Bush has won

[bishop]

god help us.

[Scribbler1]

It doesn't matter much WHICH of them won. Just like in the campaigns it's pretty apparent that half of the country will hate the winner. If you thought Kerry was a liar or Bush was an asshole BEFORE last night your feelings won't change much when one is officially the President.
There used to be a little thing called a "mandate" presidents would seek to validate their victory as a sign the better part of the country WANTED them in and accepted them as their leader. This allowed them to put their own agenda forward in the knowledge thaty the country KNEW what he wanted and approved.
When the dust settles, Bush or Kerry will inherit a country just as bitterly divided as it was a week ago.

Unfortunately, it looks like this is the kind of election we can expect from now on.

[Samildanach]

Feel the civil war brewing.

[bishop]

ditto to that.. i feel closer to foreigners than i do members of my own country.

as sad as this is to admit - if the next attack were to occur in alabama, i doubt i'll give a damn. it'd almost be justice for the warmongers to get a taste of what they're asking for.

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by rcne, Dashchle gone is just a bonus. I hope that now, Bush will open communication channels with the rest of the world and begin to build a new bridge of communication with the rest of the world.

As soon as he drops the "You're either with us or against us" philosophy, he might actually get somewhere...

[Samildanach]

I think he actually finds it easier going it alone that way he doesn't have to justify himself to anyone and there doesn't have to be a consensus of any kind especially as hes now been completely vindicated by the overwhelming public support for his lets kick some towelhead ass policy...of course by the time hes completely wrecked the economy Hillary will be in charge so she will inherit the worst budget deficit in the history of the US so he has nothing to worry about.

[syracusa]

Originally posted by bishop, ditto to that..  i feel closer to foreigners than i do members of my own country.  as sad as this is to admit - if the next attack were to occur in alabama, i doubt i'll give a damn.  it'd almost be justice for the warmongers to get a taste of what they're asking for.

Oh...brother. I am soooo moving to Connecticut. Seriously. It's over.

I live in a Southern state. When I came over from Europe I picked this area becasue I had heard it was warm, and I just wanted to run away from cold weather at that time. I was young and knew nothing else about the US. Little did I know...

The only good thing that came out of it was my husband, whom I met here. He just received a job offer in CT ...and we were getting squimish about the real estate over there.
Yeah...it's really tough to exchange little southern "MacMansions", or sort of...for an incredibly modest place that a 6 figure income can get you over there.

HOWEVER...after this, we are SO going.
I guess this is the price one must pay to live in a blue state (to be read "among sane people"). I don't care f I have to live in a rat hole for the rest of my days, I am freakin' outta here.
I will leave wishing each and every one of these retard rednecks to lose their jobs and their health care one by one until they squirm on the ground; and maye when it will get to hurt really bad, maybe then, they will get their priorities right.

As far as I am concerned, the coasts and the rest of the US are not only two different countries but more than anything else, two different cultures. I have lived here for 7 years and I still feel like i am living among irrational aliens. And this feelng has nothig to do with nationality but with the worldview....Like bishop said, I have often felt closer to people of many different nations than I have felt to those from my own.

I would much rather vote for the separation of this country into the two ...or three? ...different states that it is ....than have some retards force their dogmatic and schizophrenic worldviews onto my life, my uterus, my pockets, my everything.

If I never saw the South again, it would be too soon.

Unification my A***.

[gr8fuldaniel]

The BIG PROBLEM is, the Democratic Party didnt give us a candidate we could love and fight for on purpose. He really was like Bush Lite. We were offered another "War President" who even in his concession speech, offered The War in Iraq and the "War on Terror" in the same breath. The left-right circus is a 2 ring circus ........and I am sick of all the damn Elephant Shit all over everything.

[syracusa]

No. Kerry was "Bush Lite" because he HAD TO be.

Americans are war mongers by nature, hence they can be bought with "tough talk" rhetoric. It suits the powerful like the sweetest deal.
Do not tell me that if you had a guy who was the TRUE opposite of Bush, he would have done better .
You had Dean, you did shit with him.
Americans hated him to death becaue he was not "war mongering" enough and he was too..."liberal".

Dress everything yuo want with the word "left" or "liberal" and you have Americans squirming with discomfort.
It's called stupidity.

It wil one day come back to haunt all the suckers who work to build and maintain their own oppression and troubles.
And I hope it will hurt bad - I will be out of here at that time.
So I'll have fun from a distance.

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, The BIG PROBLEM is, the Democratic Party didnt give us a candidate we could love and fight for on purpose. He really was like Bush Lite. We were offered another "War President" who even in his concession speech, offered The War in Iraq and the "War on Terror" in the same breath. The left-right circus is a 2 ring circus ........and I am sick of all the damn Elephant Shit all over everything.

Compared to Bush, the Dems DID give us a candidate we could fight for. Whether FOR Kerry or AGAINST Bush the effect was the same. In effect, the Republican Party gave us a Democratic candidate we could fight for.Kerry's defeat was in large part because of all the smears against him.

