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The fact that this comes from "Fox", kind of makes it pointless to even debate, seriously, they think the world is 6000 years old, don't they? What kind of "news" channel is that?
"They?" What kind of logic is that?Quote by: DavidSupreme
If the terrain and the map do not agree, follow the terrain.
When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become a new race.
I would think "tendencies" might be inherited, but the end product: if there is an "end," is born of both these tendencies and experience. Some of us are more genetic oriented; so maybe there are those who are more "liberal" because of their genes, and some are far less affected by genetic tendencies. It's all very individual.When it comes to political ideologies or sexual preferences etc, I believe that none of those types of human traits are inherited, and that they are totally born out of each of our life's experiences via our environment.
Then you have the definition problem. I think if you get any two people together the more specific they try to define Liberal, or Conservative, the less likely they are to agree. And the definition itself within society does shift.
Plus, the idea that is something is genetic one can't help oneself really isn't true... unless you're talking about something we have no control over like cancer. We do have more control over what we think, what we believe and how we act upon those assumptions and presumptions.
Since I haven't whored myself out in a while, don't know about the second.Is there also a gambling gene? A whoring gene? A lying gene? Psycho-babble pseudo-science bullshit.
Lying I would think would be more behaviorist in nature.
But gambling?
You know my father was the same. So was my grandfather. I walk into a casino and I just don't get it. Sure: I've played. I still don't get it. No desire. No need. Doesn't do anything for me, win or lose. Like watching paint dry and then waiting for the wall to rot away with natural decay.
I think with gambling there may be a natural, genetic, tendency. Probably genetically related to alcoholism... etc. A gene that makes one, more or less, prone to be an addict.
A "liberal" gene? Eh, not so much.
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Why is it all one or the other? Some people can eat tons of sugar daily, for their entire lives, and not develop diabetes. Some can't. Some people are born with a genetic predisposition to the disease and never develop the disease. Some do. Why is that? Ummm, could it be because it takes, in some instances, both genetics and environment to reach certain outcomes? Well, howdy! Not black, not white, gray!
All I see when I look down, something jumpin' on the ground, Scratchin' dirt, cluckin' in the barnyard -
Tell me, could that be you?
John Kay
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Both my parents were FDR hating, Nixon loving conservatives. He was a physician, she was a registered nurse until her second child, my younger brother, was born.
I was the eldest of 5 children, by 1 year 3 months. As research has suggested, I had the highest IQ. As research has also suggested, I received the strictest upbringing.
Of the five kids, I was the only one with artistic talent. None of the other four had even a smidge of art talent. The two older boys (behind me) had zero art talent, and both wanted to be cops. My sister, the next smartest, wanted to be a vet, but became a housewife. The youngest was the only motor head, and works assembling commercial aircraft.
Of the five kids, I was the only one who turned out politically liberal. Three were strongly conservative, while the youngest brother was apolitical.
So I'd be curious about what environmental experiences defined me as the clear black sheep from all the rest.
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I don't suffer from insanity... I thoroughly enjoy it
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Apparently, yes.
Study Identifies Gene In Mice That May Control Risk-Taking Behavior In Humans - ScienceDaily, 2005
Risk taking: Is it in our genes? - Daily Helmsman, 2010 - "Risk taking is a reinforced behavior, but also some people have a 'risk-taking' gene that could lead them to take risks," he said. "The gene is related to the dopamine receptor, which makes you feel good when you do something."
Scientists Bet There's a Gambling Gene - Newser, 2009 - Study suggests genetics behind taking money risks
A study of the dopamine D2 receptor gene in pathological gambling.- PubMed, 1996
Not to mention that gambling addiction is classified as a behavioral addiction by the American Pschiatric Association.
Interestingly enough, those with strong leadership abilities also find it easier, and are more adept at lying, and leadership itself is mostly an innate ability.
Do Presidents Lie? - Psychology Today, 2009 - "But much of leadership, particularly the "public" aspects of leadership involve the very same social skills that are involved in lying successfully. To be successful, the liar, and the leader, must create the impression of forthrightness and confidence. A stumbling, faltering performance leads the audience to suspect the liar and to lose faith in the leader.
Two critical social skills seem to connect the effective liar and the effective leader: What I call Social Expressiveness (a combination of verbal fluency and self-presentational skill) and Social Control (sophisticated social acting skill). Combined these two social skills represents what is commonly termed "savoir-faire." That is the connection. In very early research, we discovered that people with savoir-faire were more successful liars. Our current research is showing that persons possessing savoir-faire are more likely to be selected for leadership positions, and they are more successful leaders."
What does it mean for a trait to be genetic? - Philosophy of Genetics, 2010 - "So 'leadership is genetic' is also a shorthand way to say 'some people have the natural motivation to lead' and others have an interest in following, due to genetic differences. Social skills are also genetic and vary across the population.
Leaders (monkeys and college fraternity presidents) have higher levels of the chemical serotonin in their brains than do followers. So 'leadership is genetic' also means that our genes direct the manufacture of certain chemicals in the brain that correlate with leadership. The more of a leader you are, the more serotonin is manufactured in your brain. Having high levels of serotonin is correlated with 'social ease' and 'calmer behavior in problem solving situations' and conflict management. Brain chemicals can have a profound effect on behavior, because the brain is designed (by the genes) to be affected by these chemicals."
In other words, minorwork, be careful what you mock.
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I don't suffer from insanity... I thoroughly enjoy it
Must be the mocking gene midichlorians are strong in me. It's not my fault, uh, not everything is my fault since there is no black and white only yellow, as Skins points out.
If the terrain and the map do not agree, follow the terrain.
When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become a new race.
It may be our (I do include myself here) genetic nature to mock, but we both also chose to nurture the tendency. Since there are few absolutes in this world, one must address specifics when attempting to poo-poo the relative strength or weakness of the genetic component of anything. The genetically predisposed to schizophrenia do not get to pick whether or not the "nurture" component of external stressors are present. Just remember, in the "yellow" world, some things are and some things are not under our direct control. Simply accepting the fact that genetics plays a part in some particular something does not mean that that something is absolutely completely out of your control. No one (with a brain) who points out the existence of genetic predictors argues that the genes tell the whole story or always indicate inevitability. Case by case, genetic predisposition by genetic predisposition man!
All I see when I look down, something jumpin' on the ground, Scratchin' dirt, cluckin' in the barnyard -
Tell me, could that be you?
John Kay
I'm with you. I think I dare to be. The article went overboard, conflating the genetic binding of behavior by, in this case, the DRD4 gene. My breast cancer researcher friend has repeatedly voiced his frustrations at the redundant mechanisms in the genome that defies his attempts to narrow the cause of a condition to only one gene. Then here comes this pop science article proposing that the complex is simple. I think there is a tendency to pseudoscience psychology going on here that ignores an individual's grasping of opportunity. Must be human nature, eh?
If the terrain and the map do not agree, follow the terrain.
When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become a new race.
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Wow, sarcasm... what a clever rebuttal to sourced, empirical evidence. Pretty weak.
Or as Jawaharlal Nehru once said, “Life is like a game of cards. The hand you are dealt is determinism; the way you play it is free will.”
A great deal of evidence is now suggesting that many, many so called 'genetic traits' are actually combinations of genetic traits acting together to create unique responses. The 'God Spot' or the religious "gene" being the perfect example of actually several brain functions working in concert to produce a "religious experience"... some that activate while others turn off.
NOVA | What Darwin Never Knew - aired Dec. 2009
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I don't suffer from insanity... I thoroughly enjoy it
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