Obama Euphoria Ends

[grandpa]

Quote by: Deadeye Bush was infinitely better than is Obama. Bush appreciated why the US is a great country.

He had a funny way of doing so.

Grandpa h.

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: grandpa He had a funny way of doing so. Grandpa h.

This seems factual, however it is interesting to note that every American president (so far) receives his (or her - future anticipation added) 'special' classified presidential briefing after their Inauguration.

Each president in my lifetime has drastically changed directly after this briefing!

Their hair begins to turn rapidly white.

They start exhibiting all manner of strange and new behavioral pattern shifts . . . most are extremely unexpected!

And they are NEVER the same again!!!

* Note: Wouldn't you like to know what they've all been told???

[dan4reason]

Quote by: Deadeye To my way of thinking Obama is a tyrant.

Tyrants have absolute power. Obama does not have absolute power. Therefore Obama is not a tyrant.

He listens only to his political allies.

How do you know that? He may only agree with his political allies, but that does not mean that he doesn't listen to his opponents. A president must know what his opponents are saying in order to refute then effectively. From his refutations of his opponents, he seems to be paying attention to what is going on.

He does not consider things that he does not like.

How do you know that? Obama doesn't like to be in a war in Afghanistan, however he thinks he has to increase the number of US troops in that nation.

He makes decisions behind closed doors.

Bush and Clinton may have also done the same thing. If you are right, then why have I watched tapes of Obama with his couselors?

He is extremely divisive.

Obama tries to get people to agree with him. However, many conservatives and moderates don't. That does not make him bad or tyrannical. It means he fight for what he believes.

He is not my president because he does not want to be my president.

He is your president whether you accept him of not, and he wants to be everyone's presidents. You and I may not agree with everything he does, but he is still our president.

[dan4reason]

Quote by: grandpa To the extent that a liar, thief and murderer can be honest, yes. I know what comes next: But Obama isn't any of those things! Yes, he is. He's scarcely any better than Bush. Grandpa h.

Can you prove that Obama is dishonest? One needs proof in order to accuse another of dishonesty.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II Has anyone heard the story about the used car dealer who became a politician, and then being overtaken by power, greed and wealth was quickly transformed into the tyrant? I am sure he had the best of original intentions!?

But could he sell cars?

[dan4reason]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II I will grant that you seem to be correct in regard to your aforementioned list, concerning Obama's moves on these positions, but how he 'completes' each aspect by the 'end of the day' has yet to be seen. In reality we have no idea where these 'moves' will ultimately lead the United States or the world for that matter!

These are the things that Obama says he will do. However, his power is limited, so if Congress disagrees with him, he cannot get what he wants done. This is not his fault.

We can speculate that he could continue to outmaneuver the Republicans' political blockades. We can further speculate that he will navigate successfully to a final conclusion on each of these issues, however unlikely that may sound to some. We can also speculate the antithesis of these suppositions, and suspect much of his moves are window-dressing with added smoke-screens.

He has been able to get through the Republicans because there is a democratic majority, and he has been persistent in his efforts, and he has done quite a bit of negotiation.

Of course this would lead us into any number of possible hidden agenda conspiracy theories.

What conspiracy theories?

So your actual statement should read, that 'you think' Obama is honest -- so far.

Well, you could say that about everyone. Every person is honest "so far." Maybe, he will turn up to be dishonest. Who knows? However, I see no evidence to support this.

[grandpa]

Quote by: dan4reason Can you prove that Obama is dishonest? One needs proof in order to accuse another of dishonesty.

How about that he's a man of peace?

Grandpa h.

[dan4reason]

Quote by: grandpa How about that he's a man of peace? Grandpa h.

Obama likes peace, and he follows the philosophy of peace, however he has said that sometimes war is necessary and I agree with him. Throughout his campaign, Obama promised to focus on Afghanistan, and this is exactly what he is doing. I do not see why so many people are surprised.

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: Deadeye But could he sell cars?

At first I thought the answer would be yes, he would make an excellent used car salesman, but then I realized it was actually NO, because he would be too busy making sure he looked good, as he endlessly stared into a shiny hubcap somewhere on the back-lot!

