Obama Euphoria Ends

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: dan4reason Obama has said some stuff that he hasn't done. Granted. However, he has walked the talk more than the other presidents recently. And this is one of the reasons Republicans are so mad at him. You need at least a little evidence to claim something about Obama's ideas to deserve any attention.

Give me enough time and I may be the one to prove or disprove this whole mystery that is seemingly surrounding Mr. Barack Obama. It is only a 'near' impossible task to investigate his past, but I do admit that it would be due to the officials in Washington D.C. who will endlessly pry open and dig up any dirt on this man.

Quote by: dan4reason Wow. You are good at putting everything in the worst light possible. Obama's success depends on his economic strategies working. If they don't, people will be mad. Economic recovery doesn't necessarily depend on hyperinflation. Economists predict that the economy will recover in 2010 at a slow rate. I am fine with Obama revealing some of his records. From my knowledge presidents do not have to reveal their records unless they are being tried for a crime or being impeached. Why do you think Obama is so bad? You need some evidence. I don't think he is absolutely perfect, however, he seems like a very good person. If someone just suspects me of a crime, I do not have to reveal my records to the nation. If this person had evidence of wrongdoing, and I am being brought to trial, then I am required to reveal my personal records.

Obama has sealed his records, transcripts and other documentation, which makes him appear to be guilty.

You should be working very hard to produce an actual documented 'FORM', which proves that Obama has accomplished anything that is being said about him.

Help each other out on this task, because I doubt it is even remotely possible to find such documentation.

It has been mentioned about Obama's wonderful education, but no one on Volconvo has ever seen this type of 'form' evidence, or how about the reason for Obama making his records/transcripts private ---

When Obama promised 'transparency'?

What does Obama intend to hide that he doesn't wish the Republicans or us to find out???

If not a documented form, then why not an official explanation regarding this mystery?

You say that Obama should 'not' have to release his documentation unless he is suspected of a crime, but I would find it difficult to believe that those in Washington D. C. will fail to call him before congressional hearings, in the very near future on the mounting circumstantial evidence. (As is being listed on this post entry).

His failure to reply will doom his presidency in the eyes of a majority of the American public!

Obama is crippling his own chances of success with the American public or with the Republican Party by obfuscating his so-called 'transparency' non-execution.

I suppose it is 'not' important to some individuals to know :

#1. The actual and absolute true identity with past detailed information, regarding a man (public servant) who holds the highest 'public' office in the United States of America.

#2. And the reason for his refusing (so far) to release these said details and/or rational explanations.

*(Note: My feelings cannot be hurt, as long as I am searching for truth in a diligent manner).

When I read this entire debate, I discover the odds are about even to Pro v/s Anti Obama comments, and this is what I am attempting to show you!

Obama's political steam is running out just like these debate entries reflect, and he is loosing ground rapidly.

His liberal base is realizing that something is wrong with their political choice and Campaign 2008 election guilt has finally begun to surface.

Which now a large percentage of voters have become aware that the only reason they voted him into office was to stop McCain/Republicans, and that is not a good enough reason for risking the endangerment of the U.S. Government and its Constitution.

True American patriots are learning to live with this type of shame right now across America today!

Some might say: 'But there was NO other choice' and that 'was' true then (2008), but what about the 2010-2012 election ---

Still No decent choice!?

Until the American people legally rise and unite and demand decent candidates to be selected, then there will be nothing more than what we have seen to date in modern times---

This repeating rotten crap-shoot of No Choice elections!!!

And what could Obama really do in his time left in office, 'if' he were intending to 'change' America into something else not accepted as appropriate by the American people???

Good Question!!!

Quote by: dan4reason I don't remember. I just saw it on msn. You people ask for Obama's birth records. You receive them. Now you call them fake. What will convince you? Do you need a time machine to go back to when Obama was born for me to prove that he was born in the US? On what basis do you argue that Obama is a foreigner? Is it the fact that he is black?

Some people are racist and would react negatively no matter what, and these same supremacist groups are attempting to remove Obama from office by brute force.

