken and read the entrails like they used to do in the old Roman Empire."

[giuliano]

statistically speaking, you're quite safe as long as your nation's oil reserves don't rank in the top 10 :)

[Gorgo]

Or the bottom 182

[Samildanach]

What about if they want to put a pipeline through my country ?
Am I safe then?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by giuliano, he doesn't kill christians. except criminals.

What about our troops? I charge Bush with their blood.

[caspian88]

To be fair, it's not as if Kerry would be any better - if he were around, he would have still invaded Iraq. The only thing he would have done differently would have been to talk to the UN and ignored them, which would only cause more problems.

The problem is that both parties have adopted interventionism, a system that will cause more problems down the road than it already has - Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, etc. So, until we get a party that has a chance that supports nonintervantionism, we'll always be down this road of military action against othber nations.

[Technosoul]

I have often wondered if war is not a type of "late term abortion", is not removing Saddam from power (by soon killing him) not the same thing as aborting an unwanted child, he was unwanted by Bush and thus subject to termination - aborting this right to live in the normal world.

Life is life, how can you say abortion is not okay and capital punishment or war is okay?

Most people would think that a unborn, or a child that is not yet old enough to comprehend choice, is to be protected for moral reasons. But once a person has lived long enough to make moral choices and they pick the wrong choice. And they pick the choice not to conform to "God's law" or the laws of governmental opinion then by so doing they have surrendered thier right to life, due to their actions or how they chose to live that life.

We have the right to look both ways before crossing the street, or to walk into traffic and risk being killed. Going agenst the flow of traffic relative to the collective opinions as stated in law or ethical codes, would not be seen as the fault of the drivers who run over those who are foolish enough not look before crossing the momentum of destiny.

Hmmm? Not that I agree with that perspective, but wanted to toss it in for debate purposes.

Does that make any sense?
Technosoul.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Sounds fine to me Tech

[Technosoul]

Originally posted by Samildanach, What about if they want to put a pipeline through my country ? Am I safe then?

Only if you say no.

They used to use tobacco peace pipes, now it is about peace pipes for oil and gas. Just updated technology?

Pipelines speak louder then the old grapevine. Do anything you want but don't step on their pipeline - we don't need more countries out trying to terrorize the Oil Companies by saying no.

Geeez

[giuliano]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gr8fuldaniel,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-giuliano, he doesn't kill christians. except criminals.

What about our troops? I charge Bush with their blood.[/b][/quote]dying in uniform is not the same thing.

strange as it may seem, a lot of people queue up for it.

[gr8fuldaniel]

In his rush to war he didnt consider the human cost? What if we all rushed in to kill our neighbors. I know what you are saying. But the point I am making is that his recklessness has a price, and its not just what our grandkids will be paying Haliburton.

We are the bad guys here. If our guys were dying for our freedom, our rights, to protect our allies, it would be different. Our guys are following orders so its not on them.

No, this war is wrong so the whole expense is on the soul of GWBush. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So be it.

There is hope for everyone to repent, may his be today.