Obama Euphoria Ends

[Questatement]

More than just the natives are getting restless.

Angry Congress lashes out at Obama

Growing discontent over the economy and frustration with efforts to speed its recovery boiled over Thursday on Capitol Hill in a wave of criticism and outright anger directed at the Obama administration. Episodes in both houses of Congress exposed the raw nerves of lawmakers flooded with stories of unemployment and economic hardship back home.

Joe Wilson Demands Audit of Stimulus Funds

After a week of reports on blatant inconsistencies in stimulus spending, and a hearing in the House Committee on Oversight and Government, this Administration still has not provided adequate answers as to the whereabouts of stimulus funds. In response to this Administration’s insufficient communication on stimulus spending, Congressman Joe Wilson (SC-02) demands an examination of all stimulus dollars appropriated.

[NoJingoLingo]

Quote by: Apeman81 More blather! This is not about what you personally decide to call them, it is about their actual, recognized, legal status. Their legal status was POW. Yet no "declaration of war" (please define this by the way) that you seem to clamor for was made. Perhaps because there is no legal requirement for what you term a declaration of war. From Wikipedia “In the United States, Congress which makes the rules for the military has the power under the Constitution to "declare War," however there is no prescribed legal format for what a War declaration will look like in the US Constitution or by law. Declarations have the force of law and are intended to be executed by a Commander in Chief when called into actual service. The last time United States passed a bill with the title "Declaration of War" was in 1942, against Romania. Since then, the United States has used the term "Authorization to use Military Force” You know, like in S.J. Res 23 Congress authorized the war on terror. According to our constitution and our laws. Seriously, your "arguments" are vapid.

And you don't consider that this is because we have no "prison of conflict" status and congress just decided to use the POW status instead of creating a new status that is exactly the same except for one word? Brilliant!

[Apeman81]

Quote by: NoJingoLingo And you don't consider that this is because we have no "prison of conflict" status and congress just decided to use the POW status instead of creating a new status that is exactly the same except for one word? Brilliant!

Congress does not assign the status of prisoners taken on the battlefield. That is not their purview.

Prisoner of war status is conferred in modern times by the Third Geneva Convention. It was under these auspices that the world recognized American serviceman captured in Vietnam as POWs.

You pose no cogent argument. Do you seek only to obfuscate through fact less contrarianism?

POWs are not tried in civilian courts. Nor should they be.

[NoJingoLingo]

Quote by: Apeman81 Congress does not assign the status of prisoners taken on the battlefield. That is not their purview. Prisoner of war status is conferred in modern times by the Third Geneva Convention. It was under these auspices that the world recognized American serviceman captured in Vietnam as POWs. You pose no cogent argument. Do you seek only to obfuscate through fact less contrarianism? POWs are not tried in civilian courts. Nor should they be.

I'm sure I saw something about Congress having to update the status of MIA or POWs for the purpose of receipt of benefits... can't find it now. Regardless, let's go back to the question.

Were American Soldiers captured on the battlefield in Vietnam not POWS? Show me the declaration war. The depths of BS to which you will stoop is amazing!

There need not be a declaration of war to be called a POW.

A prisoner of war (POW, PoW, PW, P/W, WP, or PsW) or enemy prisoner of war (EPW) is a combatant who is held in continuing custody by an enemy power during or immediately after an armed conflict. The earliest recorded usage of the phrase is dated 1660.
Prisoner of war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Apeman81]

NoJingoLingo;670187] I'm sure I saw something about Congress having to update the status of MIA or POWs for the purpose of receipt of benefits... can't find it now. Regardless, let's go back to the question.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with determining their status as POWs.

There need not be a declaration of war to be called a POW.

Your Post 55 : Considering that no declaration of war was approved by congress, they are not enemy combatants but rather, criminals.

So you rescind this earlier claim?

Since we have established that the 911 attackers and subsequent combatants are enemy combatants, enemy combatants are not tried in civilian courts

[Robert Marsh II]

Republicans have sent a written letter to President Barack Obama, informing him that his time is up on Afghanistan War decision.

Multiple reasons have been rendered for an immediate disclosure of planned troop involvement, and further delays could become critical mistakes concerning the lives of our men and women in uniform.

*The following link contains a copy of this letter :

Republicans tell Obama time to decide on Afghanistan - Political Intelligence - A national political and campaign blog from The Boston Globe - Boston.com

[Robert Marsh II]

Billboards are going up around American cities, that reflect negative dissenting opinion of President Barack Obama's agenda.

One billboard shows Obama connected to Jihadist terrorism, complete with turban.

Another billboard (birther) basically demands Obama to prove his birth certificate qualifications to America.

Obama's job approval rating has dropped below 50 percent for the first time, and that's not a good sign --- Is he heading for 38%???

Obama is also pleading for money to use against Sarah Palin in regard to 2012 election -- mid-term elections are approaching.

Trouble Is Here!!! : >>>>

Gallup Poll: Obama's Job Approval Rating Below 50% - washingtonpost.com

Obama now pleading for money to fight Sarah Palin | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

The Associated Press: Colo. billboard links Obama with jihadists

Is A 'Birther' Billboard Good For Business? - The Two-Way - Breaking News, Analysis Blog : NPR

[Nono]

Quote by: RM Billboards are going up around American cities, that reflect negative dissenting opinion of President Barack Obama's agenda.

You mean that reflect monied interests that are more uhh, comfy with the Republicans in power and are therefore willing to back right-wing nutjobs by paying for billboards. Sheesh.

[Robert Marsh II]

It's rather, how about a candidate whose main concern is 'really' what Obama promised in Campaign 2008, and who would really deliver!!! ---

Or at least a candidate that shows the general public honest attempts (continuously and with true transparency) at procuring tangible 'change'!?!?