A larger group is expanding daily and many are his original liberal base, that are now swinging around against him.

My personal reason for this debate is being voiced clear across this debate entry --- If you will only entertain the counter-perception to your way of thinking.

I am constantly applying the possible fact to myself, that 'if' Obama is completely all that some say he is, but so far this type of blind faith is being rejected by my mind, due to the endangerment by the unknown factors concerning 'Obama the Obfuscator'! . . .

Because 'if' I am wrong and he is a danger to the U.S. Constituition and U.S. Government, then prudence stands on my side to act with extreme caution!

Just a little public recognition would be refreshing from Obama, that he is causing a growing and explosive public situation to fester right under his own nose, and I believe full-knowing but not counter-acting upon it.

Nothing but White House vacuum is coming out in regard to these extremely important matters.

Important to the many modern-day American Patriots!

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: dan4reason Obama though that he was bringing hope too. Some people used their feelings too much in voting for him, however others were more rational.

From what I witnessed during Campaign 2008, there was a mass euphoric frenzy of non-rational political support.

People lighting candles and singing Obama ballads in the street.

These were a large number of individuals whom Obama was completely aware of (unless he is mentally challenged?) and did nothing to guide this moving force toward a reality-based judgement . . .

Just to obtain his presidential White House victory!!!

Does not look good from here!

[Robert Marsh II]

Post Entry #261 Continued:

In response to dan4reason and under the basis of post entry #261 this debate, I formally must enter by example into the record the following statement, and it continues to read:

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As an American citizen of the United States of America and being governed by its sovereignty and laws within its national jurisdiction, I wish to exercise my legal right to dissent lawfully.

Therefore under the legal entitlements, regulations and rights thereby guaranteed and granted to me (thus far) by the United States Constitution, I hereby humbly request and demand:

#1. A call to the American public to begin lawfully petitioning the United States Government to initiate, conduct and execute U.S. Congressional hearings, in regard to President Barack Obama's past actions, records and deeds.

On the basis of mounting circumstantial evidence and excessive unknown factors for the possible growing risk of endangerment directly to the U.S. Constitution.

Without these investigation hearings to challenge President Barack Obama's past actions and information details, we cannot possibly guarantee the continued safety and sovereignty of the United States Constitution and adjoining government.

#2. I personally, acting under the preceeding argument and post entry #261 humbly request and demand that these aforementioned U.S.Congressional hearings be initiated immediately.

These hearings should be conducted and expedited to insure the national security protection for the United States of America!

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dan4reason; The above example is exactly what it would look like.

[Angry Citizen]

On the basis of mounting circumstantial evidence and excessive unknown factors for the possible growing risk of endangerment directly to the U.S. Constitution.

Mounting circumstantial evidence? Only to ridiculous Birthers. Get a life, and while you're there, a clue would be nice too.

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: Angry Citizen Mounting circumstantial evidence? Only to ridiculous Birthers. Get a life, and while you're there, a clue would be nice too.

I see you are willing to take the risks listed in post entries #261 and #263.

Very Interesting!

[NoJingoLingo]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II Under the existing premise of this debate, I have just given another prime example of Obama disregarding a specific promise toward Endangered Species . . . And I believe he knew in advance that he would not be able to cover all his bases . . . Therefore he lied in order to enter the United States Presidency! All politicians engage this tactic, but does that make it right? Only the rich and influential (pre-corrupt) candidates have any chance to become the President of the United States . . . Any questions??? Therefore Obama was most likely pre-corrupt in Chicago Democratic politics before his election. However, I admit that I would stop 'bashing the opposition' if he would at least portray an 'honest Abe Lincoln' atmosphere by his current and forward actions . . . Rather than his giving off an unconcerned Chicago syndicate- politician attitude. At this moment however, Obama is going down like a 'big dog', and doesn't seem to need any opposing 'help'! *Personal Observation & Not An Endorsement : Sarah Palin in my opinion could best save her money and let Obama fall on his own. ========= NoJingoLingo; I wonder if you are taking an active part physically and mentally to help save the presidents' incoming demise, and can you prove it -- If yes???

