Modern, liberal ideology must be overthrown

[Chris the Chees]

Quote by: Questatement I gave you a link with thousands of words to describe the type of liberalism and the context it applies to. Do you really think we have a need to additionally define it for the purpose of this thread?

Yes, and the fallicious use to which it was put in the article was the basis of my point.

Quote by: Soothsayer your "dictionary" definition of "liberal" has been re-written repeatedly over time by the socialists who predominate within academia.

This is, of course, nonsense. The use of term in this context was popularied in the early 19th century following the Second Great awakening and following the rise of Evangelicalism. It refered to an attitude of tolerance to new unorthadox ideals. Whatever they might be called, these people were hardly 'socialists' of the acadamy. Though your use of the word 'socialist' I rather think proves my point about the conservative shift in use of perjorative away from the word 'liberal' and back towards the term 'socialist'.

Though let us consider the issue of a general leftwing dominance of the acadamy, academics are well educated and one would hope of above average intelligence. The left generally has been the political home ground of the learned, so it is no supprise that acadamy has a leftwing majority. While the rightwing, at least in my experience, tends to attract the ignorant. The author of the article in the OP's ignorant bigotry being a prime example.

Quote by: Soothsayer "Liberal" once was the self-described compliment that monarchs gave themselves when they "liberalised' their dictatorial policies over their bourgeoise subjects as a political expediency---either their hand was forced because their economic power represented a real threat to their own, which translated to a real military competition, or, as matter of practicality with concomitant public relations advantages, they were able to appear magnanimous while taking advantage of their subjects' ingenuity in business by making them more amenable to increasing taxation.

Initially the term 'liberal' was actually used in terms of the 'arts' and aquisition of knowledge. The usage of the term in this context is the earliest, dating to the late 14th century. Liberal, as a synonym for kindness comes slightly later, i.e. the king's gift was liberal, and derived from that is liberal as in ample, i.e. a liberal helping of ice cream.

As for liberal, in the 19th century economic sense, I already discussed that in my previous post.

[Questatement]

Quote by: Chris the Chees Yes, and the fallicious use to which it was put in the article was the basis of my point.

So the fact that the Democratic party in the US is considered the more liberal of the two main parties (in fact, far by comparison) and largely endorses amnesty, welfare, heath-care, etc. for illegal immigrants makes no sense to you?

Curious, have you ever even visited America?

[grandpa]

Quote by: Questatement So the fact that the Democratic party in the US is considered the more liberal of the two main parties (in fact, far by comparison) and largely endorses amnesty, welfare, heath-care, etc. for illegal immigrants makes no sense to you? Curious, have you ever even visited America?

Have you? The border was actually militzarized during the Clinton years. Welfare was slashed for everyone. Health care became more iffy for everyone (including those unbelievably evil, comparable to bin Laden or Hitler illegal immigrants).

Grandpa h.

[Questatement]

Quote by: grandpa Have you? The border was actually militzarized during the Clinton years. Welfare was slashed for everyone. Health care became more iffy for everyone (including those unbelievably evil, comparable to bin Laden or Hitler illegal immigrants). Grandpa h.

Rhetoric. You're assuming that militarization of the border actually reduces illegal populations... it doesn't. Studies show that the voluntary return rates drops and the net gain/loss is zero. BTW between which BJ did Clinton find the time to sign that authorization?

Also, across the board reduction rates for tax-payer funded benefits do not reflect on this issue. Those were overall economic affairs and non-specific to illegal and/or legal citizens.

[GeminiBrian]

Questatement;666469] A society that cannot discriminate between itself and other societies will go out of existence...

And a good thing, too...

[soothsayer]

Quote by: Soothsayer your "dictionary" definition of "liberal" has been re-written repeatedly over time by the socialists who predominate within academia.

I was referring to the academic committees that have been writing dictionaries over the past few decades.
Language evolves, sometimes it evolves top-down (as in politically-motivated changes) and sometimes from common usage.
The debate over whether dictionaries should "preserve" language or "reflect it" is tangential here.
i am of the school that dictionary entries, in order to be the most useful, should do both.. however, the introduction of politically-motivated changes to language are at once preposterous as well as insidious.

academics are well educated and one would hope of above average intelligence.

without question, even the most contemptible libtards i have encountered professionally most certainly are... however their conditioning, lack of experience outside their specialized realms and generally myopic outlook are hard to overcome even when found in the rarest of cases when they possess the sincerest intentions of intellectual honesty.

