United Nations and CRC Threatens Freedom

[ironeagle]

I have been reading a bit on the United Nations and The CRC (convention for the Rights of the child) and am deeply disturbed by it's effects on the free nations of the Word. Although some polocies would help keep children from slavery and executions, most of the CRC rules would negate parental authority to be replaced by self parenting by the child and interfierence by the courts. The United Nations disturbes me particularly because I feel that they have no right to impose any laws on any nation. Being individual nations is what make us all unuique and it should be up ro our own countries laws to determine our citizens fate. In addition UN laws leave no room for free societies to opppose, change or repeal the laws. I think AMericans should be outraged at their proposals sepcificaly concerning the CRC who would make slapping, and spanking which are legitimate, safe and legal punishments for unruly children illegal child abuse, they would allow children to decide wether they can have sex, get birth control or abortions without parental knowledge or consent, and would allow the child to use up valuable government money and court time challenging every decision a parent makes about their life. For instanc eunder CRC laws a child could go to court against a parent who denies them Ballet Lessons, or grounds their child from the movies for bad behavior. CRC also wants to implement rules allowing children who are mad at parents for doing their job to pick alternative living arrangements? What is this crap? CHildren need parenting because they need guidance and make stupid decisions and have no idea what is best for them, parents protect and teach children. What this could mean if adopted by America is the systematic destruct of the relationship between child and parent even greater than the destruction caused by the divorce industry and a systematic deterioration of the consitution and the ability to oppose and repeal bad laws. A.K.A forced socialism policed by a World government entity. What I got to say about it is "DON'T TREAD ON ME"!

[rhod01]

"UN laws leave no room for free societies to opppose, change or repeal the laws"

You mislead yourself. There's always the option of entering a reservation regarding features of a treaty(which the US often does), there's nothing stopping a nation proposing a new UN Convention treaty or withdrawing from one either.

"For instanc eunder CRC laws a child could go to court against a parent who denies them Ballet Lessons"

You're exaggerating. The government can prosecute parents that refuse to provide for basic necessities. That's US law already no doubt, lol

"they would allow children to decide wether they can have sex"

That's the law already. Children can have sex with others without parental consent unless they exceed an age gap imposed by law. It's 3 years max in Victoria, Australia where I live.

"get birth control or abortions without parental knowledge or consent"

Within legal bounds set. Or did you fail to read them?

Honestly, your whole post is a misleading panic expression. Calm down and have a lie down or something

[Charlatan]

Quote by: ironeagle I have been reading a bit on the United Nations and The CRC (convention for the Rights of the child) and am deeply disturbed by it's effects on the free nations of the Word. Although some polocies would help keep children from slavery and executions, most of the CRC rules would negate parental authority to be replaced by self parenting by the child and interfierence by the courts. The United Nations disturbes me particularly because I feel that they have no right to impose any laws on any nation. Being individual nations is what make us all unuique and it should be up ro our own countries laws to determine our citizens fate. In addition UN laws leave no room for free societies to opppose, change or repeal the laws. I think AMericans should be outraged at their proposals sepcificaly concerning the CRC who would make slapping, and spanking which are legitimate, safe and legal punishments for unruly children illegal child abuse, they would allow children to decide wether they can have sex, get birth control or abortions without parental knowledge or consent, and would allow the child to use up valuable government money and court time challenging every decision a parent makes about their life. For instanc eunder CRC laws a child could go to court against a parent who denies them Ballet Lessons, or grounds their child from the movies for bad behavior. CRC also wants to implement rules allowing children who are mad at parents for doing their job to pick alternative living arrangements? What is this crap? CHildren need parenting because they need guidance and make stupid decisions and have no idea what is best for them, parents protect and teach children. What this could mean if adopted by America is the systematic destruct of the relationship between child and parent even greater than the destruction caused by the divorce industry and a systematic deterioration of the consitution and the ability to oppose and repeal bad laws. A.K.A forced socialism policed by a World government entity. What I got to say about it is "DON'T TREAD ON ME"!

Well hitting your children is objective violence, if you hit someone it is easy to do and nobody learns anything, by imposing a banning on going out you remove freedom from the child - justly - and then they learn something while it is going on. If you hit them they hate you for it afterwards and then the misery is over, by prolonging the misery you prolong the lesson. Hitting them makes them scarred and hate thier parents, and, they learn nothing. Hitting children leads to divisions - it is like other forms of weapon use, if they want to bring them closer together 'sanctioning' them is far more effective. Do you sanction a bad country or attack them?

When a child takes a parent to court they need to be heard first. If someone doesn;t take thier child to ballet, like you say, then the case is heard once and the law is based on findings for all new cases, and is handed down to courts for dirpersal - none of this mutliple cases. If a lawyer though finds a case that brings new evidence to the case, they might hear it, but usually they will just follow the status quo.

Then there is under age sex. If someone wants to engage in sex, they have hormones, naturally. If they want to engage in sex with someone older then they might just do that anyway, so this clears up the courts a lot. If someone has hormones they will engage in sexualt thoughts, so there is nothing religiously wrong here either, and, based on nature of what we are, they may engage in sex because they have a need to. It is like food, do you make them fast for no reason?

[SoylentGreen]

ironeagle I think AMericans should be outraged at their proposals sepcificaly concerning the CRC who would make slapping, and spanking which are legitimate, safe and legal punishments for unruly children illegal child abuse,

i live in a country that has an anti smacking bill, and i support it.
I don't know what the un is specifically applying to their version, i will leave it up to you to provide links to the specific parts your complaining about.

But here, an anti smacking bill does not mean that a parent cannot smack their child. they still have the freedom to discipline their child.