All you have to do is find the quote where Obama said that he would accomplish all his goals in his first year in office, then you'll have me beat and I will surrender. I can wait while you search.

[NoJingoLingo]

Quote by: Deadeye Thousands and thousands of their voters have been thrown out, becuase they were illegally enrolled, or were dead. Coleman's case was judged by liberals. The Bush people did not, not count votes in Florida. They had recount after recount and each and every time they did Bush ended up with even more votes than before. What the Democrats (spit to one side) did was to try to change the rules after the voting was over. But Liberals and Democrats always cheat. Just look at how they are passing cap and trade and this medical system BS.

ACORN only registers people, if the person they register shows up and provides proof that they are that person, then the poll worker (NOT ACORN) allows them to vote. If a dead person voted, it's not ACORN that allowed them to vote. I really can't figure out why this concept is so unattainable to you.

As for the rest of your post, you are simply ignorant (willfully or not) of the facts.

[NoJingoLingo]

Quote by: Deadeye Sarah Palin has a chance of winning the presidency, albeit a slight one, and she is a pure as the driven snow, and nor is she rich. George Bush, didn't have a crooked bone in his body. He had a conscience you see. Obama too? I doubt it.

No, it's not possible to be that dumb. You really ARE a Colbert and shall be treated as nothing more.

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: NoJingoLingo All you have to do is find the quote where Obama said that he would accomplish all his goals in his first year in office, then you'll have me beat and I will surrender. I can wait while you search.

My main objective is not to beat you NoJingoLingo, and this debate has since moved forward toward a more serious focus.

It is not a question of whether Obama has ever promised to keep all of his Campaign 2008 promises in the first year in office or not, but rather whether Obama should be in the highest office at all.

In regard to posted entries #261 and #263 in this debate, it has now been called into question whether Obama should even be allowed to continue any further as president, without U.S. Congressional hearings being immediately initiated!

The question is 'not' if I have enough time, or if you have enough time, but rather it is whether Obama will have enough time in office or not.

Unless you prefer to view national security matters as being non-important like Angry Citizen obviously does?

[Trojan_Ripper]

Cool! The waters are starting to churn, desperate for air will cause that.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: NoJingoLingo No, it's not possible to be that dumb. You really ARE a Colbert and shall be treated as nothing more.

No substance, just name calling. It's so commonplace on this site, and it something that conservatives run into all of the time when actually trying to have constructive conversation with a liberal.

Millions of people adore Sarah Palin. I happend to be one of them. You don't like her. Why is that? Have you read her book?

I like her because she is a straight forward conservative mother and wife. Her values are conservative values and so are mine. So she and I are soul mates.

Try to say something meaningful, will you please.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Trojan_Ripper Cool! The waters are starting to churn, desperate for air will cause that.

Another wizard.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: NoJingoLingo ACORN only registers people, if the person they register shows up and provides proof that they are that person, then the poll worker (NOT ACORN) allows them to vote. If a dead person voted, it's not ACORN that allowed them to vote. I really can't figure out why this concept is so unattainable to you. As for the rest of your post, you are simply ignorant (willfully or not) of the facts.

ACORN has been proven to be a fraud. They are working on changing their name as we write. Say, how many Repubs do they register? How about NONE.

[Angry Citizen]

I like her because she is a straight forward conservative mother and wife. Her values are conservative values and so are mine. So she and I are soul mates.

I dislike her because she is a fraudulent fool with repugnant values. She and I are antitheses.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Angry Citizen I dislike her because she is a fraudulent fool with repugnant values. She and I are antitheses.

What a wicked thing to say about such a dedicated and loving person!
God, it must be terrible to be a liberal and so steeped in hatred. How can you sleep at night?

Sarah Palin is an honest public servant, a wonderful mother and a loyal wife. She is therefore, a salt of the Earth person.

Remember then people were saying that Hillary reminded men of their first wife? Well, Sarah reminds men of the women they wished they could have married.