The left generally has been the political home ground of the learned, so it is no supprise that acadamy has a leftwing majority.

let us not overlook that academia in America cannot exist without false money.
To be an academic was once a "calling" akin to becoming a monk or priest or nun tantamount to taking a vow of poverty in exchange for living a life of the mind and the rewards of endevoring to bestow it upon students. Today, most "grant-writing" academics possess the "summer homes" that noJingoLingo so loves to covet.
Further, let us not forget that "left" politics is predicated upon CONTROL...
control of the economy, in the case of a fully totalitarian state like the soviet union...leaving everyone destitute... or CONTROL of the Treasury, as Obama has enabled, in which the mandarins and elite (temporarily) enjoy the spoils.
inevitably, their greed takes over, and without the natural checks of an open and interdependent free market, they strangle the golden goose.

While the rightwing, at least in my experience, tends to attract the ignorant.

Often uneducated, inarticulate, perhaps, but certainly not ignorant of the reality that, chips falling where they may, in a CONTROLLED economy, those who make their way solely upon their own mettle are cheated in a variety of ways by such systems and they sense this is a grave injustice to their independence and right to self-determination.

[Questatement]

Quote by: GeminiBrian And a good thing, too...

I'm glad you have the option to lie when they hold a sword to your neck and ask you if you are truly gay. I have no such luxury with my faith.

[GeminiBrian]

Quote by: Questatement I'm glad you have the option to lie when they hold a sword to your neck and ask you if you are truly gay. I have no such luxury with my faith.

Let's not enter the realms of paranoia with undue haste, Quest.

Hitler completely defeated and communism suffering a major, global set-back.

You shouldn't need to be reminded that Hitler, too, has a similar policy towards another racial group - the Jews. Were he alive today and living in America he would no doubt be the first to support your proposals for 'ethnic cleansing' - but he had the excuse of bring mad, of course. What's yours?

In fact, Quest - I have a far better idea - let America round up ALL religious fundamentalists and extremists, (be they Christian or Islamic) and ship them off to the Antarctic. That would solve a great many of the country's hate-related problems.

ps. don't forget to pack your snow boots...

[soothsayer]

That would solve a great many of the country's hate-related problems.

The only "hate-relaed' problems i encounter are govt-fostered racism on the part of black political "leaders' who, coincidentally, are also preachers or claim to be "devout' and attend church regularly, while grossly enriching themselves while deteriorating the quality of life of, if not utterly damning to being a permenent dependency underclass... those they purport to be "delivering" and "uplifting".YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[Questatement]

Quote by: GeminiBrian Let's not enter the realms of paranoia with undue haste, Quest.

I don't think I need to source recent accounts of homosexuals being executed in Muslim countries, do I? Besides, my predictions are fifty or so years out. You and I will most likely be pushing daisies by then.

Quote by: GeminiBrian You shouldn't need to be reminded that Hitler, too, has a similar policy towards another racial group - the Jews. Were he alive today and living in America he would no doubt be the first to support your proposals for 'ethnic cleansing' - but he had the excuse of bring mad, of course. What's yours?

The Hitler card so soon? Just shows how poor of a hand you really have.

Quote by: GeminiBrian In fact, Quest - I have a far better idea - let America round up ALL religious fundamentalists and extremists, (be they Christian or Islamic) and ship them off to the Antarctic. That would solve a great many of the country's hate-related problems.

Excellent idea. Send the radical homos too.

[GeminiBrian]

Quote by: soothsayer The only "hate-relaed' problems i encounter are govt-fostered racism on the part of black political "leaders' who, coincidentally, are also preachers or claim to be "devout' and attend church regularly, while grossly enriching themselves while deteriorating the quality of life of, if not utterly damning to being a permenent dependency underclass... those they purport to be "delivering" and "uplifting".

I think you are talking about all tv. evangelists here - most of whom are white.

I've changed my mind about Antarctica - we don't want it overcrowded by all these religious trouble-makers - maybe the moon instead, as it's further away.

[GeminiBrian]

Quote by: Questatement I don't think I need to source recent accounts of homosexuals being executed in Muslim countries, do I? Besides, my predictions are fifty or so years out. You and I will most likely be pushing daisies by then.

You make Jeremiah look like a dewy-eyed optimist, Quest

The Hitler card so soon?

Seriously ... how long did you think it would take to make such an obvious comparison?

