3 Million illegal aliens to flood the U.S. this ye

[Zeebadee]

The U.S.’s borders, rather than become more secure since 9/11, have grown even more porous and the trend has accelerated in the past year. Based on a TIME investigation, it’s fair to estimate that the number of illegal aliens flooding into the U.S. this year will total 3 million, enough to fill 22,000 Boeing 737-700 airliners, or 60 flights every day. It will be the largest wave since 2001 and roughly triple the number of immigrants who will come to America by legal means, TIME reports in its cover story , "Who Left the Door Open?" (More)...

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash1.htm

I hate to post something from Drudge, but the Time acticle requires registration.

So what do the Bush groupies have to say about their hero's immigration policies? How much money and effort are we wasting on security in this country if anyone can simply walk across the border?

[tman_ndsu08]

Ah, more cheap labor. Let the economic boom begin!

[Scribbler1]

What would you expect? Bush already said he wants them to practically be citizens, just based on their ability to sneak in.

I sense the birth of a new term for cheap labor. INsourcing sounds about right.

[Compugasm]

A few days ago, I heard about some chinese guys smuggling people here on shipping containers.

A week ago I was talking to a mexican guy who just moved to San Diego. He came from the southeast part of California. He moved here, cause he said "All the mexicans are taking the jobs". Yeah, a mexican guy told me that. So, it isn't white people creating boogymen.

I just thought of something. As the border states become more depressed, people will migrate inland. Eventually you'll be hearing interior states making just as big a deal about this.

[Technosoul]

Welcome to occupied America.

One reason workers from south of the boarder are welcome is because they will really work, and are very good at really working, by working I mean doing hard work. Today I took our car to the carwash and the temperature was in the high 90s. Those guys were working hard and fast and "doing the job" right. I could not imagine trying to get a bunch of white Ameircans from the unemployment office to do that, they just would not have the mental or physical ability to work that hard and do an outstanding job. We have thousands of jobs like that most people born in the USA cannot handle unless the pay was about $30.00 an hour.

Another thing is they keep quite most of the time when it comes to complants, some jantitors (hotel workers) are trying to get unionized but most new arrivals could care less about unions, or even health care perks, their focus is on getting money to send home to their family, and avoiding deportation.

People have reported fears that terroists could enter the U.S. taking advantage of the underground transportation used by South Ameirca, Mexico, or Cuba to enter the USA. I think that might not be the case because those terroists would not want to go through the hassle, the dangers, or the hardships that our insourcing workers encounter. The terrorists want to get in easy like, and they are better able to take advantage of our system by pretending to be students or tourists. They would not hike 100 miles over hot deserts or frozen mountians to get in here, nor are they likely to attmept risking entry on a home-made raft over choppy waters, or by being locked into a hot shipping container.

We need a whole new perspective concerning this reality.

Technosoul.

[tman_ndsu08]

Bravo, Techno.

I have absolutely no problem giving menial jobs to these "illegal" workers or even shipping them over seas.

A worker is selling his services to an employer. If one worker will do the same work cheaper, then he should be the man for the job. There should be no minimum value for a job, only market value.

[Zeebadee]

You conveniently overlook the fact that by not paying a real living wage, or including benefits such as health insurance to these menial job takers, the people that hire them are being subsidized by the taxpayers. People with no ability to pay medical costs can still get treatment at any hospital emergency room, but that doesn't mean the treatment is free. It just means that the costs of such a visit are borne by others, in the form of inflated medical costs to insurance companies (causing high rates for coverage), taxpayers, and citizens that have some means of affording such care.

[tman_ndsu08]

There is a hospital in CO that won't see non-emergency patients unless they have insurance.

I suspect that this will be the working model in all private hospitals (that would be all hospitals soon) in America.

[Dieval]

Personally, I'd like to see all the illegals deported, the welfare recipients, homeless bums, and others who are not working given all the menial jobs that no one else wants(and the illegals do) and we wouldn't have any more problems.

[Zeebadee]

Originally posted by tman_ndsu08, There is a hospital in CO that won't see non-emergency patients unless they have insurance. I suspect that this will be the working model in all private hospitals (that would be all hospitals soon) in America.

The law in California is that everyone has to be treated, regardless of ability to pay or legal resident status. Most emergency rooms in California are swamped by people who use them for primary care facilities.

[Technosoul]

Originally posted by Zeebadee,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Zeebadee,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-tman_ndsu08, There is a hospital in CO that won't see non-emergency patients unless they have insurance. I suspect that this will be the working model in all private hospitals (that would be all hospitals soon) in America.