So what does Sarah believe in that you do not? I am reading her book now and I'm enjoyed it. She has led quite a life.

But again, what does Palin believe in that you do not to the point that you have to despise her?

Now try to act like a mature adult. I know it's difficult for you.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: NoJingoLingo No, it's not possible to be that dumb. You really ARE a Colbert and shall be treated as nothing more.

And yet another wizard! Can you actually write something without the innuendo? I'll betcha can't. Just try to exchanged ideas and concept for a change. You may find it enlightening. I know it'll be hard for you, but give it a shot.

All of the libs here, except maybe for Jack are so puffed up with hatred that it gets in the way of debating. GET OVER IT and try to say something meaningful.

[Robert Marsh II]

Here is a real 'tedious' situation:

Forget about Obama's birth certificate for a moment, and ask yourselves about his records, transcripts and all other documentation regarding himself.

Without the public having access to these said documents, then there is no conceivable way for us currently to prove who Obama really was or who he is!

You can bring to this comment-line book references, Chicago Tribune or mainstream news articles, WhiteHouse.gov (prepared by Obama himself) factoid sheets, . . .

BUT YOU CAN'T PROVE WHO HE IS!

Without documented forms, transcripts, records, forms, data sheets or even laundry receipts accessible to the general public or other governmental agencies . . .

EVEN THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT KNOW, NOR CAN THEY PROVE WHO HE REALLY IS, WITHOUT THIS SAID ACCESS!

If we cannot prove his past (currently) or by locating these said documents from the past (if there really ever were any?), then how do we know Obama's true political intent???

There are some who still are throwing their faith at his feet, but are now voicing disgust in his first year in office without stimulating the job market immediately!

It takes in their opinion ( and I share this feeling) a real out-of-touch and unconcerned individual to ignore for 12 months the increasing unemployment lines!

You may say that 'Well he has just started the job summit' . . . yeah, that really was helping those losing everything for that first year.

You may say 'It's not his fault, because the Republicons'. . . yeah, then he is actually ineffectual as a president.

Is this what we have to look forward to for three more years, or are you just hoping that he accidentally gets something right?

In the meantime we have no proof of what his political agenda truly is, only lame faith is guiding a blind way!

President Barack Obama has failed miserably in expressing his true intentions currently to the American public, or why he has locked-out every government official and private citizen from gaining access and reading his 'past' documentation!!!

WHAT DOES OBAMA FEAR, THAT HIS MOVES CLEARLY INDICATE INTENT TO HIDE --- EVADE --- AND OBFUSCATE THE TRUTH CONCERNING HIS ENTIRE PAST???

[NoJingoLingo]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II My main objective is not to beat you NoJingoLingo, and this debate has since moved forward toward a more serious focus.

Oh, then what is your main objective?

It is not a question of whether Obama has ever promised to keep all of his Campaign 2008 promises in the first year in office or not, but rather whether Obama should be in the highest office at all.

Well I guess we know your main objective now don't we? Which proves you are also a liar since this is not the stated purpose you related some posts back.

In regard to posted entries #261 and #263 in this debate, it has now been called into question whether Obama should even be allowed to continue any further as president, without U.S. Congressional hearings being immediately initiated!

LOL, what a maroon.

The question is 'not' if I have enough time, or if you have enough time, but rather it is whether Obama will have enough time in office or not. Unless you prefer to view national security matters as being non-important like Angry Citizen obviously does?

