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Old Sep 24, 2004, 12:27 am   #1 (permalink) (top)
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How many small fry dictators have we funded and given power to for econimic reasons?

Did we not fund Saddam and provide him with the knowledge of bio-chemical warfare?

Did we not fund and help train Bin laden, and likewise that guy in Panama whom we later had to remove from power?

Do you see a trend in all that?

And oddly it all seems to lead back to the CIA where Bush Sr. was employed (along with other such people).

Bush Sr mention the ideas of the new world order long before Bush Jr spoke about his vision for an democratic world.

So I have a question that has not rested in my mind for years. What if President Reagan had not survied when that guy attempted to kill him? What if the Vice President Bush Sr and his buddy Ollie North suddenly took over following the sudden death of Reagan? Now Ollie had plans already set up for massive concentration camps if they needed to round up all undocumented workers from South America in the event we started wars in that part of the world. I wonder what kind of history we would now be living under if Reagan had been put out of the way and Bush Sr and his CIA network took a more agressive action plan then their hand picked President Reagan was able to talk Congress into supporting?

I know. Just another wild-eyed conspriacy theory that is no doubt just the product of my own mind (that's right, no textbook links for this one), but use a little imagination and specualtion anyway, whatcha think?

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Old Sep 24, 2004, 04:07 am   #2 (permalink) (top)
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Reagan was shot in 1981. http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/2530913.stm Did North already have the camps arranged? I am not so sure. When did he become the aide to the National Security Advisor?

IMO the camps were for US protestors as well as for dissident foreigners. North's camps were in the REX 84 plan. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/fema.html
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The first targets in any FEMA emergency would be Hispanics and Blacks, the FEMA orders call for them to be rounded up and detained. Tax protesters, demonstrators against government military intervention outside U.S. borders, and people who maintain weapons in their homes are also targets. Operation Trojan Horse is a program designed to learn the identity of potential opponents to martial law. The program lures potential protesters into public forums, conducted by a "hero" of the people who advocates survival training. The list of names gathered at such meetings and rallies are computerized and then targeted in case of an emergency.
The secret of the camps leaked out in the Iran-contra hearings of 1987:
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Representative Jack Brooks (Texas) - "Colonel North, in your work at the NSC, were you not assigned at one time to work on plans for the continuity of government in the event of a major disaster?"
Senator Daniel Inouye -"I believe that touches upon highly sensitive and classified area, so may I request that you not touch upon that please."
Representative Jack Brooks (Texas) - "I was particularly concerned because I have read in the Miami papers and several others that there had been a plan developed by that same agency, a contingency plan in the event of an emergency that would suspend the American Constitution."
Senator Daniel Inouye - "May I request that that matter not be touched upon."


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Old Sep 24, 2004, 11:37 am   #3 (permalink) (top)
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Originally posted by PatrickHenry,
Reagan was shot in 1981. http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/2530913.stm Did North already have the camps arranged? I am not so sure. When did he become the aide to the National Security Advisor?

IMO the camps were for US protestors as well as for dissident foreigners. North's camps were in the REX 84 plan. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/fema.html The secret of the camps leaked out in the Iran-contra hearings of 1987:
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Representative Jack Brooks (Texas) - "Colonel North, in your work at the NSC, were you not assigned at one time to work on plans for the continuity of government in the event of a major disaster?"
Senator Daniel Inouye -"I believe that touches upon highly sensitive and classified area, so may I request that you not touch upon that please."
Representative Jack Brooks (Texas) - "I was particularly concerned because I have read in the Miami papers and several others that there had been a plan developed by that same agency, a contingency plan in the event of an emergency that would suspend the American Constitution."

I am not sure of all the dates or even if the Iran Contra scandle was after President Reagan was shot. I do know that when Bush Sr had his one term in office he could not act upon it because too much light had been shed and Ollie was already forced to leave his position. (as I recall from memory).

Perhaps after Reagan had his near death experience he determined he had better go along with the contra opereations "or else". I am not sure.

I was just one of those lingering ideas that I had about that era, because almost no one ever attempts to shoot down a Republican leader (Abe being the exception). They seem to target liberals like Kennedy, Martin King, etc.
And anit-war pro drug Rock singers that sound too liberal or anti-capitalism.
(how Frank Zappa got under the wire is a mystery - guess because he advocated free speech).

So I more or less winged it hoping someone would have some sort of "better researched" information to resolve my lingering suspiciosions.

Readers should note my speculatons involve a trend or pattern, but should not be misstaken as more then theory. I do not recall if anyone interviewed the person who shot Reagan who was said to be "acting alone" (like all them other shooters.... hmmm?... another trend.) Do not know if anyone did a earnest investigation into the shooters background or his reasons for doing that.

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Old Sep 24, 2004, 12:19 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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I do not recall if anyone interviewed the person who shot Reagan who was said to be "acting alone" (like all them other shooters.... hmmm?... another trend.) Do not know if anyone did a earnest investigation into the shooters background or his reasons for doing that.
John Hinckley, Reagan's unskillful killer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hinckley,_Jr.
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Connections Between the Hinckley and Bush Families

His father John Warnock Hinckley was a top (at the legal limit) contributor to the campaigns of the vice president, George H. W. Bush. A few hours before the assassination attempt, Scott Hinckley (brother of the would-be assassin) had been warned by the Department of Energy of an impending fine against his family's oil company, Vanderbuilt Energy, for pricing irregularities. The dinner engagement scheduled between Scott and Neil Bush for next day, was cancelled. [1] (http://www.tarpley.net/bush17.htm) This connection between the families and coincidences like the Secret Service getting lost on the way to the hospital, have been the source of some conspiracy theories about the shooting.
One of which is here: http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/HINCKLEY.html
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[SIZE=3]HINCKLEY: HIT MAN FOR THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT?[/SIZE]

What is more dangerous for the future of our country than a conspiracy to assassinate a president? It is a conspiracy to manipulate and control what the American people are told by the national news media. There are scores of unanswered questions surrounding the event of the afternoon of March 30, 1981. For instance, John Chancellor, eyebrows raised, informed the viewers of NBC Nightly News that the brother of the man who tried to kill the president was acquainted with the son of the man who would have become president if the attack had been successful. As a matter of fact, Chancellor said in a bewildered tone, Scott Hinckley and Neil Bush had been scheduled to have dinner together at the home of the vice president's son the very next night.


And, of course, the engagement had been canceled. . . Then a peculiar thing happened: The story vanished. To this day, it has never been reported in the New York Times, Washington Post or many other metropolitan newspapers, never again mentioned by any of the television news networks, and never noted in news magazines except for a brief mention in Newsweek, which lumped it with two ludicrous conspiracy scenarios as if the Bush-Hinckley connection didn't deserve some sort of explanation.
Read the whole article, Technosoul. Unanswered questions indeed. My theory is something along the lines of the recent movie, The Manchurian Candidate.


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Old Sep 25, 2004, 09:44 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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Wow!

Just what you posted in breif was news to me.

I will have to review the links you listed.

I can imagine some crazy stuff, like they give his dad a big fine and then they say "we can remove that fine if you do us a favor" (was that when the son was on crack or had a drinking problem, as rumored?). In the photo he looked like he had just been on a drug benge - the eyes would suggest that.

Perhaps some of the papers called Bush Jr and could not confirm that sceduled meeting and so they just dropped the story. Papers do that sometimes.

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