Obama Euphoria Ends

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: Angry Citizen It's sickening how you people seek to destroy this man by any means necessary.

I personally am not out to destroy President Barack Obama, because he is currently our only best hope of national survival, but if he fails, then the world situation will deteriorate into mass chaos.

However, it is an Americans' personal duty to insure the state of national security at the local levels, by challenging the status quo when highly unusual circumstances surround an elected officials' political life --- As this surely applies!

I seek a more reality-based perception of this man, because to become president there are many secret negatives that must be hidden from public view.

No one is as perfect and clean in politics, as Obama has been made out to be (Remember: Chicago Democrat - a politician?).

In this debate I have raised many questions:

Eg.: One being the unanswerable question concerning his personal relationship to the Council on Foreign Relations. His wife is on the board of directors, his friends and associates in the White House are members, he takes much of his policy advice from the CFR, BUT NO ONE KNOWS WHY HE HAS NEVER OFFICIALLY JOINED THIS COMMON, WIDESPREAD AND POWERFUL ORGANIZATION!? . . .

This question right here should make the little voice of common-sense inside your head scream out: "Look here stupid, something isn't right, it does not add up, something is highly unusual and unaccountable here --- Hey look deeper here, because there is some important answer attached somewhere!!!".

President Obama distanced his public image away from the CFR just prior to his national election campaign. Plus his wife Michelle's Chicago CFR Chapter also changed its name to the Council on Global Affairs . . . . Perhaps just a coincidence or maybe perhaps a 'co--incidence' (which means: it is related in action) !?

I have also earlier shown that 100+ militant and racial militias are currently forming to threaten the very life of Barack Obama . . . .

And they do in fact wish to destroy him by any means necessary!!!

Let's at the very least take a harder, deeper and more objective look at this highly unusual man, President Barack Obama.

[Robert Marsh II]

I am almost certain that Obama's Afghanistan 'No Exit' strategy will stimulate something and that's for sure, but I seriously doubt that it will replace any of the emotionally charged euphoric steam, back into the 'fan'-based engines of the president.

Where have we seen a fine-print 'No Exit' strategy before?

Oh yeah, Bush/Cheney . . . that's right!

The '8 years of Bush' excuse will only carry out so far.

Obama's Afghan exit plan transitions to 'transition' | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

Obama aides fine-tune meaning of Afghan withdrawal date - CNN.com

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II Angry Citizen; Do you have any links to back your statement up, because I am interested and find it very difficult to locate any verifiable documentation concerning Obama's legal past records. However, I agree that the similarities are very striking, and that is why it is not inconceivable that Obama could perhaps develop an Abraham Lincoln psychological complex. This is not impossible. There is still one separate distinction that only Abraham Lincoln can claim to date, and not any longer if Obama repeats its historical sequence, by conducting his presidency within an American Civil War!

BIG difference between Obama and Lincoln. Lincoln ended slavery. Obama is creating it.

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: Deadeye BIG difference between Obama and Lincoln. Lincoln ended slavery. Obama is creating it.

Only if a sleepy American public allows it to happen, then we would deserve it!

If we fail to demand new jobs and fair healthcare reform. . . etc.

If we just throw our faith at the highest office and expect no personal responsibility to be required of us.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II If we fail to demand new jobs and fair healthcare reform. . . etc.

The federal government is incapable of accomplishing either.

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: Deadeye The federal government is incapable of accomplishing either.

Well then my friend, we are truly doomed!

However, it is always possible to legally protest, petition, march, and write our demands until the government is overwhelmed by force (within the law), which could eventually cause them to capitulate a set of solutions.

This is our hope!

[NoJingoLingo]

Quote by: Angry Citizen Likely wasn't under Reagan or Bush, considering they both predate the popularization of the internet.

In other words you don't know but you'd like to make a claim without knowledge. You must be proud of your debate skills.

[NoJingoLingo]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II I beg to differ with you NoJingoLingo. I in fact am building a case to foreshadow the fall of President Barack Obama from public office and well in advance of the coming event. I choose to ignore your attempts to shine a 'Baby Ruth' bar *(insert analogous equivalent in regard to visual description)*. You can polish it and polish it, but it never will shine!

So still no links to your Cheney admin rants eh?