When Cheney said we would probably be attacked if we elected Kerry, the idiot sheep listened. When the Swift Boat Traitors for Truth spread the most foul lies about the man, the idiot sheep listened. When the lies and scare tactics were exposed for what they were, the idiot sheep DIDN'T listen, because they felt they had heard all they needed to hear.

[bishop]

Like bishop said, I have often felt closer to people of many different nations than I have felt to those from my own.

i grew up in northern jersey, 30 minutes south of nyc.. i grew up in a multicultural environment where you naturally see all people as equal - initially at least, idiots can be found everywhere. i'd never live in the south. they represent the america that civilized americans would love to leave imo. (i have no love for rednecks.)


i agree scribs... the time wasted on vietnam was a killer. kerry's campaign could've done better - he spent too much time searching for his voice.

[Scribbler1]

It did seem like he was awfully slow out of the gate, didn't it? I'm not saying his campaign didn't make mistakes, but I do believe the same people who STILL believe there are/were WMD's in Iraq and those who voted for "moral character" over the economy and the war were just boobs who believed what they were told and voted for the comfortable lie.

As for Kerry mistakes, his attempt to motivate under 30 and first time voters was a joke. What was he THINKING when he had Springsteen up there playing??? You want the under 30 vote and you put up a guy whose fan base is starting to think ear hair is a sign of masculinity!

[bishop]

*sigh*

depression is the acknowledgement that our entire future is now in the hands of people we oppose - with very good reason. the only shred of hope that i have is that the dems can filibuster bush's judge nominees.

that sound we heard yesterday was our future being flushed down the toilet.

[giuliano]

Originally posted by Scribbler1, It did seem like he was awfully slow out of the gate, didn't it?

that's how challengers are supposed to run their campaign, according to conventional wisdom.

elections are always about the encumbent, challengers normally focus on attacking their performance rather than pushing their own policies.

at least that's what i've heard pundits say.

mind you, it's hard work convincing evangelicals to surrender their faith.

[Nono]

Originally posted by syracusa+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (syracusa)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I picked this area becasue I had heard it was warm[/b]

All them burnin crosses.

You had Dean, you did shit with him

If the Bushistas could savage Kerry the way they did, imagine what they would have done to Dean. Mincemeat.

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the same people who STILL believe there are/were WMD's in Iraq ...[/quote]

I read in a British magazine last week the (recently polled) figure of 73% of Republican voters believing both that and the idea that Saddam was behind 911. Theys jes deaf, dumb an blind -- what can ya do?

[Nono]

Originally posted by Scrib ... a guy whose fan base is starting to think ear hair is a sign of masculinity!

You mean it isn't?! Uh-oh.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Kerry was the worst of the 10 Dem candidates, imo. Maybe not worse than Joe Lieberman, but hes not really a Dem, is he? If they had given us one of the anti-war candidates, he could have won in landslide. It would be easy to prove how wrong this war is. No, they had to give us a proponant for the war. In his concession speach Kerry told a lie of Presidential quality:

Originally posted by Kerry,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kerry,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> NY Times transcript, Kerry Concession...we must stand together and succeed in Iraq and win the war on terror.[/b]

As if the war in Iraq and the war on terror were the same thing.

<!--QuoteBegin-Kerry,
In America it is vital that every vote count and that every vote be counted. But the outcome should be decided by voters, not a protracted legal process. [/quote]Yeah but, until you idiots figure out a way to do your job and run a fair election and to stop them from suppressing the will of the people, we will need to see some heads rolling from the voter fraud perps. Send them a message that they will not get away with this shit.

Incompetence is poor excuse for a standard practice in America.

New idea for a national anthem:" Voter Fraud; The American Way"

I could never really get behind this guy, I had a Kerry Bumper Sticker that I never put on my truck. I now see why, Kerry is pro-Bush. We didnt really need another war president, But we definately know how bad Bush is. Kerry was only a chance for someone less despised.

Now our fight turns back to impeachment.

(Edit to remove bad idea. OOps I added a good idea too, (forgot I was in edit mode ))

[Compugasm]

gr8fuldaniel, as much as I've loved seeing you rake Kerry over the coals the last few days, impeachment is equally pointless. The Libertarian message couldn't be more clear. Do NOT trust your government.

[Nono]

Originally posted by Comp impeachment is equally pointless

You mean simply impossible in the present congress.
But the attempt might be beneficial.

[m5lange1]

Now that we have a winner.... can we really try for United we stand?

I sure hope so.

I hope Moore saves any film ideas for another 3 years at least.

I hope right wing talk radio is gracious (and intelligent) enough to stop spending hours everyday tellinng one half of the country why they should hate the other half, at least until they have a need to rally voter support again.

I hope Al Frankin goes back to comedy writhing and stops throwing wood on the hatred fire.

I hope Ann Coulter finds a real job (not holding by breath on that one).

Maybe next time the election will really be more about issues and less about "I hate your guy cuz you hate mine".

Here's hoping.