Gun Ban

[Technosoul]

You could not prevent crime with a nuclear missle, how would you do it with a pop gun? Show me your stats, your proof? What state or country is crime free because people in that location can bear arms?

[bugsbunny04]

The lowest crime rate in the country belongs to a Georgia town that REQUIRES everybody not restricted by the 68' Gun Control Act own a gun. The highest crime rate in the country belongs to Washington DC where NOBODY is allowed to have a gun but the gangstas dont seem to notice. Firearms are used about 2,000,000 times a year to PREVENT crime, and about 10,000 times a year by criminals. Nobody is crime free, but places where concealed carry has been legalized, muggings and rapes ALWAYS go down significantly. In places where guns are confiscated, home invasions ALWAYS go up significantly. What state or country is crime free because there people CANT bear arms? Dont you dare say North Korea. That place is so much like Orwell's Oceania its hard to tell the difference.

Dont give me this crap about how I have not given you statistics and studies, I fucking gave them to you and you refused to fucking look at them. Go back and find the shit, and actually look at what I have given you, or quit whining about me not giving you anything.

The video I linked earlier, John Lott's book "More Guns, Less Crime", Guncite.com, the CDC (though you will have to actually be able to read raw numbers, because they usually summarize them wrong), the FBI, all of these sources.

[Waychel]

Some weeks ago I had a burgler come into my home when I had just woken up. When a burgler comes into your room and points a gun at your face because they know you're defenseless, you're going to wish you had had a gun in your house -- believe me.

Criminals will always be able to arm themselves, whether guns are illegal or not. All that you would accomplish by making guns illegal is disarming the law-obiding public and leaving it defenseless to the rapacious rape of delinquents. Although I wouldn't wish what happened to me on anyone else, I think that if even half of the pacifists who are for anti-gun laws had the same thing occure to them, there would be a lot less talk of banning guns as a whole.

EDIT: Geez what's with my spelling lately...

[gr8fuldaniel]

Did you guys see this?

Link School invite to first lady yanked '88 Hubbard Woods shooting cited BY JOHN P. KELLY STAFF WRITER Hubbard Woods School officials last week withdrew an invitation to first lady Laura Bush to spend 30 minutes reading to school children after meeting resistance from local Democrats and gun-control advocates. Invoking memories of a shooting rampage at the school 16 years ago, members of two gun-control lobby groups told the school's principal, Maureen Cheever, there was no place in the "sacred" halls of Hubbard Woods School for a representative of the Bush administration, which they argued has a lax stance on gun control.

[bugsbunny04]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, Did you guys see this? Link School invite to first lady yanked '88 Hubbard Woods shooting cited BY JOHN P. KELLY STAFF WRITER Hubbard Woods School officials last week withdrew an invitation to first lady Laura Bush to spend 30 minutes reading to school children after meeting resistance from local Democrats and gun-control advocates. Invoking memories of a shooting rampage at the school 16 years ago, members of two gun-control lobby groups told the school's principal, Maureen Cheever, there was no place in the "sacred" halls of Hubbard Woods School for a representative of the Bush administration, which they argued has a lax stance on gun control.

And Im sure these retards actually beleive that the 94' AWB could have prevented the massacre, assuming it had been passed before the shooting, or five years before the shooting, or whatever. Illinois already had far stricter gun control laws than even Clinton supported or signed while president.

[Technosoul]

Originally posted by bugsbunny04, The lowest crime rate in the country belongs to a Georgia town that REQUIRES everybody not restricted by the 68' Gun Control Act own a gun. The highest crime rate in the country belongs to Washington DC where NOBODY is allowed to have a gun but the gangstas dont seem to notice. Firearms are used about 2,000,000 times a year to PREVENT crime, and about 10,000 times a year by criminals. Nobody is crime free, but places where concealed carry has been legalized, muggings and rapes ALWAYS go down significantly. In places where guns are confiscated, home invasions ALWAYS go up significantly. What state or country is crime free because there people CANT bear arms? Dont you dare say North Korea. That place is so much like Orwell's Oceania its hard to tell the difference. Dont give me this crap about how I have not given you statistics and studies, I fucking gave them to you and you refused to fucking look at them. Go back and find the shit, and actually look at what I have given you, or quit whining about me not giving you anything. The video I linked earlier, John Lott's book "More Guns, Less Crime", Guncite.com, the CDC (though you will have to actually be able to read raw numbers, because they usually summarize them wrong), the FBI, all of these sources.

the key word was "crime free" and so my point stands. Not less crime, just because a gun stopped a crime in progress does not mean it prevented crime or reduced the amount of crime being attempted. And the stats you mentioned might not even be related to the gun laws of a state, it might be because a state has a better law enforcment department and a inhumane jail system. It could be because the poverity level is higher, etc. "Gun laws" for private use are not the main factors behind crime prevention or the lack there-of, many other more important factors are responsible.

