bin laden tactics working...

[bishop]

(CNN) -- The Arabic-language network Al-Jazeera released a full transcript Monday of the most recent videotape from Osama bin Laden in which the head of al Qaeda said his group's goal is to force America into bankruptcy. Al-Jazeera aired portions of the videotape Friday but released the full transcript of the entire tape on its Web site Monday. "We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah," bin Laden said in the transcript. He said the mujahedeen fighters did the same thing to the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s, "using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers." "We, alongside the mujahedeen, bled Russia for 10 years until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat," bin Laden said. He also said al Qaeda has found it "easy for us to provoke and bait this administration." "All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations," bin Laden said.

if a tactic of his plan includes bankrupting our country, he's succeeding in it..

of course, he's also talking out of his ass - i find it unlikely that he would've thought that we'd invade iraq.

but.. never say never i guess..

[lspiderl]

dont u find it just a bit disconcerting and contradictory
if he's so easly manipulating bush
and absoloutly unafraid of him why is he threating to attack us again if bush wins?
wouldnt he want to keep bush in office
wouldnt he want kerry to loose
WHY then is he suporting john kerry why does he want kerry in office?and why realy why would u want to vote for a canidate that BIN LADDEN WANTS IN OFFICE?

[bishop]

or, if bin laden's goal is to destroy our country by bankrupting it - he supports bush for president.

you can spin this more than one way.


regardless of binny's views, i don't want 4 more years of the current asshat in charge. and if bin laden secretly prefers kerry, then so be it. i don't give a shit what he likes or doesn't like.

bush doesn't give a damn about bin laden... i do, i'm just not going to base my vote on what ol' binny wants.

[giuliano]

don't forget bush acceded to bin laden's demand that he withdraw troops from saudi arabia

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by lspiderl, WHY then is he suporting john kerry why does he want kerry in office?and why realy why would u want to vote for a canidate that BIN LADDEN WANTS IN OFFICE?

The conservative spin is that Kerry would not be as tireless an enemy of Al Qabong as Bush is.
You could spin this one BOTH ways if you wanted. The above reason, or we should KEEP Bush because he is not any real threat to OBL.
Of course we don't really know what Bin Laden really meant. Your explanation comes from an analyst, and it's based on the fact that a certain word Bin Laden said about him watching the states to see which way they went could mean "country" as in the U.S., England, Etc. or "state" as in New Jersey, Coloorado, etc.

And the true bottom line is, I don't give a sweet shit WHO wants Bush OR Kerry to win. My vote goes to whichever candidate I choose and there ain't a person on the planet gonna change that.

[Sonart]

Osama's simply welcoming whoever wins to the brave new world of endless guerilla war and terrorism in Iraq, and he's laughing his ass off doing it, sniggering at 'My Pet Goat'.

[Compugasm]

Originally posted by Scribbler1, Of course we don't really know what Bin Laden really meant.

Hmm, Bin Laden can't negotiate on a state by state level if he is commanded by the Quran to wage war. From the full text version of Osam's Letter to America - Sunday November 24, 2002:

"You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom. You have continued to sink down this abyss from level to level until incest has spread amongst you, in the face of which neither your sense of honour nor your laws object."

Nevada or California would somehow be exempt from this in supporting Kerry? Ha, since we're second guessing, it might be his excuse to step up attacks since "morality" has been argued it would decline. Maybe the war has got him on the run, and he's trying to negotiate. Maybe OBL was killed in February, and the whole tape was made up, like a Forrest Gump kinda thing but they just move his mouth. We'll never know.

Originally posted by bishop, (CNN) -- The Arabic-language network Al-Jazeera released a full transcript Monday of the most recent videotape from Osama bin Laden in which the head of al Qaeda said his group's goal is to force America into bankruptcy. Al-Jazeera aired portions of the videotape Friday but released the full transcript of the entire tape on its Web site Monday. "We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah," bin Laden said in the transcript. He said the mujahedeen fighters did the same thing to the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s, "using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers." "We, alongside the mujahedeen, bled Russia for 10 years until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat," bin Laden said. He also said al Qaeda has found it "easy for us to provoke and bait this administration." "All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations," bin Laden said. if a tactic of his plan includes bankrupting our country, he's succeeding in it.. of course, he's also talking out of his ass - i find it unlikely that he would've thought that we'd invade iraq. but.. never say never i guess..

What a crock...BIn Laden convienently forgets the fact that without CIA training, arms, and money...and more importantly Stinger air to air missiles...the chances of the mujahadeen ever winning in Afghanistan was slim and none....the Russian Hind gunships were very successful in combat operations.the mujahadeen were on the losing end..that is until we really opened the checkbook for them. Sometimes I wish the benefit of hindsight if we had left the towel-wearing 7th century wannabees to swing in the wind, the Russians would have completed their war of conquest and that would have been it...I could have lived with them having a soviet government in Afghanistan...it would have collapsed anyway after the Cold War ended.

[bishop]

yet the size of the insurgency has increased after the occupation.. it's amazing how you fail to grasp the most basic facts.

[giuliano]

we saw the same thing in vietnam. sure they had help. but sheer willpower and fearlessness will almost always outlast miltiary superiority.

in these people's minds, it's better to die fighting than submit to the US occupation. in US minds, they will get bored after a while and head home.

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by ACause, Sometimes I wish the benefit of hindsight if we had left the towel-wearing 7th century wannabees to swing in the wind, the Russians would have completed their war of conquest and that would have been it...I could have lived with them having a soviet government in Afghanistan...it would have collapsed anyway after the Cold War ended.

SOMETIMES??? Meditate on these thoughts and they will clear your mind ACause...

US meddling has created an enormous backlash, resulting in LESS security not more. Why won't the globalist cabal just tend to business at home, looking after Americans?