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: dan4reason These are the things that Obama says he will do. However, his power is limited, so if Congress disagrees with him, he cannot get what he wants done. This is not his fault.

So does this mean that Obama could have premeditated a false-front run for the presidency, knowing in advance that his odds were significantly stacked against him in congress? . . .

RE: The Republican blockades and gridlock schemes that were reported in the news, and designed to stop/slow Obama down.

And that this is just a shallow political move, just another feather in his cap, I mean, just to look good politically!?

Or is he really a legend in his own mind and believes himself to be Abraham Lincoln reincarnate?

He definitely believes something unusual, and has the natural ability to hypnotize the general public into believing just about anything . . .

Well until lately, then people started to ignore him like yesterday's old news.

Or perhaps it was just public desperation that won him his Campaign 2008 election victory!?

Quote by: dan4reason He has been able to get through the Republicans because there is a democratic majority, and he has been persistent in his efforts, and he has done quite a bit of negotiation.

Tis true, but now he is running out of political steam, and except for an occasional puff here and there, he might just be realizing that he is 'actually' being finished-off.

I still hear a glimmer of force within his current oratory voice . . .

However his presidency may now become little more than a talk-show rerun, with Oprah Winfrey probably becoming the official White House host.

Quote by: dan4reason What conspiracy theories?

How about the one of many, which depicts him as 'Obama the Usurper Communist', which is preparing an internal fifth column uprising from within the White House itself, and is yet somehow connected to Radical Islam?

You would be surprised at how many possible conspiracy theories exist concerning Barack Obama and are running rampant across the country.

If nothing else, it shows Obama has not communicated properly, or else these growing groups would not be flourishing unabated.

In other words: Obama has and is mismanaging his presidency by ignoring public requests for his 'personal transparency'!

He has made moves that have made him appear to be guilty of something, or at least hiding something in his past.

He has sealed personal records, transcripts and other documentation --- does this equate to transparency --- No, it equates to deception and possible guilt!

Without these sealed personal documents being released with a full explanation publicly, then the conspiracy theories can NEVER be dispelled!!! . . .

And he is very much aware of all of the public controversy that is building-up against him!!!

WHY CONCEAL? --- WHY NOT REVEAL?

Quote by: dan4reason Well, you could say that about everyone. Every person is honest "so far." Maybe, he will turn up to be dishonest. Who knows? However, I see no evidence to support this.

I agree in reference to everyone generally speaking, but in this case you should really read again my previous 6 sentences!

Sarah Palin Joins Andy Martin In Obama Birth Certificate Quest - pr-inside.com

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: dan4reason Obama likes peace, and he follows the philosophy of peace, however he has said that sometimes war is necessary and I agree with him. Throughout his campaign, Obama promised to focus on Afghanistan, and this is exactly what he is doing. I do not see why so many people are surprised.

It was directly due to 'blind faith' and 'blind hope'.

Many Americans believed in Obama so much and being mesmerized by his oratory capability, they began to psychologically impose their own hopes and dreams of "Yes We Can" onto his image . . .

But this is known as false reality, which is an illness!

And he would have been aware that this misconception was in progress, but did nothing to alter its course.

[dan4reason]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II So does this mean that Obama could have premeditated a false-front run for the presidency, knowing in advance that his odds were significantly stacked against him in congress? . . . RE: The Republican blockades and gridlock schemes that were reported in the news, and designed to stop/slow Obama down. And that this is just a shallow political move, just another feather in his cap, I mean, just to look good politically!? Or is he really a legend in his own mind and believes himself to be Abraham Lincoln reincarnate? He definitely believes something unusual, and has the natural ability to hypnotize the general public into believing just about anything . . . Well until lately, then people started to ignore him like yesterday's old news. Or perhaps it was just public desperation that won him his Campaign 2008 election victory!?

Every president tells the populace what he intends to do, and Obama is no exception. There is not a 100% chance that Obama can get all he wants to do done, and there is not a 0% chance of this. You choose a president by what he wants to get done, not what he can get done. Just because a president cannot do anything does not mean he is all talk.

