Michael Moore says Dems can win!

[PatrickHenry]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/...Date=2004-09-20
Moore says stop cowering in fear, Democrats. Kerry can pull it off. Bush is a loser with a majority of Americans and the Dems just need to push on.

Enough of the handwringing! Enough of the doomsaying! Do I have to come there and personally calm you down? Stop with all the defeatism, OK? Bush IS a goner -- IF we all just quit our whining and bellyaching and stop shaking like a bunch of nervous ninnies. Geez, this is embarrassing! The Republicans are laughing at us. Do you ever see them cry, "Oh, it's all over! We are finished! Bush can't win! Waaaaaa!" Hell no. It's never over for them until the last ballot is shredded. They are never finished -- they just keeping moving forward like sharks that never sleep, always pushing, pulling, kicking, blocking, lying. They are relentless and that is why we secretly admire them -- they just simply never, ever give up. Only 30% of the country calls itself "Republican," yet the Republicans own it all -- the White House, both houses of Congress, the Supreme Court and the majority of the governorships. How do you think they've been able to pull that off considering they are a minority? It's because they eat you and me and every other liberal for breakfast and then spend the rest of the day wreaking havoc on the planet.

Can the Dems really come out on top in November? Will there really be a difference under a President Kerry?

[Nono]

Of course they could, even without 'events' helping them. Theoretically.
I'll tell you one thing, if they could get their 'natural constituency' (labour, blacks, etc.) to actually proceed to the polling booth, they'd win.
That is, barring whatever Cheney & Co. are cooking up for late October.
Tricky, ain't it?

Moore is appealing to people to resist a psychological drift-into-vicious-circle-vortex. Fair enough. But then isn't he the guy who told everybody to go out and vote for Nader last time? And we know what that brought about.

As I see it, the Dems are up against it. If all these Bush-in-the-lead polls are valid, that speaks for itself. If they are a media confection (as I suspect), well then they'll probably amount to a self-fulfilling prophesy. People always like to "vote for a winner", don't they?

Post edited for spelling. Damn.

[Compugasm]

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Can they, yes. Will they, No.
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Will there really be a difference under a President Kerry?[/quote]
No.

[Sonart]

My personal opinion is that Kerry has shot himself in the foot sufficiently that he has allowed Bush to define him to a degree that will be likely impossible to reverse.

Although I'm a Democrat, I've never thought much of Michael Moore. He's pretty much everything I despise in his right-wing equivilents; a posing, pompous slinger of half-truths, innuendos and rumors. Frustrating, since there's more than enough to legitimately nail Bush with.

That all said, I certainly intend to vote for Kerry in November. Regardless of how bad a candidate Kerry might be, he simply cannot be a worse President than Bush, who is systematically ruining our country. Bush is proving himself to be the fratboy who got through life on charm, his daddy's name and other people's money that we all thought he was, who even now confuses tough talk with intellegent policy.

Alas, Americans love tough talk, especially when they're still scared and angry over 9/11.

[Compugasm]

Originally posted by Sonart, Frustrating, since there's more than enough to legitimately nail Bush with.

Unfortunately, those things Kerry won't touch either. Immigration is the coffin nail IMO. But, I live in CA so that's my bias. Candidates are spending alot of time in Ohio I hear. Ohio? Where indoor pluming is still being mastered. Aint no gays or bio-tech there to worry aboot. They're gonna talk to Ohioans about terrorists, when there isn't a locked door in the whole state. When is the last time a POTUS candidate went to Alaska or Hawaii? To my knowledge, only Nader.

[Technosoul]

Thousands of people rent movies each weekend and if the Moore movie comes out this month and all those people who are not so politically minded see it then we could see a shift in the numbers, as those people would not come here (etc) to hear any counter-debates.

It will be most interesting to see the poll numbers right after the his movie hits the rental shops.

Also we have the upcoming debates, it will depend on the canadates present their self during those debates and what emotions they might trigger. But as you know elections are not won by popular votes of the majority but by that other part having to do with how many points each state has as in influence. If Kerry shocked everyone and won in Fla, the rest is a slam dunk.