What the bill does is prevent a parent using the defense of "the right to discipline their child" in a court of law.

they would allow children to decide wether they can have sex, get birth control or abortions without parental knowledge or consent,

every human has rights, they are not subject to parental approval. the un does not endorse peodophilia, the rule does not allow for underage sex, nor does it define what that age is.
as no woman should be forced to go through with a pregnancy just because of a law that makes abortion illegal, no child should be forced to go through a pregnancy because a parent does not believe in abortion. the child having reached the age of legal sexual activity has a right to decide for themselves, not beg permission from a parent.

and would allow the child to use up valuable government money and court time challenging every decision a parent makes about their life. For instanc eunder CRC laws a child could go to court against a parent who denies them Ballet Lessons, or grounds their child from the movies for bad behavior. CRC also wants to implement rules allowing children who are mad at parents for doing their job to pick alternative living arrangements?

Again, provide a link and prove your not making the ballet example up.
but we have had a thread awhile ago on this subject. but it was about a child taking their divorced parents to court because the parents were using the child as an emotional football.

[ironeagle]

I don't support crybaby socialists who say physical punishment which is both necesary and biblic is abuse, it's child coddling prpaganda and in fact children do learn from physical punishment much more than they do time out chairs. at any rate a parent in the us has the right to say no to their hcild having sex, any law contradicting it is a law that supports sexual exploitation of children. There are already cases of children taking parents to court to go to prom when the prom was taken away as punishment for repeated bad behavior. This treaty will make a joke out of parenting and punish good parents and treat good parents who don't let their children run loose like cave children , like abusers just because some crybaby socialists don't like physical punishments. I've seen the children of people who don't spank 99% of those kids are snotty, rude, selfish, hyperactive, kids who cuss, hit other kids, and walk all over their parents. They are also the kind of kids hwo other parents can't stand to be around in public.

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: ironeagle I don't support crybaby socialists who say physical punishment which is both necesary and biblic .

sniffle, sob, snivel, but that really hurts my feelings

is abuse,

yes, the anti smacking bill covers abuse of a child, not discipline.

it's child coddling prpaganda and in fact children do learn from physical punishment much more than they do time out chairs.

yea, it taught me the fine art of not getting caught.

at any rate a parent in the us has the right to say no to their hcild having sex, any law contradicting it is a law that supports sexual exploitation of children.

i agree with you there, every parent has the right to tell their children , no to having sex.
but tell me what you think a young teenage parent is? a reflection on their parents ability to say no, or the childs ability to listen?

There are already cases of children taking parents to court to go to prom when the prom was taken away as punishment for repeated bad behavior. This treaty will make a joke out of parenting and punish good parents and treat good parents who don't let their children run loose like cave children ,

the last thread we had here on that subject turned out the kid was under the custody of the lawyer while the parents settled divorce differences. they were manipulating the child to punish each other.
perhaps there are also cases where the child is actually in the right.

like abusers just because some crybaby socialists don't like physical punishments. I've seen the children of people who don't spank 99% of those kids are snotty, rude, selfish, hyperactive, kids who cuss, hit other kids, and walk all over their parents. They are also the kind of kids hwo other parents can't stand to be around in public

no, you completely misunderstand the anti smacking bill.
in order for the police to take a case against a parent they must prove abuse.
abuse is where they can show cuts, bruises, broken bones, hospitalisation and of course the worse case scenario, death of a child.

now you explain to me why you need to discipline a child to the point where any of the above occur.

i repeat the anti smacking bill means that you can smack your child, but, you cannot go into a court room having been charged with the above evidence of abuse and make the claim that it is your righ to discipline the child as you see fit.

Your good on giving examples , well here is mine.
In samoan christian religion as they practice it. many, not all, stick to the bibles admission , " spare the rod, spoil the child."
A rod is a piece of cane , no thicker than a mans thumb, according to them.

many a samoan child, no more than 3 or 4 years of age have been hospitalised and sometimes killed by this punishment.
This has been occurring ever since the christians converted them from their own native beliefs, which did not include beating a child with sticks.

[ironeagle]

True many teens don't listen, but at least the parents who didn't think it was acceptable tried, I hate people who just let there kids do whatever they want and can't figure out why they are out of control.We are never going to have a perfect society but I can tell you, children behaved fairly well in the old days compaired to now. Now because of socialisst and matriarchal attitutdes children are ever growing in volitile and gross behavior. I don't believe in hiting kids with objects because I think people get too out of control with it, but a good old spanking is necisary sometimes to keep spoiled children under control. I don't care what your anti-smack bill says parents do have the right to parent as they see fit and hitting is not abuse. It's interesting to me that so many societies think gayness and lesbianism is ok, even though it teaches sodomy and all kinds of explicit sexual behavior but that we don't accept parenting that involves actually taking charge and physically dealing with our children's behavior. See this is why Americans carry guns, because we are just sick and tired of forced socilaism in our homes where it doesn't belong. If the CRC thinks it's going to penetrate patriotic American's homes it's got another thing coming we don't want it here, we don't want a group of 18 people in some backwards overseas country dictating how we raise our kids. Kids aren't property of the state they are the kids or the parents and parents should dictate children's activities period. By the way it is so like socialists to twist everything into the worst scenario, yes some people abuse their children, but it has nothing to do with spanking or slapping the hcild's hand or mouth. Just like they think people with guns to protect themselves are all gangsters who murder people. It's also interesting that some country's allow muslims to have sharia law which is so redculous because those people oppress women and don't even let their children go to school but we can't have americans disciplining their kids, God forbid those Christians instill values in their children.