[NoJingoLingo]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II Whatever became of Obama's ties to the slumlord Rezko? The Rezko Connection: Obama's Achilles Heel? - ABC News Obama About to Be Hit on Questionable Associates - Political Punch What about Obama and his pedifile friend Kevin? 53 House Republicans call on Obama to fire Kevin Jennings | Washington Examiner Obama creating socialist media? The $50 Billion New Socialist Media : Western Journalism.com The $50 Billion New Socialist Media Obama turning West Point into an enemy camp? Matthews Calls West Point the “Enemy Camp” : Western Journalism.com Who does Barack Obama think he is? Lou Dobbs: Who does Barack Obama think he is? : Western Journalism.com Calls for Geithner to resign - Obama's economic failure? Two House Republicans To Treasury's Geithner: Resign - ABC News Geithner Rejects Call to Resign, Faults Republicans (Update3) - Bloomberg.com Chicago chapter of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), had changed their name before Obama's 2008 election campaign -- changed to read Council on Global Affairs. Why does Barack Obama distance himself from this organization, that so many of his friends, associates and cabinet members belong to? First link lists Michelle Obama as member and on the board of directors alphabetically. President Barack Obama is surrounded by CFR members including his own wife. My simple question is what has caused President Obama 'not' to become a member, even though he cannot turn around without seeing a fellow CFR member??? The Chicago Council on Global Affairs Rick Warren, the CFR, and Barack Obama This is Where Michelle Obama is Listed on CFR Board of Directors In Chicago - Liberty Forest Council on Foreign Relations - CFR.org Chicago Council on Global Affairs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ============ Obama News Reel : washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

How about a link to your Cheney admin associations? Surely you did one of those since you are so non-partisan and only want to give us all the facts...

[NoJingoLingo]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II I guess the more it 'changes', the more it actually stays the same, which then it obviously becomes more 'same of the same'. President Barack Obama has chosen to borrow liberally from George W. Bush's wartime playbook! In his West Point speech he basically placed everything under an umbrella of 'In the interest of national security', but what we might want to question, is what exact intel has caused Obama to start using the GWB wartime playbook!?!? * (Note: The following is just an irritating example)! Does their Intel indicate a WMD threat made by Al Qaeda (eg: nuclear suitcase bomb), and perhaps going to be transferred to Hezbollah operatives for U.S. deployment??? Obama's Afghanistan strategy has a familiar look -- latimes.com =============== Care2 C2NN Promo Article: New Afghanistan War Strategy 'Has A Familiar Look' - Obama U... - Care2 News Network

I guess we can assume that since you can't produce any links to your Cheney/Bush rants, you're a liar. You're also obviously deceptive, since you only post right wing articles... put them all together and you look like just another racist. It's the only logical explanation. Unless you'd prefer to admit that you lied and you really are just a partisan hack, out to do any damage you can.

[Angry Citizen]

In other words you don't know but you'd like to make a claim without knowledge. You must be proud of your debate skills.

I manage to avoid the practice of hypocrisy, at least. Ol' George Washington was right - parties are the worst thing that has ever happened to this country. Y'all are both insane.

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: NoJingoLingo So still no links to your Cheney admin rants eh?

I only became active on the Internet in March 2007, and this was due to my own personal choice.

I have been learning everything from scratch ever since, as you might have noticed that I finally learned how to activate the blue quote boxes yesterday.

Also, if I were active and knowledgeable back further, I am not sure if I would actually believe that I could have a positive impact on that regime --- Unknown!

At least there is a possible chance with President Obama and his followers.

This is a debate and I have chosen the opposing negative side --- You should already understand this, because you have more debate skills than I.

Those following this debate are watching you antagonize and attempt to discredit me, but you are only looking foolish to most --- from what I hear through PM's.

Quote by: NoJingoLingo How about a link to your Cheney admin associations? Surely you did one of those since you are so non-partisan and only want to give us all the facts...

I have only recently become politically active, and only ever since I realized that the United States of America is in extreme economic and political peril.

You might have noticed that the Obama/Biden Administration was stalling out, and then public pressure through the press media was brought to bear . . . They have amazingly become quite active since the pressured turn-around . . . And this took many writers and alot of effort!

Quote by: NoJingoLingo I guess we can assume that since you can't produce any links to your Cheney/Bush rants, you're a liar. You're also obviously deceptive, since you only post right wing articles... put them all together and you look like just another racist. It's the only logical explanation. Unless you'd prefer to admit that you lied and you really are just a partisan hack, out to do any damage you can.

Again, your attempts are purely humorous.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II Well then my friend, we are truly doomed! However, it is always possible to legally protest, petition, march, and write our demands until the government is overwhelmed by force (within the law), which could eventually cause them to capitulate a set of solutions. This is our hope!

I agree with your gist here, but what if legal protest, petition, march and written demands do not square the government away? Then what do we do? Should we take up arms? It's been done before, several times.

Now, I totally agree that peaceful solutions of conflict is best. However, Obama and his cronies don't listen to the conservative voice in the US which is larger than the Liberal one.

I believe strongly that the government is incapable of doing anything well. Oh, they struggle along, piling waste upon waste and doing a half assed job....like the Post Office, or the FAA, or the EPA, or Social Security, or Medicare, or the BTAF, and hundreds of other failed government programs.

[Angry Citizen]

Should we take up arms?

Have fun in jail. What Obama is doing is not cause for murder.

