Obama Euphoria Ends

[dan4reason]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II I totally agree dan4reason, because look at the ignorant people who elected Obama into office. However it was not all the people's fault, because Obama false-advertised his true campaign goals and objectives!

It seems like Obama has been walking his talk. He did sometimes change his mind on the way, but he has been pretty consistent. I do not agree with everything he has done, but at least his attitude and intellect is the right one. He has become unpopular because many people did not listen to everything he said when they voted for him. He promised to expand the war in Afghanistan and people voted for him. Now these same people are shocked when he actually does expand the war in Afghanistan.

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: NoJingoLingo Were you conscious for the last 8 years? Obama didn't start anything that is currently happening to our country, the people and party you are protecting did it. Somehow you don't seem to grasp that in your attempt to blame all of the governmental problems on Obama. I don't disagree but we will never stand together when people like you are not really interested in the solution but rather in bringing down the opposition. And if that happens will you say - Obama failed to fix the Cheney admin mess or will you simply dump it all at Obama's feet?

Are you conscious of the U.S. history from the 50's - 90's that created and allowed the Bush/Cheney Administration to 'further' continue to pervert the American way?

If Obama is ever listed as a failure, it should be duly noted that he alone is 'not' totally responsible, because this type of failure is actually a cumulative failure, that should also be shared by the American people and all the public servants and officials!!!

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: dan4reason It seems like Obama has been walking his talk. He did sometimes change his mind on the way, but he has been pretty consistent. I do not agree with everything he has done, but at least his attitude and intellect is the right one. He has become unpopular because many people did not listen to everything he said when they voted for him. He promised to expand the war in Afghanistan and people voted for him. Now these same people are shocked when he actually does expand the war in Afghanistan.

Obama's 2008 pre-election platform(s) changed so many times, that everyone was having trouble keeping track and understanding his meaning, but he wasn't a Bush (Republican) --- thus he got elected.

He also promised to block the Lobbyists and Special Interest Groups, and this was the only way that Obama could have 'not' been viewed as another Bush-type tyrant!

It is still not too late, but time is escaping correction on this issue!!!

[Deadeye]

Quote by: NoJingoLingo Wait, did you say, if the government fixes the ballot box as they did with Frankin? Seriously, you think the Minnesota senate race was fixed in Franken's favor (try spelling peoples names correctly) but you don't think the fix was in for Bush, in both elections? Your last statement is pure partisan speculation.

Conderning spelling, I cannot do it. I never have been able to spell.

As for Frankin's winning the election? The fix was in. Demos went in with a battery of lawyers and overturned hundreds of votes. They counted new ones. Guess how many they found for the Repub? None.

Only fools ignor that Democrats and the likes of ACORN fix elections. Happens all of the time. Union members put Kennedy in the Oval office; that was a very close election. JFK even admitted it.

[Robert Marsh II]

Some more Obama euphoria steam is rapidly leaking out of the administration, by way of their unwillingness to comply with Campaign 2008 promises made by Obama himself.

RE: Endangered Species listing and protection legislation involving plants and animals.

The Center for Biological Diversity has entered a court battle against the Obama Administration, and they are attempting to get Obama back on track.

There was a petition connected to this donation fundraiser, but it has been moved and I am unable to locate the petition part.

The petition side may currently be 'closed'. (?)

Many previous Obama supporters are more than angry and disillusioned with him now.

If Obama does not turn his public perception around immediately, then he will become a political lame-duck!

Help Save Endangered Species - Get Obama Back On Track - Center for Biological Diversity

[NoJingoLingo]

Quote by: dan4reason I think that the philosophy of the constitution applies to everyone, but as a legal document, it applies only to Americans. If you can give me proof that it applies to everyone, then I will be happy to admit that I was wrong.

Because none of the "rights" include the word American or citizen but rather, person or people.

[NoJingoLingo]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II Anyone can see you are 'not' really concerned with the topic at hand, but only wish to disturb this debate . . . And to protect your own mental image of Obama . . . Anyone reviewing every single post on this debate where you (NoJingoLingo) have asked me anything, and where I have ignored you, can plainly see that my perception of you is that you are not on these entries to debate . . . But Rather . . . You are only attending this debate to protect your own personal childish falsehoods and preconceived notions and ideas concerning 'The Great and Mighty Powerful Mr. Obama' --- who can do no wrong in your eyes! Why sir, would I wish to answer your questions, especially as I am still learning the Volconvo on-site procedures??? Also, anyone reviewing will see that I have used the New York Times, Washington Times, Washington Post, CNN, . . . etc., however, due to mainstream media's manipulations, I have produced actual militant sites . . . etc. to reveal their existence and unfortunate potential threat being posed against the president. I feel highly confident to how this debate is progressing, and I am absolutely certain that you NoJingoLingo will never be satisfied!!! By the way, word on the national surveys and polls are beginning to currently reflect the Obama-Palin rating gap has melted to a mere 1 point. I am not currently interested in either one. Shocker polls: That Sarah Palin-Barack Obama gap melts to <em>1</em> point | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

As usual you are factually incorrect and simply proffer opinion. I have on many occasions made clear that I am unhappy with this or that which the President is doing. I have tried to discuss with you but you prefer to ignore questions and respond by posting links. That is why I started badgering you for your historical rants, that and the fact that you make one after the other as if this were your blog. If you are going to take a stand then you should be aware that people who oppose your stance will question your "facts".