How do you know that Obama thinks he is all those great thinks you listed? I need evidence.

Tis true, but now he is running out of political steam, and except for an occasional puff here and there, he might just be realizing that he is 'actually' being finished-off. I still hear a glimmer of force within his current oratory voice . . . However his presidency may now become little more than a talk-show rerun, with Oprah Winfrey probably becoming the official White House host.

Obama is losing political steam, and because of this, he has to get the healthcare bill though congress as soon as possible. The 2010 elections will probably hurt him even more because people will be voting for Republicans more than they did. The democrats will probably lose their supermajority. However, if the economy starts to recover, Obama has some hope.

How about the one of many, which depicts him as 'Obama the Usurper Communist', which is preparing an internal fifth column uprising from within the White House itself, and is yet somehow connected to Radical Islam? You would be surprised at how many possible conspiracy theories exist concerning Barack Obama and are running rampant across the country. If nothing else, it shows Obama has not communicated properly, or else these growing groups would not be flourishing unabated. In other words: Obama has and is mismanaging his presidency by ignoring public requests for his 'personal transparency'! He has made moves that have made him appear to be guilty of something, or at least hiding something in his past. He has sealed personal records, transcripts and other documentation --- does this equate to transparency --- No, it equates to deception and possible guilt! Without these sealed personal documents being released with a full explanation publicly, then the conspiracy theories can NEVER be dispelled!!! . . . And he is very much aware of all of the public controversy that is building-up against him!!! WHY CONCEAL? --- WHY NOT REVEAL?

I am sure that Obama may not have had a perfect past, but that does not mean that he is secretly a horrible communist muslim person. Obama probably fears that the Republicans will take the mistakes he has made and twist them. If the Republicans say that the healthcare bill will put old people to death, then who knows what they'll do? I would keep my personal records secret too in his place. Anyway, can you prove that Obama is keeping his personal records secret, and if so, can you show that it is wrong to keep personal records private?

Some think that Obama is a muslim, atheist, anti-white radical, communist, foreigner, or the anti-Christ. I think they make all these baseless claims because they have no real claims to make against them. Obama is just too perfect.

Nether I nor Obama are required to show the whole nations our personal record because of silly conspiracy theories. This is just plain silly.

I agree in reference to everyone generally speaking, but in this case you should really read again my previous 6 sentences! Sarah Palin Joins Andy Martin In Obama Birth Certificate Quest - pr-inside.com

Actually, Obama's birth certificate was released, I saw it on msn. He was indeed born in the US. The chance that he was born in Kenya is the chance that you were born in Japan.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: grandpa How about that he's a man of peace? Grandpa h.

How about Obama is a man who wants to turn tail and surrender?

[dan4reason]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II It was directly due to 'blind faith' and 'blind hope'. Many Americans believed in Obama so much and being mesmerized by his oratory capability, they began to psychologically impose their own hopes and dreams of "Yes We Can" onto his image . . . But this is known as false reality, which is an illness! And he would have been aware that this misconception was in progress, but did nothing to alter its course.

Obama though that he was bringing hope too. Some people used their feelings too much in voting for him, however others were more rational.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: grandpa He had a funny way of doing so. Grandpa h.

Come-on thar Gramps. You've got to be more specific than that. I think that Bush not only loves the US, but appreciates its greatness as well. So do I.

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: dan4reason Every president tells the populace what he intends to do, and Obama is no exception. There is not a 100% chance that Obama can get all he wants to do done, and there is not a 0% chance of this. You choose a president by what he wants to get done, not what he can get done. Just because a president cannot do anything does not mean he is all talk.

So the entire American political system is based upon projected dreams and ethereal semblances, with its presidential leader becoming a deceptive accomplice . . . And then that same president goes on to lead his nation continuing forward with only half-truths . . . This is a pitiful revelation --- And why would I suspect subterfuge!?

Or does he magically go straight and honest at the Inauguration ceremony?

Obama may not be 'all' talk, but I suspect 'some' is just talk . . . And the American/World people have no way to discern which is which, until of course they are sifting through the ashes of ramification aftermath!