Oh, dumb question. They are globalists, not Americans first. Effen traitors to their oaths...

[n-dependant]

we saw the same thing in vietnam. sure they had help. but sheer willpower and fearlessness will almost always outlast miltiary superiority.

Actually that was sheer willpower and fearlessness of our enemies out lasted our own. We defeated our selves in Vietnam.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Several Translations of the OBL Full Transcript
Some of OBL's claims are not so far fetched. For instance:

Originally posted by OBL+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OBL)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>But the darkness of the black gold blurred his vision and insight, and he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of America.[/b]

And this:

Originally posted by OBL@ So I say to you, over 15 000 of our people have been killed and tens of thousands injured, while more than a thousand of you have been killed and more than 10 000 injured. And Bush's hands are stained with the blood of all those killed from both sides, all for the sake of oil and keeping their private companies in business.

This: <!--QuoteBegin-OBL
Contrary to what [President George W.] Bush says and claims -- that we hate freedom --let him tell us then, "Why did we not attack Sweden?"[/quote]I am not sympathetic to murderers like Bush or OBL, I believe diplomacy should be given every percievable oportunity to reach a friendly compromise. War begets War which oddly enuff, begets war. The Global powers that be would have you believe perpetual war is necessary for perpetual peace, War is Peace in other words.

If we are supposedly a Christian Nation, where is the Christianity in pre-emptive strikes, let alone "Turning the other cheek " as the Christ himself preached. Did Christ authorize some secret decoder ring that gives special interpretations to special denominations. Show me in the new testament where God enjoys and blesses mass murderers like Bush, Osama and Manson.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by bishop, and if bin laden secretly prefers kerry, then so be it. i don't give a shit what he likes or doesn't like.

I would think OBL feels safer with Dumbya in charge. Bush dropped the ball and admitted OBL isnt exactly dominating the pea brain of shrub.

Provided OBL is still alive, (Any witnesses? Anybody think to ask for "proof of life") Bear in mind OBL is left-handed (The guy in the tape was favoring his right hand)

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by bishop, yet the size of the insurgency has increased after the occupation.. it's amazing how you fail to grasp the most basic facts.

Oh no..I grasp that fact..I fail to see how you would think that...of course the insurgency has increased...originally it was the Sunni/Baathist who were knocked off their priviledged pedestal wanting to get back at us for removing them from power...then you add the Shiites of Sadr's camp who are backed by Iran with funds and arms...then you add the foreign fighters of the Al-Queda spliter group Al-Ansar Islam.....this only shows me they are so desperate they could never allow for a Iraq free of Islamic fundamentalism or a country with democratic principles.

Originally posted by giuliano, we saw the same thing in vietnam. sure they had help. but sheer willpower and fearlessness will almost always outlast miltiary superiority. in these people's minds, it's better to die fighting than submit to the US occupation. in US minds, they will get bored after a while and head home.

You're kidding right??...read your history kiddo...the VietCong's biggest push of the Vietnam War..the Tet Offensive in which they massed nearly everything they had hit over 80 provincial cities and towns across South Vietnam...they got their asses handed to them on a platter...they were decimated afterwards...

Were it not for the North's constant rearming them, and after TET actually taking over from the VietCong...they would have lost the war, it would have been only a matter of attrition.

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by ACause,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ACause,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-bishop, yet the size of the insurgency has increased after the occupation..  it's amazing how you fail to grasp the most basic facts.

Oh no..I grasp that fact..I fail to see how you would think that...of course the insurgency has increased...originally it was the Sunni/Baathist who were knocked off their priviledged pedestal wanting to get back at us for removing them from power...then you add the Shiites of Sadr's camp who are backed by Iran with funds and arms...then you add the foreign fighters of the Al-Queda spliter group Al-Ansar Islam.....this only shows me they are so desperate they could never allow for a Iraq free of Islamic fundamentalism or a country with democratic principles.[/b][/quote]

How do you know which people make up this insurgency? It's not like you can do a poll while they're shooting at you, and I doubt the majority of them would bother to identify themselves.

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by bishop, laden tactics working...

(CNN) -- The Arabic-language network Al-Jazeera released a full transcript Monday of the most recent videotape from Osama bin Laden in which the head of al Qaeda said his group's goal is to force America into bankruptcy. Al-Jazeera aired portions of the videotape Friday but released the full transcript of the entire tape on its Web site Monday. "We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah," bin Laden said in the transcript. He said the mujahedeen fighters did the same thing to the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s, "using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers." "We, alongside the mujahedeen, bled Russia for 10 years until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat," bin Laden said. He also said al Qaeda has found it "easy for us to provoke and bait this administration." "All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations," bin Laden said.

I wonder Osama was able to create that "masterpiece" on his own, especially since looking at that released tape, he resembles a creature that needs a medical assistance, not to mention a psychiatric ward would serve him the best.

[Technosoul]

When more then expected of the WTC came tumbling down Bin Laden in effect said.

"Praise God, this is how God wanted it to be"

And when President Bush conducted his war on terrorism and came up with the idea to convert the Islamic community over to secular philosophies about freedom and a democratic rule he said "That is how God wants to to be done".

Both men got their mission ideas from out of the blue and have stated that they are operating on that authority.

We are in what religions call a holy war. Another war of the gods.

It might be all wrapped up in politics and national interests, but it is clear both leaders think some more anonymous "divine" objective is being played out, as they say in Star Wars, may the Force be with you. That whole mythology has uprooted this war from any foundation in a down-to-earth perspective. The Para-righteous love the challenges of this war. While the rest of us who are not caught up in such mythology sit on the sidelines and wonder "what in the world are thinking"?

Thinking? What's that got to do with anything?

Is Bin Laden being more effective the President Bush? I don't know, perhaps only God knows.

Technosoul.