The Third Jihad: Radical Islam's Vision For America

[Robert Marsh II]

I bring this topic to the Volconvo front-burner in order to have this issue publicly debated.

Propaganda versus Truth is the debate.

The Third Jihad focuses on an FBI discovered secret document now being viewed by the public -- the manifesto for the American Muslim Brotherhood of Radical Islam, operating inside the United States to destroy Western civilization from within.

The Third Jihad: Radical Islam's Vision for America - 30-minute version

The Third Jihad: Radical Islam's Vision For America (Video) - Care2 News Network

There is a growing number of anti-radical Islamic groups forming inside the U.S., and this is for those interested in being made aware of what is going on around them :

Home | Fighting Radical Islam

Why Moderate Muslim Nations Should Be Supporting NATO Forces In Afghanistan

U.S. Mosques | Fighting Radical Islam

Islamism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are many people who actually believe we are at war inside Afghanistan and Iraq, and that someone flew some planes into the Pentagon and Twin Towers on September 11th, 2001.

Was this the end of the attack, or just the long-term beginning to a much longer and more patient chain of events yet to come???

======================

*Related C2NN Article:

The Coming of the 12th Imam: Islamic Harbinger of Apocalypse... - Care2 News Network

[The Black Ghost]

Pretty disgusting to see what some people will do for their "faith"--which in reality is just brainwashing and indoctrination via religious leaders vying for power. Who knows if the real leaders of Jihad really care about Islam at all or if they just want to keep having their servants bring them food every morning because they are "great leaders". To them, its their job to inspire war, because as long as there is war--they are powerful.

[Robert Marsh II]

'If' the United States Government had conclusive evidence, that a terrorist cyberwar attack was going to be unleashed upon New York City between October 16th thru October 31, 2009, and that it could successfully glaciate the entire grid network systems using DDOS (Denial of Service) ---

Would officials be ready and could they defend against this type of coordinated assault?

What 'if' Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Syria, Venezuela (Hugo Chavez), and Al Qaeda were assisting this coordinated effort? ----

Could the United States Government defend our rights as 'free' Americans to arrive, intact, the following day???

Preparing for Cyberwar - PC World

Ready.gov: Improve Cyber Security

Obama outlines cybersecurity plans, cites cyberspace threat - Network World

S.773: Cybersecurity Act of 2009 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress


> Would the U.S. Governments' current cybersecurity plans deprive Americans of the right to privacy???

YouTube - Cybersecurity Act of 2009: President Can Take Over Internet, Access Private Data

Cybersecurity Act of 2009: Power grab, or necessary step? - Information Security Magazine

> Can we 'have our cake and eat it too'?

===================

* Related Articles and Videos :

YouTube - The Third Jihad : Radical Islam's Vision for America -- Trailer -- Terror in their Own Words

YouTube - Glenn Beck: Islam Exposed (1 of 6)

Homeland Security News

Department of Homeland Security | Preserving our Freedoms, Protecting America

The New York Times > Log In

MILNET Brief: Issue Watch Archives

[Robert Marsh II]

FYI - This public debate and all the adjoining posts herein are being publicly displayed on the Care2 C2NN News Network.

This will expand media attention rapidly.

Healthy and rational public debate are needed here.

I thank everyone for their participation in advance of any additional comments! TY!!!

Is America Ready for the Next Terrorist Attack? - Care2 News Network

[Nono]

Quote by: RBII There are many people who actually believe we are at war inside Afghanistan and Iraq, and that someone flew some planes into the Pentagon and Twin Towers on September 11th, 2001.

Incredible!!!

[Nono]

Why Moderate Muslim Nations Should Be Supporting NATO Forces In Afghanistan
Gosh, the "Canadian Free Press". This is by contrast with the Canadian enslaved press, correct?

Robert, perhaps you would like to explain to us ---- very concretely please, with no purple rhetoric ---- exactly what NATO is trying to do in Afghanistan. I've been eager to know for years now.

[The Black Ghost]

Quote by: Nono Why Moderate Muslim Nations Should Be Supporting NATO Forces In Afghanistan Gosh, the "Canadian Free Press". This is by contrast with the Canadian enslaved press, correct? Robert, perhaps you would like to explain to us ---- very concretely please, with no purple rhetoric ---- exactly what NATO is trying to do in Afghanistan. I've been eager to know for years now.

-Kill the extremists and defeat the guerilla armies of the Taliban and other groups.
-Reinforce and support the government so that it can survive on its own.
-Build up the infrastructure of Afghanistan and get the people's support on the government's side.