You haven't raised any real concerns, you've simply speculated on a wide variety of things and ignore when you are shown to be wrong. But I'm glad you have exposed yourself as nothing more than another racist teabagger.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II Here is a real 'tedious' situation: Forget about Obama's birth certificate for a moment, and ask yourselves about his records, transcripts and all other documentation regarding himself. Without the public having access to these said documents, then there is no conceivable way for us currently to prove who Obama really was or who he is! You can bring to this comment-line book references, Chicago Tribune or mainstream news articles, WhiteHouse.gov (prepared by Obama himself) factoid sheets, . . . BUT YOU CAN'T PROVE WHO HE IS! Without documented forms, transcripts, records, forms, data sheets or even laundry receipts accessible to the general public or other governmental agencies . . . EVEN THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT KNOW, NOR CAN THEY PROVE WHO HE REALLY IS, WITHOUT THIS SAID ACCESS! If we cannot prove his past (currently) or by locating these said documents from the past (if there really ever were any?), then how do we know Obama's true political intent??? There are some who still are throwing their faith at his feet, but are now voicing disgust in his first year in office without stimulating the job market immediately! It takes in their opinion ( and I share this feeling) a real out-of-touch and unconcerned individual to ignore for 12 months the increasing unemployment lines! You may say that 'Well he has just started the job summit' . . . yeah, that really was helping those losing everything for that first year. You may say 'It's not his fault, because the Republicons'. . . yeah, then he is actually ineffectual as a president. Is this what we have to look forward to for three more years, or are you just hoping that he accidentally gets something right? In the meantime we have no proof of what his political agenda truly is, only lame faith is guiding a blind way! President Barack Obama has failed miserably in expressing his true intentions currently to the American public, or why he has locked-out every government official and private citizen from gaining access and reading his 'past' documentation!!! WHAT DOES OBAMA FEAR, THAT HIS MOVES CLEARLY INDICATE INTENT TO HIDE --- EVADE --- AND OBFUSCATE THE TRUTH CONCERNING HIS ENTIRE PAST???

Right! People went over Bush's school transcripts with a fine toothed comb, but we haven't even seen Obama's. What were his grades anyway? Did he really graduate? Or did he just get passed along for "Equal opportunity" reasons? We just don't know. If he did graduate in the normal way then why are his transcripts secret? Why is that anyway?

I'll tell you what. I think that if we laid the man down and unscrewed his head we'd find a machine inside, run by the old Soviet Secret Police.

[Angry Citizen]

What a wicked thing to say about such a dedicated and loving person! God, it must be terrible to be a liberal and so steeped in hatred. How can you sleep at night?

It must be terrible to be a conservative and so steeped in blind adoration and ignorance. Sarah Palin is a dedicated liar, cheat and overall villain. Her image is just that - an image, designed to appeal to your kind of braindead rah-rah-my-party-can-do-no-wrong partisanship.

Sarah Palin is an honest public servant, a wonderful mother and a loyal wife. She is therefore, a salt of the Earth person.

Sarah Palin is the epitome of dishonesty, a scumbag who abandons her job and inflicts her terrible morality on America. Obama is a wonderful father and a loyal husband, by all accounts. That neither qualifies him nor disqualifies him as a good human being.

Some might suggest she gave birth to her brainless son for no other reason than to advance her political agenda. If she were as poor as me, I have a healthy suspicion she would've gotten that abortion.

Remember then people were saying that Hillary reminded men of their first wife? Well, Sarah reminds men of the women they wished they could have married.

I wouldn't stick my dick in that woman if hers was the last hole on Earth. I'd be too afraid of fathering an equally brain-dead child. She can remind you of the women you wish you'd married; but instead of ogling idiot politicians, I'd prefer to be happy with what I had. Some 'conservative values' you express.

So what does Sarah believe in that you do not? I am reading her book now and I'm enjoyed it. She has led quite a life.

I could go on and on. Be sure to wipe your drool off the pages before it sinks through.

But again, what does Palin believe in that you do not to the point that you have to despise her?

It's more what I believe in that she doesn't. She believes in ignorance, in stupidity, in sheer dimwittedness. She is nothing but a ridiculous, overbearing, pompous hillbilly with the IQ of a rattle. "I can see Russia from my house.."? That wasn't some edit-job by a 'liberal' news source. That was her dumb ass saying dumb ass things.

That woman single-handedly convinced me to abandon the party that thrives off the uneducated block of society. That is how much I revile her.

Now try to act like a mature adult. I know it's difficult for you.

I do try. However, if I need lessons, I'm afraid I'll refrain from asking a hypocritical, abhorrent, immoral knuckle-dragger such as yourself.