Quote by: dan4reason How do you know that Obama thinks he is all those great thinks you listed? I need evidence.

* I think I may understand what you mean here :

I do not live with Obama or his family members, and neither do you albeit, so there is no possible way to absolutely know!!! . . .

Unless you are one to trust the press-media fully, which is insane.

At least I am viewing all the evidence that is becoming available, with an open-mind and a 'grain of salt'.

Quote by: dan4reason Obama is losing political steam, and because of this, he has to get the healthcare bill though congress as soon as possible. The 2010 elections will probably hurt him even more because people will be voting for Republicans more than they did. The democrats will probably lose their supermajority. However, if the economy starts to recover, Obama has some hope.

Then Obama's success story relies totally upon his successful manipulation of TARP stimulus funds to prop-up the jobless numbers, which is attached to a faulty and fraudulent debenture and derivatives contract market . . . This spells massive hyperinflation my friend.

But still there is an extremely slight chance of success, but this is linked to mere chance-luck and 'not' Obama's skills.

Your reference to 'if' carries paramount importance to this entire debate, and to whether we will be eating anything in 2011!

Quote by: dan4reason I am sure that Obama may not have had a perfect past, but that does not mean that he is secretly a horrible communist muslim person. Obama probably fears that the Republicans will take the mistakes he has made and twist them. If the Republicans say that the healthcare bill will put old people to death, then who knows what they'll do? I would keep my personal records secret too in his place. Anyway, can you prove that Obama is keeping his personal records secret, and if so, can you show that it is wrong to keep personal records private?

Obama's made his records private (concealed them), and if it is as you say. then it must be some whopper of a lure for the Republicans to go after it with drooling relish, whatever it may possibly be . . .

So as American citizens we can expect no accountability from our president (public servant) or government in general?

In the case of national security issues I can understand this, but even if I were president I would know to render a public explanation.

All we receive is an eerie vacuum from the White House --- Spooky.

As an American citizen I demand disclosure, transparency and truth from this public servant.

The one absolute reason for this is, to keep those who wish to do harm to the United States outside the capability-range of endangering the U.S. Constitution, and becoming a foreign threat from within the internal workings of our government.

*(Note: The reader must speculate along with the writer on this point)!

Quote by: dan4reason Public servant means accountability and transparency to the public! Some think that Obama is a muslim, atheist, anti-white radical, communist, foreigner, or the anti-Christ. I think they make all these baseless claims because they have no real claims to make against them. Obama is just too perfect.

To you he may be 'perfect', but to me and many others its just a fact that he hasn't been caught as yet.

Quote by: dan4reason Nether I nor Obama are required to show the whole nations our personal record because of silly conspiracy theories. This is just plain silly.

But he and you 'are' required if criminal wrong-doing is suspected, and I can tell by the news releases that it is just a matter of time, before Obama is spending more time in hearings rather than in the Oval Office!

Quote by: dan4reason Actually, Obama's birth certificate was released, I saw it on msn. He was indeed born in the US. The chance that he was born in Kenya is the chance that you were born in Japan.

Was it the online purchased e-bay version or the Walmart laser copy you were looking at?

I suspect fraud has been accomplished, due to the accumulating circumstantial evidence that is building by the weeks, and it is beginning to look in favor of a fraud finding.

It is just a matter of time.

[Deadeye]

The president is never supposed to tell the public what he wants to do. We hope he cannot do anything without working through the system. We want our checks and balances to work to limit his power.

The president cannot, for instance; declare war. He cannot spend money without the approval of congress. He cannot levy taxes, the House does that. All the president can do is request....we hope; anyway. There is a problem that cowardly congresspeople deligates powers to the president that they do not to deal with themselves. We should probably feed congresspeople a straight diet of broken glass.

Furthermore the president and the government have no responsiblity to help the public. They are supposed to "support the general welfare" and not create it. What makes this nation great is that the people help themselves; the government is supposed to protect our rights and clear the way and provide security so that we can use our own skills and drive to be successful ourselves.

Libs and Demos for some reason think that success comes from the government. Actually the opposite is true, because the government seldom does anything right.