[Robert Marsh II]

This all boils down to two choices:

#1. Either every single nation must just blindly accept being massively attacked and utimately dominated, including the moderate traditional Isamic clergy who denounce the radicals' misguided path ---

--- Or ---

#2. Take immediate full-scale action and face the possibility of igniting World War III/IV.

More intense action must be carefully taken!

The Russians have already learned that the only way to win a war in Afghanistan is by using underground-penetrating nuclear bunker-busters, because the enemy tunnel networks are endless!

Some tunnel networks cross borders into neighboring countries.

There are no alternatives to this 'no win scenario' battleground.

The U.S. military and coalition forces are attempting to dismantle these underground Taliban/Al Qaeda networks that are working on the 'next attack', and the others after that.

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Response to Robert Marsh II post #8

Surely you can come up with other solutions

No longer allowing entry of any muslim into your area

Tagging all who worship in a mosque

Chemically castrating all who practice Islam

None of these would fly. The kind of offencive propoganda you proport has no place in civil society and your arguments sned a chill down my spine.

Better to talk and listen too those whom cannot respect their neighbours, than destroy them.

[Robert Marsh II]

Say Whaaaat???

I personally support absolutely nothing contained within post #9 (by: Arawn-ap-Hywel)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am merely reporting current events for public debate in regard to the subject at hand.

However, any Radical Islamic terrorist who is actively pursuing a violent course of action should be hunted down and interrogated, then removed to prison.

Traditional Islam must be protected, and the traditional Islamic clergy must become inspired to fight the radical path chosen by their misguided brothers!

[Robert Marsh II]

The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 is currently pending before the United States Congress, and if signed into law it will add an unusual ability to the existing presidential powers of the highest office.

Cybersecurity emergencies can be declared to limit or stop all Internet traffic.

We might have to 'Crash Windows' in order to save our own infrastructure --- if someone doesn't maintain control over the manual override!

Should the US President have the power to turn off the internet? - Community - ComputerworldUK

Should the U.S. President Have the Power to Turn-Off the Int... - Care2 News Network

[Jack]

"Terrorist" is a tag we can hang on someone only after the fact. No one is a terrorist until after they've committed an act of terrorism. This makes any preemptive action taken against potential terrorists complicated, as it would require finding a person guilty of a crime not yet committed.

any Radical Islamic terrorist who is actively pursuing a violent course of action should be hunted down and interrogated, then removed to prison.

What specifically constitutes a "violent course of action" prior to an actual act of terrorism? Wouldn't the government's efforts to determine who are terrorists prior to them committing an act of terrorism be just as invasive and a possible violation of our rights as the government's intention to monitor internet traffic?

[Nono]

As I see it, Ghost and RMII have failed to answer my question in any meaningful way.

Quote by: Ghost -Kill the extremists and defeat the guerilla armies of the Taliban and other groups. -Reinforce and support the government so that it can survive on its own. -Build up the infrastructure of Afghanistan and get the people's support on the government's side.

What is the point of doing all this (even if you could), given the harm you're doing yourself in the process? What's your goal??

Quote by: RMII The U.S. military and coalition forces are attempting to dismantle these underground Taliban/Al Qaeda networks that are working on the 'next attack', and the others after that.

What has any of this got to do with Afghanistan? Complete answer please.

[Robert Marsh II]

Nono: This is the best explanation I can give, and needs to be incorporated with my previous post #8: >>>>

Afghanistan: Opium Trade Control ($$$)!

Taliban, Al Qaeda and various sub-insurgency groups had based their operations inside Afghanistan, in order to take control of the opium trade for financing insurgency operations worldwide.

Q: Why Afghanistan?

A: Opium control to finance global terrorism network.

Terrorism's Harvest - TIME

The U.S., NATO, and Coalition Forces had to stop this enemy from taking control of the Afghanistan government, and cut off its supply-line to opium trade financing revenue ($$$).

NATO - Topic: Afghanistan, NATO's role in

War in Afghanistan - CNN.com

Taliban leader boasts of eventual victory in Afghanistan - CNN.com

Taliban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Afghanistan, al Qaeda and the Taliban

The Washington Independent » Opium, al-Qaeda and the Helmand ‘Sideshow’

[Nono]

You don't have to sympathize with the Taliban or ignore the harm done by opium to wonder why it's so important to prevent them getting $$$ that you:

1) spread large-scale misery and death

2) whip up further worldwide hostility to yourself (à la Iraq)

3) spend $$$, and then more $$$, and then more...

4) get a bunch of your own people killed, maimed, permanently traumatized

5) help destabilize Pakistan

all to win a war that you --- like the Greeks, like the British, like the Russians, etc. before you ---- are doomed to lose.

No, RM, this doesn't convince me of a blessed thing.