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: Deadeye I agree with your gist here, but what if legal protest, petition, march and written demands do not square the government away? Then what do we do? Should we take up arms? It's been done before, several times. Now, I totally agree that peaceful solutions of conflict is best. However, Obama and his cronies don't listen to the conservative voice in the US which is larger than the Liberal one. I believe strongly that the government is incapable of doing anything well. Oh, they struggle along, piling waste upon waste and doing a half assed job....like the Post Office, or the FAA, or the EPA, or Social Security, or Medicare, or the BTAF, and hundreds of other failed government programs.

The current political system as a whole, is dangling over an abysmal precipice of violent true change.

If Obama fails to navigate these turbulent political waters correctly, then I am afraid that we shall witness the fall of the 'house of cards'.

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best!

The United States has just recently entered the most perilous times in American history --- Save for the Civil War.

Currently every American should excercise his or her right to be heard, and make a stand now to add their influence onto these historical events, as they are happening!

My personal experience tells me two things:

#1. Nothing stays the same and lasts forever.

#2. Governments always fail its citizens, when its citizens fail to take action in advance.

* Note: If all else fails and a loaf of U.S. bread begins to cost $2000 a loaf at the grocery store, then it will become self-evident as you, Deadeye, have unfortunately suggested!!!

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Angry Citizen Have fun in jail. What Obama is doing is not cause for murder.

Putting words in my mouth? I would never suggest that we harm the president.

Here's my point; now calm down and actually try to think. First put down the joint.

We have the 2nd Ammendment to protect all of the others. If this, or any administration, takes actions to limit our rights under the Bill or Rights or as outlined in the Constitution then we not only have the right but the responsibility to overthrow that government. We hope we can do this throught the ballet box, but if the government fixes the ballot box as they did with Frankin, for instance; then we have to overthrow the government some other way....it may require force. Jefferson said that we should have a revolution ever few decades. (I think he said 50 years.)

The government needs to understand that they are our government and we are not their people. Obama has no concept that he works for us; he works for the power of his government.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II The current political system as a whole, is dangling over an abysmal precipice of violent true change. If Obama fails to navigate these turbulent political waters correctly, then I am afraid that we shall witness the fall of the 'house of cards'. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best! The United States has just recently entered the most perilous times in American history --- Save for the Civil War. Currently every American should excercise his or her right to be heard, and make a stand now to add their influence onto these historical events, as they are happening! My personal experience tells me two things: #1. Nothing stays the same and lasts forever. #2. Governments always fail its citizens, when its citizens fail to take action in advance. * Note: If all else fails and a loaf of U.S. bread begins to cost $2000 a loaf at the grocery store, then it will become self-evident as you, Deadeye, have unfortunately suggested!!!

I generally concur. The sad thing about this current government is that if they just followed the constitution we'd probably avoid any violence. Obama is now avoiding the public and making plans behind closed doors at midnight with the participantion of only his hand picked, fair haired boys. This is tyranny especially when we consider that Obama's plans are detrimental to our way of live, or econmy and our futures.

[Angry Citizen]

If this, or any administration, takes actions to limit our rights under the Bill or Rights or as outlined in the Constitution then we not only have the right but the responsibility to overthrow that government.

Yes, you do.

Okay then, where were you when President Bush violated the 5th amendment rights of foreign criminals by preventing due process? Where were you when police started violating the 4th amendment rights pertaining to unlawful searches and seizures by arbitrarily stopping vehicles looking for even the slightest probable cause? How about when President Bush violated the 6th amendment rights of foreign criminals by preventing speedy trial by jury? How about when President Bush violated the 8th amendment rights of suspected foreign criminals through waterboarding? How about when Bill Clinton signed the assault rifles ban? Hell, how about the Patriot act with its warrant-less searches?

The Constitution is in tatters due to the actions of both parties. Your sudden willingness to 'take up arms' is highly suspect.

The government needs to understand that they are our government and we are not their people.

Then the Republican party is the last thing you want to support, bub. The Republicans grew government more in the last eight years than Clinton did during his eight, and spent trillions of dollars. If you were serious about 'liberties', you'd support gay marriage as consonant to America's 14th amendment right of equal protection under the law. But no - it's all about getting even with the other party, huh. Your righteous indignation is pure partisanship. Thomas Jefferson would be rolling in his grave to see you invoke his name in support of your personal vendetta.

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: Deadeye I generally concur. The sad thing about this current government is that if they just followed the constitution we'd probably avoid any violence. Obama is now avoiding the public and making plans behind closed doors . . .

I follow your above statement to the point of my edited cut-off, but where (what source) are you getting the rest of your statement from below?

. . . . at midnight with the participation of only his hand picked, fair haired boys. This is tyranny especially when we consider that Obama's plans are detrimental to our way of life, our economy and our futures.

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: Deadeye Now, I totally agree that peaceful solutions of conflict is best.

I totally agree with this course of action!