I notice that you don't post endless derogatory commentary about Sarah Palin...

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: NoJingoLingo As usual you are factually incorrect and simply proffer opinion. I have on many occasions made clear that I am unhappy with this or that which the President is doing. I have tried to discuss with you but you prefer to ignore questions and respond by posting links. That is why I started badgering you for your historical rants, that and the fact that you make one after the other as if this were your blog. If you are going to take a stand then you should be aware that people who oppose your stance will question your "facts". I notice that you don't post endless derogatory commentary about Sarah Palin...

Unless you are going to keep crying about my past debate performance 'in your opinion' . . .

Well NoJingoLingo, I am here to debate you now to the best of my ability, but not in a professional capacity; due to lack of Volconvo training.

Of course I am not aware of any Volconvo ruling, which states 'must have debate training' or 'be at a professional debate specific minimum level with certification' . . . .

And NoJingoLingo may wish to review this debate selection, because it is "Obama Euphoria Ends" debate, and 'not' the Sarah Palin Euphoria Ends debate . . . .

Although it currently seems I could do another debate in regard to "Sarah Palin Euphoria Begins"!?!?

What do you possibly think of that -- NoJingoLingo???

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II ..... this type of failure is actually a cumulative failure, that should also be shared by the American people .....

A false allegation that's been repeated far too many times. What actually are the American people supposed to do when EVERY elected official is quickly corrupted by the system the politicians have instituted in DC??

In addition, most American voters have jobs, as well as family obligations that require significant amounts of time. How are they really supposed to counter political crooks that lie, cheat, and steal for a living??

[Deadeye]

Quote by: NoJingoLingo Because none of the "rights" include the word American or citizen but rather, person or people.

The Preamble of the Constitution states:

"We the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Therefore Lingolingo; you are incorrect. The Constitution was written for citizens of the United States and does not apply to foreigners.

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: Zeebadee A false allegation that's been repeated far too many times. What actually are the American people supposed to do when EVERY elected official is quickly corrupted by the system the politicians have instituted in DC?? In addition, most American voters have jobs, as well as family obligations that require significant amounts of time. How are they really supposed to counter political crooks that lie, cheat, and steal for a living??

I am no lawyer, but the path has been set quite clear within the texts of the U.S. Constitution, as to how it was expected for any generation to proceed under this type of corrupt circumstance.

Someone with more knowledge than I must champion this issue beyond this specific point.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II I am no lawyer, but the path has been set quite clear within the texts of the U.S. Constitution, as to how it was expected for any generation to proceed under this type of corrupt circumstance. Someone with more knowledge than I must champion this issue beyond this specific point.

Being a lawyer does not make you smarter or better suited to evaluate the Constitution. All being a lawyer makes you is liberal, which equates to being not all that sharp and close minded.

So, be my guest; go ahead and read into the Constitution that which it means to say. You are just as qualified as anyone, and not being an attorney probably makes you more so.

[NoJingoLingo]

Quote by: Deadeye Conderning spelling, I cannot do it. I never have been able to spell. As for Frankin's winning the election? The fix was in. Demos went in with a battery of lawyers and overturned hundreds of votes. They counted new ones. Guess how many they found for the Repub? None. Only fools ignor that Democrats and the likes of ACORN fix elections. Happens all of the time. Union members put Kennedy in the Oval office; that was a very close election. JFK even admitted it.

They went in with lawyers to combat the repub attempt at shutting down the vote count like was done in Florida. Coleman had just as many lawyers so why the partisanship? Oh yeah, I forgot, you CCCPers are unconcerned with the facts.

So I don't suppose you could produce the source that says "They counted new ones. Guess how many they found for the Repub? None."

Only the stupid or willfully ignorant think that ACORN fixes elections. They only register voters so that when they show up on election day the process runs quicker. If Mickey Mouse doesn't actually show up to vote then ACORN having registered the name Mickey Mouse, becomes meaningless. If Mickey Mouse does show up then ACORN is has nothing to do with confirming the identity.

[NoJingoLingo]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II Some more Obama euphoria steam is rapidly leaking out of the administration, by way of their unwillingness to comply with Campaign 2008 promises made by Obama himself. RE: Endangered Species listing and protection legislation involving plants and animals. The Center for Biological Diversity has entered a court battle against the Obama Administration, and they are attempting to get Obama back on track. There was a petition connected to this donation fundraiser, but it has been moved and I am unable to locate the petition part. The petition side may currently be 'closed'. (?) Many previous Obama supporters are more than angry and disillusioned with him now. If Obama does not turn his public perception around immediately, then he will become a political lame-duck! Help Save Endangered Species - Get Obama Back On Track - Center for Biological Diversity

Well here is a perfect example of how easy it is to discredit you.