The law in California is that everyone has to be treated, regardless of ability to pay or legal resident status. Most emergency rooms in California are swamped by people who use them for primary care facilities.[/b][/quote]


Correcting me if I'm wrong but many hostpitals in California have gone bankrupt and are closing their doors, others are closing their emergency rooms. The reason is too many people have no way of paying the bills.

[tman_ndsu08]

Originally posted by Zeebadee,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Zeebadee,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-tman_ndsu08, There is a hospital in CO that won't see non-emergency patients unless they have insurance. I suspect that this will be the working model in all private hospitals (that would be all hospitals soon) in America.

The law in California is that everyone has to be treated, regardless of ability to pay or legal resident status. Most emergency rooms in California are swamped by people who use them for primary care facilities.[/b][/quote]

Public hospitals, perhaps.

A private hospital doesn't have to treat anyone. Besides, you lose massive amounts of money treating people without insurence.

[Compugasm]

Originally posted by Technosoul, The reason is too many people have no way of paying the bills.

You can't make them pay, that's racist! (Just kidding, but I have heard that argument).

[Zeebadee]

Originally posted by tman_ndsu08,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tman_ndsu08,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Zeebadee,@ <!--QuoteBegin-tman_ndsu08, There is a hospital in CO that won't see non-emergency patients unless they have insurance. I suspect that this will be the working model in all private hospitals (that would be all hospitals soon) in America. The law in California is that everyone has to be treated, regardless of ability to pay or legal resident status. Most emergency rooms in California are swamped by people who use them for primary care facilities.

Public hospitals, perhaps.

A private hospital doesn't have to treat anyone. Besides, you lose massive amounts of money treating people without insurence.[/b][/quote]

A summary of patient rights in California:


* You have the right to receive emergency care at any licensed facility with an emergency room.
* You have the right to be treated until your emergency medical condition is stabilized when you go to a hospital emergency room.
* You have the right be informed by the hospital of your right to receive emergency services, without regard to your ability to pay, prior to being transferred or discharged.
* You have a right not to be transferred from an emergency care facility against your will.

So private hospitals are not exempt if they have an emergency room.

[tman_ndsu08]

Well I definately wouldn't be building a hospital in CA. Or I would simply not build an emergency room on it. Perhaps that will be the trend until all the emergency room hospitals go bankrupt and only the clinics are left.

What I said about CO is true though, they won't see non-emergency patients without insurance. That's the way it should be. If you have an emergency, fine, they'll see you. But don't come in with a non-emergency or they'll throw you out.

[kharmajunkie]

Originally posted by Dieval, Personally, I'd like to see all the illegals deported, the welfare recipients, homeless bums, and others who are not working given all the menial jobs that no one else wants(and the illegals do) and we wouldn't have any more problems.

What makes you think they want those jobs? They're already either on welfare or
homeless so those job opportunities were already passed up by them. You can't force people to do a job and many of them wouldn't be able to anyway for various
physical, emotional and mental handicaps.

[tman_ndsu08]

A menial job is better than no job. Unless you hate money.

[gr8fuldaniel]

According to this Link, Mexico is encouraging immigration to America because they are sending 11 Billion dollars annually back to Mexico. We pay them to manufacture babies.

More links Here

[Technosoul]

Originally posted by tman_ndsu08, Bravo, Techno. I have absolutely no problem giving menial jobs to these "illegal" workers or even shipping them over seas. A worker is selling his services to an employer. If one worker will do the same work cheaper, then he should be the man for the job. There should be no minimum value for a job, only market value.

Before you clap too loudly go read my new post "who owns the money". I will prepare for your booing.

My observaton is that we are moving into an new era of "cooperative socialism" which is discribed as follows.

Instead of the government taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor the cooperations are taking jobs from the middle class and giving them to the poor. It is still the Robin Hood idea (the movie version of Robin Hood).
It is still robbing one class to help another class. If you take jobs from rich America and give them to poor 3rd world countries (where they can live on less income) it is still highway robbery, and a form of socialism in the name of capitolism (spreading the wealth out goblally relative to jobs).

In the long term the middle class American will have to compete and work for 50 cents and hour and so products would have to sell for much less and the rich people who own the production companies would be the ones with a few thousand dollars instead of having millions. That balance is not swift or overnight, and so meanwhile the USA working class would have trouble adjusting because our "cost of living" is still higher, and many also would have to sneak into Mexico to get a factory job making cars.

So clap all you want right now for this new trend towards "job market socialism" but while you do so try to answer this quiz "what is the sound of one hand clapping"?

Technosoul.

[prettyredhead]

This country makes it so they must come here. We are one giant tit to be drawn from. Yes, I hate my country now.
Standing offer, four tickets to Europe or Canada. Anyone want to send me some? I never want to smell another corn tortilla as long as I live.
For real.