How about a real American Democrat or Republican or Independent (male or female!) candidate who would bust a gut to save American jobs and U.S. manufacturing markets!?!?

*(Also: rebuild infrastructure, reform health care, create green alternative energy markets, get us economically free from China . . . . and at least 'really' attempt these.....)!!!!!

How about a candidate that doesn't have to be rich and already paid-off by lobbyists with conflict of interests contrary to that of the United States, and now abroad???

Without hidden agendas!

Sounds like old-fashioned American values, and yeah ---

WHY NOT?

YES, WHY NOT???

From where I am sitting right now --- From what I have been witnessing so far; is Barck Obama was pre-hand-picked and placed in the White House in order to bind the U.S. parties together, then to plug this directly into becoming a Globalization World State (sounds like Bush). . . . . You can guess the rest, but in my opinion their political deceit is failing miserably and with 'no' tangible alliance!!!

I predict further absolute and utter Obama failures from here on out, with only window-dressing and poor lip-service to the American public ----

But that's all we have been getting all along ---- or are you blind!!!

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Obama Editorial Brief : >>>>

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/op...sat1.html?_r=1

[Robert Marsh II]

Here are some comments for review, that have been submitted on my C2NN promotional article regarding this public debate topic.

Interesting!!! : >>>>

"Obama Euphoria Officially Ends" - Public Debate - Hosted By... - Care2 News Network

[Nono]

Quote by: RM It's rather, how about a candidate whose main concern is 'really' what Obama promised in Campaign 2008, and who would really deliver!!!

I certainly agree about that. He should have been about 1000% bolder than he has been.

[Robert Marsh II]

Agreed, because if it were so, and Obama had given 1000%, then this public debate would have never been made to exist!

Thank you Nono for helping me to clarify my intent in this debate.

[dan4reason]

Obama: Job Ratings
This graph shows that the Obama euphoria has ended, but he is not unpopular yet. I do reserve quite a few doubts of Obama's philosophy, politics, and experience, but I also find him very nice and logical. I would still vote for him today, though with a few more reservations.
If the economy continues to go south, then his popularity will dwindle further. If a recovery starts, then he is out of the frying pan.

[Timewalker]

I did not vote for Obama nor McCain.I voted for Cynthia McKinney. We have to stop playing the blame game and demand accountability for where our money is going and audit that damn FED!!!!!!!!!! They are the problem,have been the problem .They along with the Military contractors who make bajillions while we go to war.We have to stop being lefties or righties..This isn't about Ideology in that respect .This is about our constitution and the destruction there of . It is about united we stand divided we fall..it is about propaganda and spindoctors who lead us to believe someone is golden playing on our hopes and our fears, it is about the fact that our presidents Kennedy,Eisenhower, and others warned us about the Banksters and their maniacal ways of greed. We have to stop being divided and unite in a common cause and the Constitution is it. One Nation Indivisible is what we must become or all we will ever have is just promises of change and nothing more.

[dan4reason]

Quote by: Timewalker I did not vote for Obama nor McCain.I voted for Cynthia McKinney. We have to stop playing the blame game and demand accountability for where our money is going and audit that damn FED!!!!!!!!!! They are the problem,have been the problem .They along with the Military contractors who make bajillions while we go to war.We have to stop being lefties or righties..This isn't about Ideology in that respect .This is about our constitution and the destruction there of . It is about united we stand divided we fall..it is about propaganda and spindoctors who lead us to believe someone is golden playing on our hopes and our fears, it is about the fact that our presidents Kennedy,Eisenhower, and others warned us about the Banksters and their maniacal ways of greed. We have to stop being divided and unite in a common cause and the Constitution is it. One Nation Indivisible is what we must become or all we will ever have is just promises of change and nothing more.

Of course everyone thinks that they are right and that everyone else should like up right behind them. I believe that there are some problems with the constitution, but we can amend it.

[Timewalker]

Interesting .What admendments would U like to see?

[Timewalker]

Personally I am not asking anyone to line up behind me
Dan4Reason just to do the research themselves, Once that is done then they of course are free to choose the path that they believe will bring the greater good.

[Robert Marsh II]

Washington Post Poll ~~~

RE: President Barack Obama.

Excerpt : >>>>

This Washington Post-ABC News poll was conducted by telephone Nov. 12-15, 2009, among a random national sample of 1,001 adults including users of both conventional and cellular phones.

The results from the full survey have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points . . .

Washington Post Poll (washingtonpost.com)

[Robert Marsh II]

The one thing we should observe from the story of Noah is, that it can currently relate to President Barack Obama and ourselves! : >>>>

> Lesson Rules 1-11 :

ONE: Don't miss the boat.

TWO: Remember that we are all in the same boat!

THREE: Plan ahead. It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark.

FOUR: Stay fit. When you're 60 years old, someone may ask you to do something really big.

FIVE: Don't listen to critics; just get on with the job that needs to be done.

SIX: Build your future on high ground.

SEVEN: For safety's sake, travel in pairs.

EIGHT: Speed isn't always an advantage. The snails were on board with the cheetahs.

NINE: When you're stressed, float awhile.

TEN: Remember, the Ark was built by amateurs; the Titanic by professionals.

ELEVEN: No matter the storm, when you are with God, there's always a rainbow waiting.

Obama Needs China to Help Him Run Great Green Race: Eric Pooley - Bloomberg.com

[dan4reason]

Quote by: Timewalker Personally I am not asking anyone to line up behind me Dan4Reason just to do the research themselves, Once that is done then they of course are free to choose the path that they believe will bring the greater good.

I would eliminate the electoral college. I would make a provision allowing gun control in the constitution. These are examples. I am all in favor of people doing research, objective logical research. That means that people look at all sides. Have you done this?