So should Obama focus on the economy/jobs and 2 wars or should he put those issues aside and work on endangered species? Surely you wouldn't rant on about how the economy and the wars are more important, were he to do so.

In other words, you are not at all interested in how the government is being run but rather, you are interested in bashing the opposition. It's proven (again) by your post.

[NoJingoLingo]

Quote by: Deadeye The Preamble of the Constitution states: "We the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Therefore Lingolingo; you are incorrect. The Constitution was written for citizens of the United States and does not apply to foreigners.

For the sake of this argument: translated

Those of us living now, do create this Constitution for the United States of America, to ensure justice, domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare for ourselves and our posterity.

You can even cut out the middle of the preamble for this argument. The underlined portion indicates anyone in the USA and says nothing about having to be a citizen to receive the benefit of said Constitution.

[NoJingoLingo]

Quote by: Deadeye Being a lawyer does not make you smarter or better suited to evaluate the Constitution. All being a lawyer makes you is liberal, which equates to being not all that sharp and close minded. So, be my guest; go ahead and read into the Constitution that which it means to say. You are just as qualified as anyone, and not being an attorney probably makes you more so.

If that post doesn't seal your identity as close minded political hack then nothing will.

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: NoJingoLingo Well here is a perfect example of how easy it is to discredit you. So should Obama focus on the economy/jobs and 2 wars or should he put those issues aside and work on endangered species? Surely you wouldn't rant on about how the economy and the wars are more important, were he to do so. In other words, you are not at all interested in how the government is being run but rather, you are interested in bashing the opposition. It's proven (again) by your post.

Under the existing premise of this debate, I have just given another prime example of Obama disregarding a specific promise toward Endangered Species . . .

And I believe he knew in advance that he would not be able to cover all his bases . . .

Therefore he lied in order to enter the United States Presidency!

All politicians engage this tactic, but does that make it right?

Only the rich and influential (pre-corrupt) candidates have any chance to become the President of the United States . . .

Any questions???

Therefore Obama was most likely pre-corrupt in Chicago Democratic politics before his election.

However, I admit that I would stop 'bashing the opposition' if he would at least portray an 'honest Abe Lincoln' atmosphere by his current and forward actions . . .

Rather than his giving off an unconcerned Chicago syndicate- politician attitude.

At this moment however, Obama is going down like a 'big dog', and doesn't seem to need any opposing 'help'!

*Personal Observation & Not An Endorsement :

Sarah Palin in my opinion could best save her money and let Obama fall on his own.

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NoJingoLingo;

I wonder if you are taking an active part physically and mentally to help save the presidents' incoming demise, and can you prove it -- If yes???

[Deadeye]

Quote by: NoJingoLingo Only the stupid or willfully ignorant think that ACORN fixes elections.

Thousands and thousands of their voters have been thrown out, becuase they were illegally enrolled, or were dead.

Coleman's case was judged by liberals.

The Bush people did not, not count votes in Florida. They had recount after recount and each and every time they did Bush ended up with even more votes than before.

What the Democrats (spit to one side) did was to try to change the rules after the voting was over. But Liberals and Democrats always cheat. Just look at how they are passing cap and trade and this medical system BS.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II Under the existing premise of this debate, I have just given another prime example of Obama disregarding a specific promise toward Endangered Species . . . And I believe he knew in advance that he would not be able to cover all his bases . . . Therefore he lied in order to enter the United States Presidency! All politicians engage this tactic, but does that make it right? Only the rich and influential (pre-corrupt) candidates have any chance to become the President of the United States . . . Any questions??? Therefore Obama was most likely pre-corrupt in Chicago Democratic politics before his election. However, I admit that I would stop 'bashing the opposition' if he would at least portray an 'honest Abe Lincoln' atmosphere by his current and forward actions . . . Rather than his giving off an unconcerned Chicago syndicate- politician attitude. At this moment however, Obama is going down like a 'big dog', and doesn't seem to need any opposing 'help'! *Personal Observation & Not An Endorsement : Sarah Palin in my opinion could best save her money and let Obama fall on his own. ========= NoJingoLingo; I wonder if you are taking an active part physically and mentally to help save the presidents incoming demise, and can you prove it -- If yes???

Sarah Palin has a chance of winning the presidency, albeit a slight one, and she is a pure as the driven snow, and nor is she rich. George Bush, didn't have a crooked bone in his body. He had a conscience you see. Obama too? I doubt it.

[Robert Marsh II]

Quote by: Deadeye Being a lawyer does not make you smarter or better suited to evaluate the Constitution. All being a lawyer makes you is liberal, which equates to being not all that sharp and close minded. So, be my guest; go ahead and read into the Constitution that which it means to say. You are just as qualified as anyone, and not being an attorney probably makes you more so.

Deadeye;

This is as close as I can get with my limited time available, and please feel free to assist if you can to help redirect or focus!

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