Technosoul.

[Nono]

Originally posted by Compugasm Ohio?

Yeah, the electoral college, remember?
Hawaii may have a better climate, but it doesn't win elections.

[Compugasm]

The fate of the world, is left in the hands of Ohio. Kind of ironic.

[prettyredhead]

LOL I live next to Ohio. I am voting for Kerry. Only because I hate Bush. He cant be worse . I want healthcare anyway, grandma should never have to choose between meds and food.
Bushes hate the poor, and the old. I want to bust his kneecaps. Stop picking on babies and old ladies.

[bishop]

personally, i agree with a lot of kerry's policies - and i'm a registered republican.

do i think he has all the answers to our problems? no. do i think bush does? no. but, my general thinking is that kerry isn't the gung ho, arrogant, person that bush is. i'd like our country to have friends again.

[Sonart]

Unfortunately, those things Kerry won't touch either.

Go figure. Even George Will sees it...

--"Who believes there are now fewer terrorists in the world than there were three years ago? The administration should be judged as it wants to be judged, by its performance regarding the issue it says should decide the election—national security. However, the opposition party is presenting an appallingly flaccid opposition. Teddy Roosevelt's description of William Howard Taft fits Kerry: "feebly well-meaning."

He needs to resuscitate his campaign by making himself an interesting alternative to Bush. However, he seems incapable of mounting what the nation needs—a root-and-branch critique of the stunningly anticonservative idea animating the administration's policy. The idea, a tenet of neoconservatism, is that all nations are more or less ready for democracy. So nation-building should be a piece of cake—never mind the winding, arduous, uphill hike the West took from Runnymede and Magna Charta in 1215 to Philadelphia in 1787."--

[Scribbler1]

I'm reminded of a post a while back where the poster (I forget who it was) reminded us of the fact that Al Gore had a little MORE than half the popular vote and that those voters are not likely to be any HAPPIER with Bush today. That, with the former Bush supporters and others polarized against the prez, would make it look like if Kerry does lose, it will not be anywhere the landslide the right wing has be suggesting.

And, as usual, polls are pure BS and should be ignored by all.

[PatrickHenry]

Mike Moore, slacker that he is, has announced the Slacker Uprising Tour coming to an arena near you!(battleground states only)
http://michaelmoore.com/words/message/inde...Date=2004-09-25

What I'm asking is that our fellow Americans, as the collective landlord of a public housing project at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., take just a few minutes to evict the tenant who is currently wrecking the place (not to mention what he's doing to the rest of the neighborhood). After all, isn't this one of the coolest things about a democracy, getting to give some payback to those in power? "YOU'RE FIRED!" Oooh, that feels good -- especially if the recipient of the pink slip is someone who wants to send your kid off to war. <snip> I, the original slacker -- I, who have endured all sorts of attacks for my slacker demeanor -- yes I am coming to an arena or stadium just outside your dorm room (or that little space off the furnace room where your parents still let you stay, rent-free). Why arenas and stadiums? Because there are so many of us -- AND they serve beer and chips. From the Sun Dome to the Key Arena, from the Patriot Center to the Del Mar Race Track, I will be there and I will bring prizes and presents and clean underwear for all in need. Before I arrive, I have arranged for free screenings of "Fahrenheit 9/11" in each city. <snip> A partial list of the cities I'm visiting includes: Seattle, Big Rapids (MI), Mt. Pleasant (MI), Tucson, Dearborn, Phoenix, East Lansing, Detroit, Ann Arbor, Albuquerque, Toledo, Columbus (OH), Ames (IA), Cleveland, Fairmont (WV), Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Bethlehem (PA), Fairfax (VA), Carlyle (PA), State College (PA), Minneapolis, Gainesville, Nashville, Miami, Memphis, Orlando, Salem (OR), Jacksonville, Tampa, Kansas City, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Madison, Green Bay, Las Vegas, Reno, Denver, and, of course, Tallahassee, Florida. Others will be posted later.