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    U.S. Senate says Rice OK'd CIA waterboarding

    CTV.ca | U.S. Senate says Rice OK'd CIA waterboarding

    WASHINGTON -- Former U.S. national security adviser Condoleezza Rice verbally OK'd the CIA's request to subject alleged al Qaeda terrorist Abu Zubaydah to waterboarding in July 2002, a decision memorialized a few days later in a secret memo that President Barack Obama's administration declassified last week.

    Rice's role was detailed in a narrative released Wednesday by the U.S. Senate intelligence committee. It provides the most detailed timeline yet for how the CIA's harsh interrogation program was conceived and approved at the highest levels in former president George W. Bush's White House.

    The new timeline shows Rice played a greater role than she admitted last fall in written testimony to the Senate armed services committee.

    The narrative also shows dissenting legal views about the severe interrogation methods were brushed aside repeatedly.

    But even the new timeline has yet to resolve the central question of who inside the Bush administration first broached the idea of using waterboarding and other brutal tactics against detainees in the months after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.

    The intelligence committee's timeline comes a day after the armed services committee released an exhaustive report detailing direct links between the CIA's harsh interrogation program and abuses of prisoners at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in Afghanistan and at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.

    Both revelations follow Obama's release of internal Bush administration legal memos that justified the use of severe methods by the CIA, a move that kicked up a firestorm from opposing sides of the ideological spectrum.

    A spokesman for Rice declined comment when reached Wednesday.

    Days after Rice gave Tenet the nod, the U.S. Justice Department approved the use of waterboarding in a top secret Aug. 1 memo. Zubaydah was subjected to waterboarding at least 83 times in August 2002........... (continues)
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    They should be tortured!

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    rice should be waterboarded for doing it to others. thats just SICK.

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    me too. Rice is nasty.


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    me too. Rice is nasty.
    It's good with soy sauce. Seriously, though, I'm not at all surprised by this.

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    So, when do these people responsible get arrested? I'd like to make sure I book a ticket to see the whole thing live.


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    Quote Quote by: Praxius View Post
    So, when do these people responsible get arrested?
    I'd like to make sure I book a ticket to
    see the whole thing live.
    The problem is, arrests aren't going to stop such things from happening. If we keep voting them into power, or let them get into power by any other means -- they'll keep doing what they do best.

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    Quote Quote by: grandpa View Post
    The problem is, arrests aren't going to stop such things from happening. If we keep voting them into power, or let them get into power by any other means -- they'll keep doing what they do best.

    Grandpa h.
    It sounds good in theory, but in reality, what methods can be put into place to ensure this doesn't occur again?


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    Such propaganda! It isn't about water boarding, they are sodomizing people with objects dipped in battery acid and beating them to death. They reduce intense torture simply to water boarding like they reduced the stolen elections to hanging chads.


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    Quote Quote by: Disinformant View Post
    Such propaganda! It isn't about water boarding, they are sodomizing people with objects dipped in battery acid and beating them to death. They reduce intense torture simply to water boarding like they reduced the stolen elections to hanging chads.
    While I agree with your view, the only thing that has been "Confirmed" in regards to torture, for the most part, has been the waterboarding.

    But continually revolving the whole subject around just waterboarding is a type of propaganda, as some still don't think it's considered torture, so it's like the lesser of the other evils they commited, sorta downplaying everything else.


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    NO! The sodomizing HAS BEEN CONFIRMED!!!!!
    I have seriously linked the document several times. The Military Police Report on Abu Ghraib entitled Taguba:
    Taguba Report: Iraq Prisoner Abuse Investigation of the U.S. 800th Military Police Brigade


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    Quote Quote by: Disinformant View Post
    NO! The sodomizing HAS BEEN CONFIRMED!!!!!
    I have seriously linked the document several times. The Military Police Report on Abu Ghraib entitled Taguba:
    Taguba Report: Iraq Prisoner Abuse Investigation of the U.S. 800th Military Police Brigade
    Well what I meant more so, was towards connections of approval of waterboarding.... while I know these things occured, like with a few Canadian citizens who ended up going through them, one is still in Cuba today..... in regards to legal responsibility and commands being passed down, etc..... this is at least proof that Rice at least gave the ok for this torture.... there's a name pinned to a decision/action.

    I would seriously love to see the people who ok'd all of these tactics get fried real good.... but I'd like to get all the evidence and information collected completely and properly so that we can nail these bas'taches to the wall and make examples out of them...... and they stick.


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    according to our own military's interrogation manual, things like waterboarding are meant to coerce a confession. Why would aspiring myrtrs need coerced? Because the people who prescribed the action need to back their story up.


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