Which Party Do You Trust More?

[Anarchist Patriot]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
Well I frankly don&#39;t care, since I&#39;m not American. However I vote Liberal, which is Australian version of Republican.

Also I would vote for an ultra-nationalist party when I spend in China, unfortunately the government isn&#39;t prone to giving us democracy anytime in the future.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
How is the Australian Liberal party like the Republicans?
I would imagine its more like the Conservative Party, if anything.

[Impenitent]

liberal anywhere else in the world means liberty
liberal in america means democRATS in government can run your life better than you can, so you can be their happy tax slave...

[jhfenton]

I voted Republican for lack of another choice. I at least know a few libertarian Republicans who share most of my views. Bush certainly isn&#39;t in that category, though, so I&#39;ll be voting Libertarian in this year&#39;s presidential election.

[Greg]

Hehehehehe no politcal parties. This is my first post and I was wondering why all you people vote democratic it&#39;s easy to say that when to my recollection the democratic party hasn&#39;t had many times in government in US. One of the reasons why the democratic/liberal party worked in Canada is because the vast majority of us will conform to the well being of the populace. Before you say that US does the same look at your past unlike Canada you fought for your freedom which unlike most people believe democracy isn&#39;t that very free if you want equality(ie Taxing/taking from the rich to give to the poor isn&#39;t very free).So I would vote democratic but the possiblities of it&#39;s success is low because of your past and the financal support that the republican party gets.

[RANT]

Neither and both.

The safest thing for the future of liberty in the US, is for the houses and executive branches to remain divided between the ruling parties. As is evidenced by the current Republican reign, when one party has too much control, government grows unchecked.

My philosophy on government mirrors that of Jefferson "that government is best which governs least". Neither party governs like this anymore, even though the Republicans campaign on such a platform.

Thus, our best bet is division. A divided government gets less done, which is just fine by me.

[Solfleur]

Democrats, absolutely&#33;

What we have right now in the republican party is neofascism and an ultra ultra right agenda of hitlerian proportions...and that&#39;s no exaggeration. Don&#39;t believe me, do a google on Ashcroft and detention camps for us citizens deemed "enemy combatatants." It&#39;s being accomplished for the most part through tight fisted media control and fear mongering orchestrated by today&#39;s Hermann Goering, Herr Karl Rove. Compare these quotes.
"I know two types of law because I know two types of men, those who are with us and those who are against us."
- Hermann Goering, 1936
"You are either with us or against us."
- George W. Bush, November 2001

Sure, that&#39;s just one small example, but it encapsulates the entire spirit of the current regime in Washington. It incorporates also Goerings assertion (I believe it originated with him) that if you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth, thus the fact that so many dull Americans STILL to this day believe that Iraq and the "evil Saddam" ...you know, the drugged old guy they were LED to in that hole in Iraq...the one with the box of American dollars...are related to bin Laden and the Taliban. It&#39;s crazy, but people are too busy being titillated by prurient details about Michael Jackson&#39;s nonexistent sex life to care about "little" things like 500 dead American men and women and 10,000 dead Iraqis whose only goal in life was to stay alive another day or two in the effing desert. We have an entire generation of men and women who volunteered to protect and defend the people of this country now wondering if they&#39;ve been trying to kill people who never really intended to do them any harm, and they&#39;re getting screwed in the...well, they&#39;re being royally screwed over by the guy and the party who sent them there.

The economy is improving...yeah...for HUGE corporations who are now banking offshore tax free and getting slave labor from Africa and India, but meanwhile our unemployment rate is the highest it&#39;s been since the great depression. THREE MILLION FAMILIES have lost their incomes. That&#39;s INSANE&#33; ...and this BOZO and his party tell us things are BETTER and people BUY it&#33; Why do they buy it? Because the media TELLS them to.