[Trojan_Ripper]

I can’t wait to see the pictures from the National Enquire and paparazzi of Michelle attacking the Presidential limousine with a golf club.

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: Trojan_Ripper I can’t wait to see the pictures from the National Enquire and paparazzi of Michelle attacking the Presidential limousine with a golf club.

This sounds like a bloody soap opera!

~~Meanwhile back at the White House, Barack broods over his dented limo and suspicious reports of Tiger Woods being seen in the vicinity just days before.

Barack must once again become his own lawyer to outwit justice and comply with the American way.

Oprah Winfrey narrates!

[dan4reason]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II So the entire American political system is based upon projected dreams and ethereal semblances, with its presidential leader becoming a deceptive accomplice . . . And then that same president goes on to lead his nation continuing forward with only half-truths . . . This is a pitiful revelation --- And why would I suspect subterfuge!? Or does he magically go straight and honest at the Inauguration ceremony? Obama may not be 'all' talk, but I suspect 'some' is just talk . . . And the American/World people have no way to discern which is which, until of course they are sifting through the ashes of ramification aftermath!

Obama has said some stuff that he hasn't done. Granted. However, he has walked the talk more than the other presidents recently. And this is one of the reasons Republicans are so mad at him.

* I think I may understand what you mean here : I do not live with Obama or his family members, and neither do you albeit, so there is no possible way to absolutely know!!! . . . Unless you are one to trust the press-media fully, which is insane. At least I am viewing all the evidence that is becoming available, with an open-mind and a 'grain of salt'.

You need at least a little evidence to claim something about Obama's ideas to deserve any attention.

Then Obama's success story relies totally upon his successful manipulation of TARP stimulus funds to prop-up the jobless numbers, which is attached to a faulty and fraudulent debenture and derivatives contract market . . . This spells massive hyperinflation my friend. But still there is an extremely slight chance of success, but this is linked to mere chance-luck and 'not' Obama's skills. Your reference to 'if' carries paramount importance to this entire debate, and to whether we will be eating anything in 2011!

Wow. You are good at putting everything in the worst light possible. Obama's success depends on his economic strategies working. If they don't, people will be mad. Economic recovery doesn't necessarily depend on hyperinflation. Economists predict that the economy will recover in 2010 at a slow rate.

Obama's made his records private (concealed them), and if it is as you say. then it must be some whopper of a lure for the Republicans to go after it with drooling relish, whatever it may possibly be . . . So as American citizens we can expect no accountability from our president (public servant) or government in general? In the case of national security issues I can understand this, but even if I were president I would know to render a public explanation. All we receive is an eerie vacuum from the White House --- Spooky. As an American citizen I demand disclosure, transparency and truth from this public servant. The one absolute reason for this is, to keep those who wish to do harm to the United States outside the capability-range of endangering the U.S. Constitution, and becoming a foreign threat from within the internal workings of our government. *(Note: The reader must speculate along with the writer on this point)!

I am fine with Obama revealing some of his records. From my knowledge presidents do not have to reveal their records unless they are being tried for a crime or being impeached.

To you he may be 'perfect', but to me and many others its just a fact that he hasn't been caught as yet.

Why do you think Obama is so bad? You need some evidence. I don't think he is absolutely perfect, however, he seems like a very good person.

But he and you 'are' required if criminal wrong-doing is suspected, and I can tell by the news releases that it is just a matter of time, before Obama is spending more time in hearings rather than in the Oval Office!

If someone just suspects me of a crime, I do not have to reveal my records to the nation. If this person had evidence of wrongdoing, and I am being brought to trial, then I am required to reveal my personal records.

Was it the online purchased e-bay version or the Walmart laser copy you were looking at? I suspect fraud has been accomplished, due to the accumulating circumstantial evidence that is building by the weeks, and it is beginning to look in favor of a fraud finding. It is just a matter of time.

I don't remember. I just saw it on msn. You people ask for Obama's birth records. You receive them. Now you call them fake. What will convince you? Do you need a time machine to go back to when Obama was born for me to prove that he was born in the US? On what basis do you argue that Obama is a foreigner? Is it the fact that he is black?