[Technosoul]

As I mentioned the failure of good gun owners to be responsible has now led to the whole gun problem getting out of control and so criminals now have easy access to them. No telling how many billions of guns are floating around. It is nearly too late to do much about preventing criminals from getting guns nowadays even with the most aggressive gun control measure one could create.

The only logical choice is to educate the gun culture about their problems and why private guns are not the best answer.

Inserting Princess Blah into this gun debate from out-of-the-blue is not going to impress me much, I know all those old tricks.

If you wake up and someone with a gun is standing at your bed, and you make a move to pull your pistal out of the nightstand you would no doubt end up dead or injured in some way. In most case they will hit, get, and slit before you even get your gun out to use it (and most of the time they would steal it also with the other stuff).

I hear lots of stories about people who brag about running off a crook with a gun, as well as stories about people who wish they were holding a gun when confronted by a crook, but those myths have little to do with any of the reason "causes" behind our gun culture or for the high crime rate in America. Real security is not imaginary heroism, it is when you do not need guns.

Technosoul.

[Waychel]

Technosoul, I'd like to see you, "not need to use guns" when confronted by a burgler who points one at your face...

[Young]

Waychel - I have over 20 firearms......their like Family, some prolly a bit older than You.....Guns don't kill people, the index finger of a person moves and pulls the trigger, if Guns weren't in play, people would have other weapons which to use to harm someone. I Practice shooting once a week, skeet shooting is Great fun and we sometimes take rifles and handguns to practice firing at stationary targets. We take it very seriously. If everyone knew how to use a GUN, and carried a GUN in open view as a side arm, the world would have less crime because Death would be the cost of failed crimes.

[Technosoul]

Originally posted by Waychel, Technosoul, I'd like to see you, "not need to use guns" when confronted by a burgler who points one at your face...

Here on this weblink is another story about a girl who shot her molester, and the aftermath of that event. Check it out.

http://www.oprah.com/

You would need to mouse click that before they change the page for the next day's programing schedule.

Technosoul.

[Technosoul]

Originally posted by Young, Waychel - I have over 20 firearms......their like Family, some prolly a bit older than You.....Guns don't kill people, the index finger of a person moves and pulls the trigger, if Guns weren't in play, people would have other weapons which to use to harm someone. I Practice shooting once a week, skeet shooting is Great fun and we sometimes take rifles and handguns to practice firing at stationary targets. We take it very seriously. If everyone knew how to use a GUN, and carried a GUN in open view as a side arm, the world would have less crime because Death would be the cost of failed crimes.

Hey, that is the same rule of thumb used by the street gangs here in L.A.
Only sometimes they miss and kill innocent people, oh well, rules are rules.

Technosoul.

[Young]

Law abiding citizens don't join Gangs, and if more attn was paid to people creating easy access to weapons, Gangs would find it harder to get those weapons.

[bugsbunny04]

Originally posted by Technosoul, As I mentioned the failure of good gun owners to be responsible has now led to the whole gun problem getting out of control and so criminals now have easy access to them. No telling how many billions of guns are floating around. It is nearly too late to do much about preventing criminals from getting guns nowadays even with the most aggressive gun control measure one could create. The only logical choice is to educate the gun culture about their problems and why private guns are not the best answer. Inserting Princess Blah into this gun debate from out-of-the-blue is not going to impress me much, I know all those old tricks. If you wake up and someone with a gun is standing at your bed, and you make a move to pull your pistal out of the nightstand you would no doubt end up dead or injured in some way. In most case they will hit, get, and slit before you even get your gun out to use it (and most of the time they would steal it also with the other stuff). I hear lots of stories about people who brag about running off a crook with a gun, as well as stories about people who wish they were holding a gun when confronted by a crook, but those myths have little to do with any of the reason "causes" behind our gun culture or for the high crime rate in America. Real security is not imaginary heroism, it is when you do not need guns. Technosoul.

Okay, first of all, its not the gun owners failure o be responsible its the criminal's.

Second, it is always too late to keep criminals from getting guns. I will ONE LAST GOD DAMN MOTHER FUCKING TIME REFERENCE PA LUTY'S "EXPEDIENT HOMEMADE FIREARMS"! Any questions? You can make a SMG in your house out of plumbing materials. Also, the guns used in the 97' North Hollywood shootout were not legal for ANYBODY except for military and law enforcement. If you want to argue that point, fine, just do so at your own risk, because I know the f'n law.

Private guns are not the best answer? How do you figure. Oh wait, you figure that because there absence would mean I wouldnt be here to disillusion your ass.

Also, I seriously doubt someone is going to get past all my other measures so they are able to wake up me up with a gun in my face, unless they are like, SEALs or something like that, in which case they would out shoot me anyway. But thugs from the hood ae a far cry from elite Spec Warriors, so I dont have much to worry about. If somebody had tried that, they would have walked in the door to be met with an intense barrage of disciplined fire from an AK (not a pistol, an assault rifle with no less than 30 rounds, probably 75 after I buy a drum), and the only thing they would have gotten was a ride to the morgue at tax payer expense.