Then there are taxes. Tax breaks...sure. For the top 1-10% of the wealthiest in the country. For the rest of us, our insurance, tuition and other expenses have skyrocketed so high that the pittance we may or may not have gotten by way of a tax break disappeared a long time ago. Health care is impossible for many of us, which is criminal, because most of the money for that is lining the pockets of politicians, insurance executives and pharmaceutical executive and lobbyists...and what is left just MIGHT get you seen in a local ER if you&#39;re still alive when your number comes up. Things have GOT to change, and it&#39;s NOT the fat cat republicans who are going to change things.

We need to support a democrat...and we need to support a combination of ELECTABLE democrats, then appoint some of these other guys like Kucinich to some high powered positions, like Secretary of Health and Social Services. He&#39;d be great there or anywhere else he has a say, but he won&#39;t be our next president. I think a Clark/Edwards ticket would be hard to beat, but I&#39;ll take ANY of these guys over the lying AWOL monkey&#39;s ass we have in office now&#33;

[The Fyrdman]

*grumbles*

I, for all those new people, am a Communist (of the anarchist kind, so please, no comparisons to Stalin, they don&#39;t fit), and really do dislike Bush. But he isn&#39;t a fascist, or neo-fascist. Corporate whore, maybe, but no fascist. The fascist label is thrown around too loosely, and I&#39;ll admit I&#39;ve done it myself before, but can we stick to the real terms for sakes of accuracy?

[Solfleur]

Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: &#39;fa-"shi-z&m also &#39;fa-"si-
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date: 1921
1 : often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition (With all due resepct to your semantic sensitivity, if my use of "neo-fascist" doesn&#39;t fit the "war on terra" and the illegal and immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq, not to mention "first amendment zones" in which anyone who protests Bush has been confined to since the inauguration, I am at a loss as to what MAY in your book do so.)

[Famicommie]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (karencv,)
If you are on this message board, you sure should trust the democrats a lot more than the republicans. The republicans want to take us back to 1920 when there was no overtime, no social security, no osha, no legalized abortion and very little birth control.Back when the labor laws very much favored the employers over the unions. To them, the corporation is king and they think we are here to serve it. The Democrats are not perfect, but at least they even out the playing field a little and pay some attention to the environment. Investigate just a little, and see what George Bush has done with executive orders and regulations that he can change in regards to the environment.

Be afraid. Be very afraid. Just think about what he could do in four more years with a republican congress.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

If you are on this message board, you should accept the fact that others are going to have different opinions than you. Some people actually believe that globalization is a good thing. I know it&#39;s frightening, but they can even justify their positions reasonably well.

[The Fyrdman]

Neo-Fasicst - A movement inspired by the tenets and methods of fascism or Nazism

Fascism is a reaction to the principles and movements of the liberal revolutions of the early 1800&#39;s, thats is liberalism, socialism (not the prelude to communism style as espoused by Lenin), communism.

The idea is that the fascist movement will allow the country a re-birth into a new glory, free from the corruption, decadence and decay of it&#39;s prior state. This involves a cleansing of the nation of the corruption (none-nationals and anyone who could possibly oppose the fascist movement).

A fundamental part of this is that there is a single leader who can interpret the national need, and all are subserviant to his (by proxy the nations) will.

Now as awful as Bush is, I don&#39;t think he is leading a movement that fits the description of fascism. He is not interested in preserving the American &#39;stock&#39;, as is shown by his new immigration proposals. He is not interested in creating an America of his own vision. He is just using it to his own personal benefit, regardless of the consequences.

Bush is an imperialist, not a fascist. Imperialism is a mode of being for a state whose economic growth is threatened, so uses the military to preserve itself and enforce it&#39;s will. Imperialism cannot be sustained, it must, like capitalism, continually expand, or it collapses. Unless Bush and his kind are prepared to conquer the world, this project will stutter and fail, collapsing in on itself.

[jhfenton]

Bush is a big-government, neo-conservative imperialist. (I think the last two terms are somewhat redundant.) Every one of the current Democratic Presidential candidates would be worse.

Sadly, I will not be old enough to run for president until next year. :)

[Catch 22]

I&#39;m not a big fan of either parties I&#39;m a green member myself. However in the overall scheme of things the democrats are better.