Excellent idea. Send the radical homos too.

What? and deprive America of some of her most exemplary, enlightened citizens?

... don't be silly.

[soothsayer]

I think you are talking about all tv. evangelists here - most of whom are white.

Obama's Double Standard on Reverend Wright - US News and World Report

[Questatement]

Quote by: GeminiBrian You make Jeremiah look like a dewy-eyed optimist, Quest.

Point me out a country with a 50% or more Muslim population that you would be comfortable living in as this 50 year projection is not from me but the experts in this field.

Quote by: GeminiBrian Seriously ... how long did you think it would take to make such an obvious comparison?

Never, but I guess I over-estimated you.

Quote by: GeminiBrian What? and deprive America of some of her most exemplary, enlightened citizens? ... don't be silly.

Okay then, we'll compromise. Send them to Antarctica and make it the 51st state in the union.

[Jack]

Quote by: Questatement What specific part of the Constitution would need to be suspended or re-writen?

It's right there in the quote you presented.

The measures enumerated so far will inevitably be attacked as in violation of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which states that Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Therefore, in order for the measures that I've proposed to stand and not be overturned, we must have a further law stating that the First Amendment does not apply to Islam, does not protect the free exercise of the religion of Islam, because Islam is not only a religion, it is a political movement aimed at establishing tyrannical power over non-Muslims, and specifically aimed at overturning our Constitution, laws, and liberties. However, even such a radical law would not get us out of the woods, because it also could be overturned as in violation of the First Amendment. Therefore, in order for the measures I have proposed to be truly secure and not threatened by constitutional challenge, we must go to the highest level of our political system. We must pass a Constitutional amendment that prohibits the practice of Islam in the United States.

[GeminiBrian]

Quote by: Questatement Okay then, we'll compromise. Send them to Antarctica and make it the 51st state in the union.

Steady on, Quest - don't overreach yourself in these deportation matters.

Deal with America's Muslim population first before you start on America's estimated 10 million gays.

The logistics would be a nightmare, even if you had God's backing.

No, my advice to you is - wait till you get to heaven - think of it, no Muslims, no gays - submissive women - a perfect environment for you (if boring) - so why the impatience?

Leave such matters in God's hands and relax, and give the rest of us a break.

[Questatement]

Quote by: Jack It's right there in the quote you presented.

Except that an amendment does not suspend or re-write what already exists. It adds clarification to, or fills in what was previously absent, under the related section of the Constitution being amended.

[Thanatos]

Damnit, every time I see a thread like this I want to buy another gun. You guys are making me paranoid.

Mexicans, gay people, Muslims, oh my! Look. You sound like Adolf Hitler.

No, seriously. His original plan was to just deport all the people he didn't like but somehow that didn't work and the politics of hate were just too much fun for the young politician. The message became clear: kill the unwanted minorities.

Loyalty pledges. Brilliant. I'm sure that will work and no further measures will be necessary. If you go down this path it leads inevitably to killing everyone of a certain religion or ethnicity regardless of who they are as individuals.

This is an embryonic evil of potentially epic proportions. One thing though: Hitler was a much smarter man than anyone I've seen in the hate movements today.

Could we all please grow up before it's too late?

[SmirkingMan]

Section 1. The religion of Islam, as propagated in the Koran and in the Islamic Traditions or Hadiths, and formalized in the Sharia Law, shall not be practiced, disseminated, or advocated within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2. This article supersedes any contrary provision of this Constitution and of the laws of the United States.

I'm flabbergasted. Of course, free speech allows him to make such outrageous statements, but I wasn't aware that even America had fanatics that are this extreme.

For the moment, I am speechless

[GeminiBrian]

Quote by: SmirkingMan I'm flabbergasted. Of course, free speech allows him to make such outrageous statements, but I wasn't aware that even America had fanatics that are this extreme. For the moment, I am speechless

Never underestimate the punitive tendencies of the average religious fanatic. The first principle that goes out the window with these people is always 'Live and Let Live'...

That's why it's so important to counter their arguments on these forums, and at every opportunity, no matter how civilised they otherwise appear.

ps. notice also in the above posts from our own resident advocate of these hateful ideas how he further exposed his affinity with intolerance when he hinted that gays such as myself ought to be next on the list for expulsion, just as in Nazi Germany.

If that isn't another direct link to Hitler's way of thinking, I don't know what is...

Who next? disabled people?