[Robert Marsh II]

Any war waged in the Afghanistan mountains is automatically a 'Lost War' --- a 'no win scenario', because of the endless underground tunnel networks, and endless supply of money from opium trade!

That is exactly why the Taliban/Al Qaeda/Insurgency Forces chose Afghanistan as their base of operations ---

A Guaranteed Win!!!

[Robert Marsh II]

The FBI and other federal/local agencies are continuously keeping surveillance on multiple terrorist organizations operating inside the United States.

http://cryptome.org/fbi072303.htm

Since 2007 the media has shifted away from mainstream coverage concerning Radical Islam in general, Radical Islam inside the United States, and U.S. terror cells in general.

Then zip, nearly nothing!

U.S. Commander Sees Growing Terror Threat - CBS News

Except for an occasional article:

Three Men Arrested by FBI in NYC Terror Plot - ABC News

The current economic crisis cannot withstand too many more major terrorist attacks!

Also, because Americans cannot understand that there are two different Islam faiths (and other Muslim divisions) -- basically there is Traditional (good) Islam & Radical (bad) Islam, this caused the U.S. news media to play down internal terror cell activity --- to protect the economy and innocent civilians.

At War With Whom?: A short history of radical Islam :: Middle East Forum

Some Americans began to attack U.S. Mosques with random violence, and there is 'no' justice within that ignorance.

If this got out of hand, the United States could tear itself apart and enter another Civil War!

==============

The Housing-Market Bubble had already pre-existed, but the attacks on September 11, 2001 caused a financial chain-reaction through the markets of debentures and derivative contract bids.

This slowly cascaded into the current global financial crisis we experience today!

Now our only financial hope is to erect the 'Green Tech Alternative Energy & Futures Market" (New Bubble) to try to off-set the Housing Market collapse!

6 Ways Greenspan Caused the Current Economic Crisis | Currency Trading.net

Economic Impact of Terrorism -- A Review of the Economic Impact of Terrorism on September 11

[Nono]

You still have failed to explain in specific, practical terms what NATO (the US) is seeking to achieve in Afghanistan.

I've repeated the question several times, but hell, I'm patient.

[Robert Marsh II]

I can only report what the U.S./NATO forces contend that they are trying to achieve in Afghanistan.

By all media reported accounts:

The U.S./NATO forces are attempting to disrupt the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and various other insurgency enemy forces' plans to ---

1. Take over and control Afghanistan.

2. Finance a world domination campaign of radical Islam using the opium trade revenues.

3. To spread and take over Pakistan, thus gaining control over Pakistani nuclear weapons --- to use worldwide in their campaign of horror.

*(Note #1: Just as Hezbollah is attempting to overthrow Lebanon's government, and I believe this to be an interconnected and coordinated effort).

*(Note #2: The radical Islamic doctrine has been interpreted to 'not' only expect global chaos, but to create it, thus paving the way to a created Armageddon --- leading toward a systematic world domination by radical Islam!).

4. To rise up worldwide and dominate, kill, and/or enslave all who do not follow their doctrine.

*****

NATO/U.S. also has the main objective to capture or kill their main prophet: Osama bin Laden; President Barack Obama announced right after being elected, that he was going to personally hunt him down (using military forces).

NATO/U.S. forces intend to stop the Taliban/Al Qaeda force from achieving their goals listed as #'s 1-4 above.

*****

Other than this statement --- I do not have anymore knowledge as to their aspirations or other concealed motives!

[Charlatan]

Quote by: Robert Marsh II Any war waged in the Afghanistan mountains is automatically a 'Lost War' --- a 'no win scenario', because of the endless underground tunnel networks, and endless supply of money from opium trade! That is exactly why the Taliban/Al Qaeda/Insurgency Forces chose Afghanistan as their base of operations --- A Guaranteed Win!!!

Well, if they are hiding they need to get food in. To do that they need to buy en masse from somewhere, and that is suspect. To live underground means that you are constsntly demoralised, and then agitated.

Now with the network they are al conjoined, so you just got to find one entry point to take out the whole place. Find an entrance and use tactical supremecy to scourge it of all militants, like gassing each next cavern.

These tunnels can be found by using a eacth rattler, a device concieved from the earlier wars in Europe where they hi the ground and measure for cavern of cleared out - dug out - areas. These places will undoubtedly be close o rural settelments for supplies, as it is hard to traverse from town directly to underground areas, so there needs to be a half way point where they rest and go underground, where they store their vehicles or camels or whatever.

So this war is winnable, and if they do as I say it will be won quickly. All you need is a suspect.

Then there is subliminal interrogation, where they are invited to wacth a television and answer questions subliminally, revealing the exact location of terrorists and militants.

Then there is thermal imaging penetrating rock, simply look for thermal activity where it should not be then investigate.