Myth's? click-click "Get the fuck off my property, asshole"

"Fuck, he got a god damn gun!"

engine revs, tires throw mud

That's not a Myth, thats fucking reality.

The only point I agree with you on: Security is when you dont need guns. Well, when the crime rate is absolutely zero, send me a PM and I'll take my AK to the local buy back. Until it is absolute zero, if you want my AK, I think you should come and get it yourself. [i]thump, cla-clack[i] Oh wait, you have a better plan, send guys with machine guns to do that for you. They can come and get them too.

[bugsbunny04]

And another thing, I didnt "insert" Waychel into anything, I have no idea who she is.

[bugsbunny04]

Originally posted by Young, Law abiding citizens don't join Gangs, and if more attn was paid to people creating easy access to weapons, Gangs would find it harder to get those weapons.

Dude, they get a lot of their guns the same way they get the drugs they sell. Its not like these guys are buying these things legally. You cant stop criminals from getting guns anymore than you can stop me from getting beer. Is it easy? No, But I get it about 50% of the time I want it.

[Young]

Under 21 & armed with an AK.....7.62x39 will cruise right on thru ya foot if you get drunk and go to playin with that thang :)

[bugsbunny04]

Originally posted by Young, Under 21 & armed with an AK.....7.62x39 will cruise right on thru ya foot if you get drunk and go to playin with that thang :)

Contrary to popular beleif, most gun owners dont take a igloo next to their range bag when they go to the range. Its the ganstas that arent legal to own anyway that "crack a forty" before they "bust their nine".

Besides, It takes about three bottles of guiness, a six pack of Corona or domestic swill, or two shots of everclear or four shots of Evan Williams to render me intoxicated. That, is a benefit of being 6' 220 lbs and built like a truck. But I still wont go shooting if I have been drinking, and I dont carry if Im drinking more than half of any of the above.

[Young]

LOL

[Inquisitor]

And so let us look at England, Australia and New York state.

I happen to live in Australia, so I am happy to give you first hand account. In 1996 guns were confiscated ( bought back ) at the cost of $500,000,000 for which a special tax was levied. They only outlawed semi-automatic rifles and pump action shotguns. So the only rifle one can own in Australia is a bolt action rifle ( some with byonet lugs ). Handguns are so illegal that to get one requires a process about 2-3 years long ( joining a pistol club etc.) even then one cannot carry it or keep it loaded in his home ( must be stored in police approved safe separate from ammunition). Majority of population is so brainwashed that they think this a good idea. There are always adds on radio ( let's make our community safer and surrender firearms). Self defence in itself is illegal ( to carry a knife, any knife, there is 2 years imprisonment). A security guard who shot dead a robber ( after having her scull fractured with knuckle duster) was charged with murder.

Yet, criminals have no problem purchasing a gun, they ( guns) being smuggled in in sufficient numbers, the most popular one at the moment is Chinese made copy of Sig Sauer p226. They go for around $3000 and very easy to come accross. Gun crime is mostly limited to armed robberies and gangs ( lebanese) shotouts, robberies of money movers are very popular also ( there is a talk about prohibiting firearms to security guards).

No there are no concentration camps in Australia. But why would they put you in a concentration camp? They much prefer to collect 49.5% in tax plus 10% tax on everything you buy. Should they decide to put one in concentration camp, there is nothing to stop them. There is very little in Australia that resembles democracy, apart from elections and even then you MUST vote ( or you get fined).

The only real freedom is freedom to engage in any sexual perversion ( except paedophilia for now). Freedom of speach exists in theory, in practice any view which is not politically correct not tolerated at all. Founder of a political party that went against 2 major parties was jailed ( on some technical charge).

To sum it up, if not for decent climate and reasonable economy, one would not stay in this pederastic country for long.

Criminals will always be able to arm themselves, whether guns are illegal or not. All that you would accomplish by making guns illegal is disarming the law-obiding public and leaving it defenseless to the rapacious rape of delinquents. Although I wouldn't wish what happened to me on anyone else, I think that if even half of the pacifists who are for anti-gun laws had the same thing occure to them, there would be a lot less talk of banning guns as a whole.

I am not trying to put women down. Yet not often I see so much common sense coming from a woman ( which I hope you are )


Technosoul, move to Australia. You will like it here. It's full of mentally deficient, gutless people so you will fit right in.

To normal Americans - don't surrender your guns ever.

[Technosoul]

Even so you are basing your debate on useless information, crime will happen if you have guns in your house or don't have them in your house. Crimes are caused by poverty and as long as you got rich people next to poorer people crime will manifest. Also, you got the problem that humans have not evolved mentally as fast as the technoolgy has, the old cave man mentiality of survival of the fittist must be abandoned if we are going to live in an age of nuclear technology.

Better to arm the poor folks with a better education so they can get good jobs as CEOs and Lawyers so they can steal money legal like under the philosophy of capitalism.

Technosoul.